Rolling Stone: Trump’s White House passed around a presentation on how to end American democracy

originally posted by: MDDoxs
What if Obama had done this to stay in power because he felt like he deserved another term. Would you be alright with it?

There's a distinct and obvious difference between a president trying to stay in office after his two terms are finished and a president trying to stay in office a second term following an election which had multiple irregularities and accusations of voter fraud implying one political party was deeply invested in stealing the election (and ultimately succeeded thanks purely to the fact that it is easier for most of the country to continue lying to themselves that America's Democracy is not corrupted and rigged than it is to acknowledge the fact that there is an establishment which largely decides who our leaders will be for us.)

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: MDDoxs
What if Obama had done this to stay in power because he felt like he deserved another term. Would you be alright with it?

There's a distinct and obvious difference between a president trying to stay in office after his two terms are finished and a president trying to stay in office a second term following an election which had multiple irregularities and accusations of voter fraud implying one political party was deeply invested in stealing the election (and ultimately succeeded thanks purely to the fact that it is easier for most of the country to continue lying to themselves that America's Democracy is not corrupted and rigged than it is to acknowledge the fact that there is an establishment which largely decides who our leaders will be for us.)

So if I understand you correctly….

Because Trump WANTED a second term and FELT cheated out of it, And he BELIEVES there were significant enough of irregularities that resulted him not winning the electoral colleague……it justifies his administrations to planning an insurrection, AND!, potentially collaborating with organized third parties that would have forced his hand to declare a state of emergency and maintain his grip on power.

Wow… No….I can’t agree that this in any way justifies their actions.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tanstaafl

Does it include nuclear weapons?

Does the average soldier in the military walk around with nuclear weapons?

OK. Another poster that needs to lighten up?

Did you miss the smiley faces?

a reply to: MDDoxs

No one planned an insurrection. Again, please explain how a sitting administration could start an insurrection against themselves?????

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: MDDoxs

No one planned an insurrection. Again, please explain how a sitting administration could start an insurrection against themselves?????

Are you serious?

a reply to: MDDoxs

No, not what I was saying. I was referencing you speaking from your ass and trying to compare this to Republican reaction to a scenario in which Obama had tried to delay an election to stay in power. It's apples and oranges because there is NO mechanism by which a 2 term POTUS can Constitutionally remain in office for a third term. Newsflash, Trump was far, FAR from the only individual who felt he was cheated out of his contiguous second term... I personally believe a hell of a lot of Democrats even FELT he was cheated, or there wouldn't have been the huge backlash and repulsion by them against any and every attempt to ensure the results were accurate and just. Let's face a simple fact, the vast majority of Americans FELT that election was questionable, that vast majority was comprised of two minorities:
1. Conservatives who believe Biden's presidency represents a fraudulent election
2. Liberals and Establishment folks who wanted Trump out at any cost and were terrified that their manipulation and fraud at the polls would be exposed and the results somehow negated.

I'm sure there was some percentage of Americans who believed the election was fair and above the table, but embracing the result and being scared #less that it would get overturned in a challenge is not the same as believing it was a fair election.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MDDoxs

No, not what I was saying. I was referencing you speaking from your ass and trying to compare this to Republican reaction to a scenario in which Obama had tried to delay an election to stay in power. It's apples and oranges because there is NO mechanism by which a 2 term POTUS can Constitutionally remain in office for a third term. Newsflash, Trump was far, FAR from the only individual who felt he was cheated out of his contiguous second term... I personally believe a hell of a lot of Democrats even FELT he was cheated, or there wouldn't have been the huge backlash and repulsion by them against any and every attempt to ensure the results were accurate and just. Let's face a simple fact, the vast majority of Americans FELT that election was questionable, that vast majority was comprised of two minorities:
1. Conservatives who believe Biden's presidency represents a fraudulent election
2. Liberals and Establishment folks who wanted Trump out at any cost and were terrified that their manipulation and fraud at the polls would be exposed and the results somehow negated.

I'm sure there was some percentage of Americans who believed the election was fair and above the table, but embracing the result and being scared #less that it would get overturned in a challenge is not the same as believing it was a fair election.

Oh. Is it going to be overturned then?

Asking for a friend.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MDDoxs

No, not what I was saying. I was referencing you speaking from your ass and trying to compare this to Republican reaction to a scenario in which Obama had tried to delay an election to stay in power. It's apples and oranges because there is NO mechanism by which a 2 term POTUS can Constitutionally remain in office for a third term. Newsflash, Trump was far, FAR from the only individual who felt he was cheated out of his contiguous second term... I personally believe a hell of a lot of Democrats even FELT he was cheated, or there wouldn't have been the huge backlash and repulsion by them against any and every attempt to ensure the results were accurate and just. Let's face a simple fact, the vast majority of Americans FELT that election was questionable, that vast majority was comprised of two minorities:
1. Conservatives who believe Biden's presidency represents a fraudulent election
2. Liberals and Establishment folks who wanted Trump out at any cost and were terrified that their manipulation and fraud at the polls would be exposed and the results somehow negated.

I'm sure there was some percentage of Americans who believed the election was fair and above the table, but embracing the result and being scared #less that it would get overturned in a challenge is not the same as believing it was a fair election.

Oh. Is it going to be overturned then?

Asking for a friend.

Where did your mind get that from ? 🤣🚬

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes. I am. Dead Serious.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MDDoxs

No, not what I was saying. I was referencing you speaking from your ass and trying to compare this to Republican reaction to a scenario in which Obama had tried to delay an election to stay in power. It's apples and oranges because there is NO mechanism by which a 2 term POTUS can Constitutionally remain in office for a third term. Newsflash, Trump was far, FAR from the only individual who felt he was cheated out of his contiguous second term... I personally believe a hell of a lot of Democrats even FELT he was cheated, or there wouldn't have been the huge backlash and repulsion by them against any and every attempt to ensure the results were accurate and just. Let's face a simple fact, the vast majority of Americans FELT that election was questionable, that vast majority was comprised of two minorities:
1. Conservatives who believe Biden's presidency represents a fraudulent election
2. Liberals and Establishment folks who wanted Trump out at any cost and were terrified that their manipulation and fraud at the polls would be exposed and the results somehow negated.

I'm sure there was some percentage of Americans who believed the election was fair and above the table, but embracing the result and being scared #less that it would get overturned in a challenge is not the same as believing it was a fair election.

Oh. Is it going to be overturned then?

Asking for a friend.

Where did your mind get that from ? 🤣🚬

"Im sure there was some percentage of Americans who believed the election was fair and above the table, but embracing the result and being scared #less that it would get overturned in a challenge is not the same as believing it was a fair election."

From that, obviously?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

🥳️🤣a real stretch & twist

No Wonder

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Lighten up, fella.....

I understood your snarky remark, but its basically the main argument of the left of if an AR why not a nuke, and if not a nuke then also not an AR....lol

Liberal logic at its finest.

a reply to: MDDoxs

I dont really like Trump. But the apparent lack of concern about the prior election s integrity is VERY concerning to me as a voter.

Id bet no amount of "big lie" gaslighting will change many minds on that. The dems will lose fair and square....if they don't rig another election.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Your friend is an absolute moron...

*shrugs* which is worse... a plan to disrupt/destroy democracy, or actively working to transform a democracy to "democratic socialism".

a reply to: MDDoxs

Hardly bipartisan. The committee is stacked with Democrats and RINOs.

originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: MDDoxs

I think you have a very deep seeded affection for Donald Trump.

You shouldn't keep so much love bottled up inside.

Let your love flow.

I envy Trump for sure. He has done a far better job trolling people than I. You could say he is my hero.

Do you like anything about biden?


Are you unaware that Rolling Stoners have a WELL EARNED reputation for publishing 100% complete hoaxes in efforts to assist democrat politicians?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

The "rioters" were already at the Capitol while Trump was giving his speech.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MDDoxs

What you are observing is the blind, frothing fervor of someone who has become a zealot of a personality cult.

Holy crap, the man lives in your head still, and you talk about "blind, frothing fervor"...lol look in the mirror my friend. Also, no Trump wasn't the best President, has a ton of flaws we all know about, but holy crap, whatever Trump has Biden is 10 times worst without anything good to offset as Trump had.

Trump is gone, so maybe you and others need to look at the person now in the WH.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Should something like the OP's topic just be ignored?

When it comes from the likes of rolling stoner, yes.

Only a half peg above an onion article.


When it comes from the same democrat party that gave us 5 years and counting on a completely fabricated russia hoax, yes.

When it comes from a committee run by the same woman who scampeached a president over a completely fabricated rumor of a phone call, yes.


When it is proudly posted by users well known for their dishonesty on behalf of the democrat party, yes.

When it is loudly promoted by well known political trolls, yes.


That has the good guys winning 5-0.

What deceptive nonsense were you spouting again?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Your friend is an absolute moron...

And as fictional as this Rolling Stoner report.

And the democrat's russia hoax.

And the democrat's ukraine phone call rumor.

And democrat jussie's lynching hoax.

And that joe got anywhere near 81 million legitimate votes.