Stick your jabs right up there, Im not playing anymore!

a reply to: chr0naut

This is a reasonable explanation.

So even the polar extremes can fine some common ground, apparently.

a reply to: zosimov

Thank you, I wish you and your family the best as well

fun fact:

delta + omicron = anagram: media control

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shaemac
Why get jabbed at all? Let your natural immunity fight off any virus like your body was designed to do.

But the virus kills almost two out of every 100 that get it. That's just bad advice if there is an alternative.

We need extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim. What have you got but crickets for us?

In the USA, there have been 52,369,599 total cases. Of those cases, 816,819 have died with COVID-19 as cause of death. So, the case-fatality ratio is (816,819 / 52,369,599) x 100 = 1.5597 %, but this is only in the USA. The CFR for all cases in the world is 1.9248 %, or nearly two deaths out of every hundred.

COVID-19 Dashboard
by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

a reply to: chr0naut

Weren't you calling out the US's higher than average death rate?

Not to mention thousands or millions of cases have gone undetected or unreported. Those numbers are off.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shaemac
Why get jabbed at all? Let your natural immunity fight off any virus like your body was designed to do.

But the virus kills almost two out of every 100 that get it. That's just bad advice if there is an alternative.

In the US, you are correct that the Case Mortality Rate is about 1.6%. However you have to keep in mind the difference between an "infection" and a "case". A case results from someone getting an infection and having that infection progress to the point of seriousness (low blood oxygen, pneumonia, etc.) where they show up to a doctor's office or emergency room and seek medical care. As soon as they are diagnosed and come under the care of a physician, they are a "case" and the case is tracked in the medical records system until it is resolved (recovered or died).

It has been known from the very beginning of the pandemic that not every infection results in a case. Many people get mild or no symptoms and do not even know they are infected. Some people get serious symptoms, but don't go and see doctors when they get sick so they tough it out at home and either die or recover on their own. I have seen estimates that only 1 in 3 Covid infections results in a reported case. This would mean that the Infection Mortality Rate in the US is about 0.5%.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

RNA is a vital part of our normal biology. An allergy to mRNA itself would evidence itself as a severe and probably fatal autoimmune disease.

However, there are other things like some lipids and adjuvants in the various vaccines. These things could have allergic reactions. The thing is, that the Novovax probably has them, too. Novovax definitely contains a turpine-glycloside adjuvant.

Also Novovax instead of carrying the relatively well tolerated mRNA, actually carries a lipid wrapped nanoparticle of 14 copies of the spike protein molecule. So, if your allergies are to the lipid coat, it is similar to mRNA vaccines and is just as likely to trigger a reaction.

The only real way to know is to test is using a proper allergic reaction panel. You can't just guess these things. I suspect that your health professional wants you to get a proper test done to determine if you are allergic.

If you also have an allergy to the Novovax vaccine, it could save your life, and you could be one of those people who should be granted exemption from vaccination on clinically proven medical grounds.

I'm aware that I could be allergic to the Novavax as well since I don't know for sure which ingredients are harmful for me. With some meds it's only injections, but not pills, so it could be even a preservative for all I know. Other meds it's both. There is also alcohol and sulfates (to name a few) My last reaction was early 2019 and after that we started the procedure of getting tested in an ICU, but then covid happened and now they have endless waiting lists + there is the cost of it, which I have to cover myself.
My doctors didn't support my decision of getting tested because they feel that we can just avoid certain meds and try new ones.
recent example, I had reactions to several brands of nsaid's, but last months I was prescribed a new brand and they didn't see harm in trying it out, at home, by myself. Needless to say the bottle remains unopened... For them it is 'just' an allergic reaction, for me it is traumatic every time it happens.
I will get tested eventually...


Anyway, I was willing to take the risk with novavax, because there is no polysorbate in it, which is probably one of the things that caused some of my reactions in the past.
The fact that they would have me try the mrna first... for some it's logic, for me it's suspicious...

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: chr0naut

So far in my family of four, only the two who are vaccinated have tested positive for covid. My youngest and I have no symptoms. I'll keep everyone updated so we can at least get some real life data regarding the efficacy of the vaccine.

Though of course some won't believe me, others who have only wanted unmanipulated data might appreciate it.

Of course, if I suddenly get sick or take a turn for the worse than I'll also let everyone know. No need for me to lie, what I want more than anything is the wellbeing of humanity. Not to be right, but to be helpful.

ETA: I remember you associated illness with uncleanliness; I can assure you that my ocd husband who wears masks everywhere and cleans doorknobs with lysol and washes his hands religiously did not get sick due to negligence.

I did not wish to impugn anyone, yet it has been established that if we don't actively and constantly make the effort to reduce the ever-present pathogens on and around us, they will spread, and it doesn't take much of a lapse to undo all our good work, too.

Consider that even with all that 'ocd' cleanliness, someone else can sneeze in the same room and fill the air with infectious particles. Cleanliness goes beyond just a personal responsibility, but must also be the goal of everyone.

There is a physical chain of events that lead to the spread of pathogenic diseases. Every attempt to disrupt that chain reduces the likelihood of a disease spreading.

Also, in your family where two have not spread the disease to others, it probably shows the effectiveness of that 'ocd' level of cleanliness!

In New Zealand, in the initial two outbreaks, before the vaccines were available, the community cases of COVID-19 were eliminated entirely by lockdowns, quarantine, epidemiological tracing, social distancing, hand sanitization, and masks. This happened twice and are proof that those methods work when adhered to.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

It sounds as though they require a doctor's recommendation to be put on the Novavax wait list. With your record of allergies, that shouldn't be so hard to get, so long as you have a doctor. Do you have a doctor?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shaemac
Why get jabbed at all? Let your natural immunity fight off any virus like your body was designed to do.

But the virus kills almost two out of every 100 that get it. That's just bad advice if there is an alternative.

The Omicron variant is doing all that? When did this change?

The Omicron variant was first identified on 24 November 2021. It is currently 28 December 2021. Do you believe that the Omicron variant has suddenly replaced all other variants across the planet, in less than a month?

No wonder you say the stuff you do!

a reply to: chr0naut

Listen to you setting all those hoops up for everyone to jump through.

Yeah, nah... I'm not going to dance for the organ grinders. All of you who capitulate, can stay home if you so wish.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
I have a doctor, doctors. Notes from them are not enough.
Covid guidelines say that they need to refer me to an allergy specialist,
allergy specialists have long waiting lists, and ICU beds for testing are hardly available now.
their covid guidelines say that they need to provide proof for allergy by ... provoking the allergy
meaning, giving me one of the mrna jabs...
like I said in my OP

also, of of my docs told me that she thinks that the risks with an allergic reaction are less then the risk of getting covid.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Didn't you need an Aids test for a license too?

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Didn't you need an Aids test for a license too?

eh.. what?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shaemac
Why get jabbed at all? Let your natural immunity fight off any virus like your body was designed to do.

But the virus kills almost two out of every 100 that get it. That's just bad advice if there is an alternative.

The Omicron variant is doing all that? When did this change?

The Omicron variant was first identified on 24 November 2021. It is currently 28 December 2021. Do you believe that the Omicron variant has suddenly replaced all other variants across the planet, in less than a month?

No wonder you say the stuff you do!

www.nbcnews.com...

Omicron variant accounts for 73 percent of new Covid cases in U.S.
The first omicron-related death in the United States was reported Monday in Texas.

You must be one of those who feels math is raycist.

But we did have one death, so it's deadly.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: chr0naut

Weren't you calling out the US's higher than average death rate?

Not to mention thousands or millions of cases have gone undetected or unreported. Those numbers are off.

No, the CFR for the USA is lower than very many countries, especially with new treatment protocols such as monoclonal antibodies, antivirals, and vaccinations.

What is the greatest number, and almost greatest per capita numbers in the world, are of those infected, and those dead from COVID-19 in the USA.

However, CFR does also relate to the number of active cases, which relates to the rate of spread and initial outbreak numbers. Here in New Zealand, where the number of cases has been kept low, the CFR is 0.3597 %.

It is anathema that the USA, with its technological and scientific capability, should be so far from the most optimal figures?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shaemac
Why get jabbed at all? Let your natural immunity fight off any virus like your body was designed to do.

But the virus kills almost two out of every 100 that get it. That's just bad advice if there is an alternative.

The Omicron variant is doing all that? When did this change?

The Omicron variant was first identified on 24 November 2021. It is currently 28 December 2021. Do you believe that the Omicron variant has suddenly replaced all other variants across the planet, in less than a month?

No wonder you say the stuff you do!

www.nbcnews.com...

Omicron variant accounts for 73 percent of new Covid cases in U.S.
The first omicron-related death in the United States was reported Monday in Texas.

You must be one of those who feels math is raycist.

But we did have one death, so it's deadly.

So far from the point as to be almost comic.

The incubation period of the virus is about 11.5 days. So, for the first half of the month, the Omicron virus would have been spreading with almost no-one reporting symptoms.

The Incubation Period of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) From Publicly Reported Confirmed Cases: Estimation and Application - Annals of Internal Medicine

For Omicron to have reached such a population in the time-frame, indicates the absolute failure of the USA to have had any effect on the spread of a disease. It's nothing to be proud of.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: chr0naut

Weren't you calling out the US's higher than average death rate?

Not to mention thousands or millions of cases have gone undetected or unreported. Those numbers are off.

Other countries also have reporting issues.

However, the worst cases get hospitalized, and from those worst cases, come the deaths. So I think the truth of those numbers are fairly unarguable and accurate.

To estimate with numbers that we cannot have any level of hard evidence of, and to hold those guesses above the hard measurables, is just intellectually fraudulent.

a reply to: chr0naut

so the report of 73% of new cases being Omicron is wrong?

originally posted by: chr0naut


For Omicron to have reached such a population in the time-frame, indicates the absolute failure of the USA to have had any effect on the spread of a disease. It's nothing to be proud of.

This is so derpy it's frightening.

I'm sofaking far from proud of how my government has handled this virus it's beyond funny. But the report I linked is factual. So you can join in on calling Fauci a [snip]face.

It seems all the idiots still think the vaccine that was made for the Alpha Variant is the answer to this new one. The one that is very mild. The one that has killed one person in the US so far with a 73% hold on the current cases.

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