Is America at the brink of collapsing

I think it depends on what kind of collapse you are referring to.

I believe an economic collapse is not an if but rather a when. It is going to happen. Our current economy is basically a giant ponzi scheme that can not be maintained indefinitely. You simply cannot solve a credit problem with more credit. It is perpetually propped up by pumping money into the system but that has an obvious end. One of the final steps is massive inflation.

Society is far nearer the brink than most other constructs. We have been trending toward divergence far longer and to much greater degree than convergence. A nation divided can not stand. Having a difference of opinion has never been so threatening before. I believe this is due to the concept that the "beliefs" of many are so fragile and unnatural the people who hold those beliefs need constant reassuring from numbers rather than facts. When some people look at the beliefs they are espousing the only way they can rationalize the inherent guilt that accompanies those beliefs is by sharing that guilt with others. It is a group-think method of coping with individual responsibility that would be otherwise too great to bear. Instead of taking the spot light and saying, "I did this," they prefer to hide in the crowd and whisper, "They did this." If you need an example, try to find 81 million people who voted for biden. Or try finding 81 for that matter.

Any collapse will likely trigger another and another. Personally, I believe the keystone event will be the disenfranchisement of half of this nation by a totalitarian usurpation of rights and redress. In effect, nullification of the
Constitution of the United States of American.

a reply to: musicismagic

The sad part is there is a wind of change with-in the Military me and some others have quietly been discussing the change. Way back in the late 90's when I joined the military was for the most part apolitical and stayed that way. Now days you can see it creeping in with the change to a more business like model. We are becoming mentally weak with-in the ranks. When the time comes for us to have to actually go back to war is going to be very scary cause right now it would not end well for us.

Well the justice system and our moral compass are certainly on the brink. We have a felon that raped children, little boys and was chasing another boy when he was justly taken out. The media is falling all over themselves calling the child rapist a victim.

Once the mob can dictate trial outcomes through fear and intimidation, (And it looks like they are) it is over. Once real men send a boy like Rittenhouse to do their job and then scream from the roof tops for law and order when the obvious happens, it is over.

The only question left is will the country go quietly into the night or will we take to the streets and beat back the people that hate this country and everything it stands for? That includes the media that are much, much worse than Goebbels ever was.

originally posted by: GeechQuestInfo


If your social security is $11 grand and you were reliant on that to get by inflation could be 0% and you’re still screwed.

Keep in mind this forum is filled with conservative seniors who aren't financially savvy.

a reply to: MDDoxs

The computational cost for signing the votes would be far less than our current system. With many independent nodes it would keep the ledger reliable and secure. I’m sure the federal government would cover the cost for a reliable and secure voting platform

The total supply would be available immediately so no additional mining would be required. All the nodes would do is verify the transactions.

This wouldn’t be a blockchain for generating profit, simply for a reliable public ledger of each ‘transaction’ with each candidate having a locked public address. That way voters could check after the election to confirm their vote was correct and counted.

I’m not suggested a crypto currency, merely using blockchain technology for voting registration and logging.

Could actually be a decent little business opportunity setting up cryptovote.com. Could be used for all sorts of applications.

America is on the brink because the Public keeps hearing the BBB and the Infrastructure Plans are paid for, yet we need a report from the CBO to find out what the Plans will cost 🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: MDDoxs

A military coup will not occur.

However , the US military relieving the Commander in Chief from duty may .

That is a part of the definition of a military coup. The US military cannot and would not unilateral relieve the President from office.

No , no it isn't .
Learn the Military Code .

We’ve been through crap admins before it just wasn’t as splattered all over the news and world. Information did not travel as fast. Everything and everyone is under a microscope now. Every detail twisted and turned.

Biden and Harris were not the right party to lead America. The media is fully in bed with the democrats right now. It’s a dark time for sure.

America is a pretty tough bird. It will take more than this to collapse America.

If voting changed anything it would be made illegal

a reply to: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: MDDoxs

A military coup will not occur.

However , the US military relieving the Commander in Chief from duty may .

That is a part of the definition of a military coup. The US military cannot and would not unilateral relieve the President from office.

No , no it isn't .
Learn the Military Code .

Have a source for it G.I. Joe so I can educate myself?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That's the worry the present system is like a drowning person and will take anyone else down with them just to get that last bit of buoyancy. If it means robbing people around them they will do it. Bullies do that until they are stopped.

a reply to: wdkirk
America is finished. Stick a fork in it. We are simply waiting for the transition. Our enemies have been planning what we see now for quite a while.

No , the USA is not on the brink of collapse. Is it a banana republic now? Yes it is.
The only thing keeping the government in check is the 2 amendment. If they ever truly come for the 2 amendment, then you will see a collapse of our government when the people take back the power by force. So we are good for now. a reply to: musicismagic

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

I have to tell you, as someone who has been in the market for decades and who actually understands economics, you are thoroughly entertaining to watch. No matter how many times people explain this to you, you just keep plugging your ears and screaming "la la la, everything is fine!" It's like watching a toddler respond when his mom tells him to quit jumping off the stairs, "I didn't get hurt this time mommy, you don't know what you're talking about!"

What I can surmise from reading your posts, you made about 10k in the market since covid and now think you're hot # and know it all. You're relatively new to the market, I'd say no more than 5 years. You have exactly zero formal training on economics or markets. Your accounts will be nearing zero by this time next year.

How do I know this, you might ask; while there are many examples, this line right here contains almost all of them:

You could have literally put money under the mattress and beaten the inflation rate this year because the value of the dollar has increased at a rate greater than the inflation rate…

The fact that you were able to type that line and not realize what was wrong confirms everything.

You have no idea what inflation even means. Sure, you know what google told you it was, you might have even had someone explain it to you who understood it. But you discarded what you didn't like and latched onto what you did.

So I'm going to ask you a few questions, and feel free to take your time responding because I won't be on here very often, but please do respond.

How can you have 6% inflation and have a stronger dollar?
A strong dollar buys more, inflation means your dollar buys less. Do you see the problem?

I bought a truck last year for $26,000. The same truck today is pushing $40,000, so is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? I bought a house last year for $450k that is now pushing $800k. Is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? The same groceries I bought last year for $350 per trip is now nearly $500 a trip, is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? Last year I could fill my truck up for $42.00 this year I can fill it for $75.00. Last year my heating bill was $2,100 for the season, this year my eating bill will be ~$3,500. So again, is my dollar stronger today than it was last year?

Remember, the people of the Weimar republic thought they were getting rich too, and by the next year they were bankrupt.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

I have to tell you, as someone who has been in the market for decades and who actually understands economics, you are thoroughly entertaining to watch. No matter how many times people explain this to you, you just keep plugging your ears and screaming "la la la, everything is fine!" It's like watching a toddler respond when his mom tells him to quit jumping off the stairs, "I didn't get hurt this time mommy, you don't know what you're talking about!"

What I can surmise from reading your posts, you made about 10k in the market since covid and now think you're hot # and know it all. You're relatively new to the market, I'd say no more than 5 years. You have exactly zero formal training on economics or markets. Your accounts will be nearing zero by this time next year.

How do I know this, you might ask; while there are many examples, this line right here contains almost all of them:

You could have literally put money under the mattress and beaten the inflation rate this year because the value of the dollar has increased at a rate greater than the inflation rate…

The fact that you were able to type that line and not realize what was wrong confirms everything.

You have no idea what inflation even means. Sure, you know what google told you it was, you might have even had someone explain it to you who understood it. But you discarded what you didn't like and latched onto what you did.

So I'm going to ask you a few questions, and feel free to take your time responding because I won't be on here very often, but please do respond.

How can you have 6% inflation and have a stronger dollar?
A strong dollar buys more, inflation means your dollar buys less. Do you see the problem?

I bought a truck last year for $26,000. The same truck today is pushing $40,000, so is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? I bought a house last year for $450k that is now pushing $800k. Is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? The same groceries I bought last year for $350 per trip is now nearly $500 a trip, is my dollar stronger today than it was last year or not? Last year I could fill my truck up for $42.00 this year I can fill it for $75.00. Last year my heating bill was $2,100 for the season, this year my eating bill will be ~$3,500. So again, is my dollar stronger today than it was last year?

Remember, the people of the Weimar republic thought they were getting rich too, and by the next year they were bankrupt.

Since you’ve been in the market for so long, you know what the DXY is correct? Cool.

You know it’s outpacing the inflation rate right? Cool.

This isn’t tough.

Do you even understand how the strength of the dollar is measured? Apparently not. DXY is outperforming the inflation rate. I don’t make this stuff up. You can look yourself.

I feel like this is taught in community college economics classes across the country.

Quit getting your economic advice from idiots on YouTube. Almost everything is outpacing the inflation rate currently, INCLUDING the dollar. Only thing that’s yielded a loss off the top of my head YTD is Gold. Some inflation hedge, amirite???

Wall Street Journal July:

www.wsj.com...

Wall Street Journal October:

www.wsj.com...

Barron’s October:

www.barrons.com...

Marketwatch June:

www.marketwatch.com...

Fortune October:

fortune.com...

CNBC September:

www.cnbc.com...


I could keep going and going and going. If anybody here without a brain cared to educate themselves, they’d see what everybody else sees.

DXY YTD: 6.44%
Inflation rate YTD: 6.22%

Which number is bigger, and why is the dollar outperforming inflation?

You goofballs can argue your feelings until you’re blue in the face, but the facts don’t care about your feelings.

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Watching as closely as you do, I am sure you know the reason the dollar is ahead of inflation at the moment is because of the bump it got just last week. Without that it would be behind.

You also have to ask yourself why the dollar is rising, especially amid 30 year high inflation. It is because of the increase in the consumer price index, 5.4% YTD. Businesses are charging more boosting short term profits. However, the consumer, temporarily enjoying a stronger dollar, is about to get crushed by both a declining dollar, and still rising inflation. Its like cheering the economy due to the fact that the oil companies are doing well while forgetting the reason is because the price at the pump is putting the squeeze on people.

Or you can look at it this way. Yes, the dollar just hit a 16 month high. But inflation just had its highest year over year increase in 31 years. Which of those is a better portend of our economic future?

....16 months
.............................................................................................31 yrs

Its inflation...

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Watching as closely as you do, I am sure you know the reason the dollar is ahead of inflation at the moment is because of the bump it got just last week. Without that it would be behind.

You also have to ask yourself why the dollar is rising, especially amid 30 year high inflation. It is because of the increase in the consumer price index, 5.4% YTD. Businesses are charging more boosting short term profits. However, the consumer, temporarily enjoying a stronger dollar, is about to get crushed by both a declining dollar, and still rising inflation. Its like cheering the economy due to the fact that the oil companies are doing well while forgetting the reason is because the price at the pump is putting the squeeze on people.

Or you can look at it this way. Yes, the dollar just hit a 16 month high. But inflation just had its highest year over year increase in 31 years. Which of those is a better portend of our economic future?

Its inflation...

This is well thought out and fair.

The point I was making was that literal dollars under your mattress have outperformed inflation YTD. There’s no way around that reality.

The truth is, very few just have money under a mattress.

SPY would be a better index. It’s up 27% YTD. Just putting your money in the S&P index would have outperformed inflation by a factor greater than 4. Your dollars could withstand this same inflationary environment for 4 years if you pulled out of SPY now.

Or you could own a house that’s outperforming inflation. Or a used car. Or almost anything.

My basketball card collection surpassed 8 figures this year. Who knew? Should I worry about inflation when a 1986 Fleer Jordan #57 is up over 1000% since the beginning of Covid? Literally beat the inflation rate for my lifetime.

Maybe I just run in different circles? I have yet to meet anybody that doesn’t own some asset that hasn’t crushed inflation.

I suspect doomers who have hoarded gold might be feeling a bit of a squeeze, but is anybody else? I haven’t met them.

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Its a yes and no IMO.

The dollar increase of 6.4% and the inflation increase of 6.2% are not direct reflection comparisons. The end result in buying power is more than just those two factors. Buying power, the "basket of goods" is down.

You may also want to check that used car value. Depreciation just spiked and is expected to continue to increase. As a result, ROI is down in heavy equipment. That generally points to a slower growth period or an outright decline. China property giant Evergrande was able to avoid a default, this time, but even if it sold every finished property in its entire portfolio it still couldn't meet its obligations. I bring that up because the dollar also got a bump from Evergrande making its coupon payment.

In other words, everything short of the fed changing rates is being used to prop up the dollar. That will eventually end. It cant be avoided. Volatility in the market is one thing. Its expected. Currency traders don't expect this kind of volatility. Its generally not a good sign. A stock market bouncing all over the place is a sign of uncertainty. Currency markets bouncing all over the place is a sign of instability. We can live with uncertainty. Instability is another story.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

At this stage, the economy is a virtual one. That's why the real world isn't affecting it, the bankruptcies and the homelessness, can't be seen because of selective vision as it is very uncomfortable. The control of Precious metals will soon be unsustainable as the energy required to mine them, which makes that virtual price an impossibility. Good luck with Crypto, what happens to it when you die, did you give your wallet to someone along with the access numbers. Have they got a smartphone and a computer when the grid goes down? all businesses are failing to some degree, where can you spend it? What happens when Branson or Elon decides to cash out> so many questions so few answers.