Minnesota Covid data vaccinated vs unvaccinated

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: ScepticScot
I am not agreeing....
Just showing how data is not truth.

A 2009 investigative survey by Dr. Daniele Fanelli from The University of Edinburgh found that 33.7% of scientists surveyed admitted to questionable research practices, including modifying results to improve outcomes, subjective data interpretation, withholding analytical details and dropping observations because of gut feelings…. Scientists!

Misleading Statistics & Data – News Examples For Misuse of Statistics
www.datapine.com...

Yes which you should always be sceptical about outliers and sources .

On one side the overwhelming number of studies, with properly documented methodology and sources.

On the other you have non specialists on bitchute or anonymous conspiracy sites making wild claims using data incorrectly if at all.

a reply to: putnam6

The problem is that you are not comparing covid to covid, you are comparing the original strain to the delta strain. Where the vaccine really shines is in preventing serious cases and death. 89% of covid deaths are unvaccinated in Alabama.

a reply to: marg6043

I agree the reaction to covid to destroy the economy over it was not warranted.

This topic is about the vaccine, which also is clearly shown to work.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I know because once you get the flu once you can never get it again, oh wait ....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The flu vaccine is about useless because of the different strains that come along from year to year. For the flu vaccine to be effective, the most prevalent strain of virus has to be predicted, and then manufactured. Sometime the prediction is a flop.

LATEST FLU VACCINE FAILING AGAINST CURRENT STRAIN, CDC REPORTS

abc7.com...

Doctors are once again expressing their disappointment over the latest flu vaccine.

The CDC reports that the vaccine failed miserably against a flu bug that popped up halfway through the season.

Why wasn’t there a viable cold / coronavirus vaccine in the past.

Anyone with half a brain knew it was the same reasons flu vaccines can have an off year.

Speaking of studies?

Study: Flu shots in elderly don't cut mortality rate

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

Between the history of coronavirus, the history of hit and miss predicting effective flu vaccines from year to year, the fact there is serious questions if the flu vaccines actually impacts the mortality rates among the elderly (a that wouldn’t even need to be asked if data showed without a doubt it impacted mortality rates), but all the sudden the covid-19 vaccine is the magic bullet?

Again. All the sudden the Covid-19 vaccine is a magic bullet? Where passed vaccines have flopped?

A vaccine making billions for drug companies, and a vaccine that “needs” to work to make the current administration justified for its current policy of vaccine mandates. And set the tone on what government can mandate. What was the effectiveness of the vaccine to justify it being mandated for the majority of working age people? To justify making employers enforce the mandate through controlling people’s livelihoods?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

There is something more than covid going on…

But covid is a tool to get policies the democrats want.

With Vaccines Now Mandated For Workplaces, Will A Travel Mandate Be Next?

www.npr.org...

For controlling a population that would work nicely with..

IRS would track all bank transactions over $600 under Biden plan; Businesses revolt

news.yahoo.com...

You need to wake up to the bigger picture. And the democrats will get their way by any means possible. Even if a few covid stats have to be cooked.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

There is something more than covid going on…

But covid is a tool to get policies the democrats want.

With Vaccines Now Mandated For Workplaces, Will A Travel Mandate Be Next?

www.npr.org...

For controlling a population that would work nicely with..

IRS would track all bank transactions over $600 under Biden plan; Businesses revolt

news.yahoo.com...

You need to wake up to the bigger picture. And the democrats will get their way by any means possible. Even if a few covid stats have to be cooked.

You do know that Covid exits outside the US?

a reply to: ScepticScot

So are useful idiots. And cultural revolutions.

a reply to: ScepticScot

And if your using innuendo to imply I don’t think covid makes people sick like the flu, your wrong. And quote my posts where I ever posted such a thing.

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

And if your using innuendo to imply I don’t think covid makes people sick like the flu, your wrong. And quote my posts where I ever posted such a thing.

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

Since we are still in November, and there is an obvious lag in death certificate reporting, yes it would be hard to find statistics that haven't been compiled yet.

Until we know exactly the criteria used when collecting the data, no data of this nature can be trusted. Sadly some people of science have been proven to be less interested in medical science and staunchly dedicated to propaganda science.

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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: tanstaafl

I know because once you get the flu once you can never get it again, oh wait ....

Yeah, but as some are adamant to point out...

"This ain't the flu..."

Regardless, the recent proof of lifelong immunity for SARS-Cov-1 is a much, much better indicator that natural immunity for SARS-Cov-2 will be the same than any amount of pontification by jab lovers.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

And if your using innuendo to imply I don’t think covid makes people sick like the flu, your wrong. And quote my posts where I ever posted such a thing.

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

Since we are still in November, and there is an obvious lag in death certificate reporting, yes it would be hard to find statistics that haven't been compiled yet.

Can you find the UK rates for the last two weeks of October?

Anyway…

Despite High Vaccination Rates, COVID-19 Deaths Increase in the UK

November 7, 2021 • 7:34 am CST

www.precisionvaccinations.com...


Despite successful vaccinations, COVID-19 related deaths in the UK are now increasing.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

And if your using innuendo to imply I don’t think covid makes people sick like the flu, your wrong. And quote my posts where I ever posted such a thing.

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

Since we are still in November, and there is an obvious lag in death certificate reporting, yes it would be hard to find statistics that haven't been compiled yet.

Can you find the UK rates for the last two weeks of October?

Anyway…

Despite High Vaccination Rates, COVID-19 Deaths Increase in the UK

November 7, 2021 • 7:34 am CST

www.precisionvaccinations.com...


Despite successful vaccinations, COVID-19 related deaths in the UK are now increasing.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
The only thing I will do is post data. I won't tell you what it means or doesn't mean, I want you to tell me what you think it means. If you have data you wish to include into the discussion I welcome it. The only thing I ask of you is that you use the same type of format I will use. Don't just put down number of those unvaccinated who got sick, don't just put down how many vaccinated got sick. Be as specific as possible so the data can be given meaning, include vaccinated and unvaccinated, and what percentage of the population they represent. Here's some data to get us started.

www.health.state.mn.us...
Vaccination rates by age group
16-17: 59.88%
18-49: 62.77%
50-64: 74.96%
65+: 85.79%
usafacts.org...

I 100% believe these numbers. If you're over 65, the vaccine saves lives. If you're under 65, this data shows you're not gonna die from this. I wanted to post the CDC's evidence of even one case where someone who has recovered from COVID-19 and later been reinfected and transmitted it to someone else. They responded to a group of attorneys that the CDC has no such evidence of even one instance. So using the formula,

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I guess?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

And if your using innuendo to imply I don’t think covid makes people sick like the flu, your wrong. And quote my posts where I ever posted such a thing.

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

Since we are still in November, and there is an obvious lag in death certificate reporting, yes it would be hard to find statistics that haven't been compiled yet.

Can you find the UK rates for the last two weeks of October?

Anyway…

Despite High Vaccination Rates, COVID-19 Deaths Increase in the UK

November 7, 2021 • 7:34 am CST

www.precisionvaccinations.com...


Despite successful vaccinations, COVID-19 related deaths in the UK are now increasing.

September seems most recent data split that way.

www.ons.gov.uk... ccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021

Again shows effectiveness of the Vaccines.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It shows that the covid vaccines do prevent the majority of hospitalizations and deaths, but it won't be accepted here since it's not coming from some random dude on Bitchute.

Yes, to a degree, that's true. Because a lot of the random bitchute dudes are interviewing actual doctors, doing their own independent studies, and some of us think they are worth listening to. When you get data from the CDC and gov. websites, it IS suspect to some of us, because their manipulation of data in the last 18 months has been obvious. So when tens of thousands of other doctors around the world are saying different things, it's worth considering. We GET it: the government and CDC, media and pharma companies are saying the unvaxxed are screwed. After listening to many random Bitchute videos containing data from not so random doctors all over the world, who pretty much all say the opposite, I think it's worth considering. This IS a conspiracy site, so you must on some level realize that a lot of us think it's possible that things are being manipulated?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: tanstaafl

I know because once you get the flu once you can never get it again, oh wait ....

Yeah, but as some are adamant to point out...

"This ain't the flu..."

Regardless, the recent proof of lifelong immunity for SARS-Cov-1 is a much, much better indicator that natural immunity for SARS-Cov-2 will be the same than any amount of pontification by jab lovers.

Once you get the flu, you CANNOT ever get it again. This IS true. The complex part (barely complex) is that the flu mutates. If it doesn't mutate very far, you are STILL immune for the rest of your life to THAT version of it. If it mutates far enough, then yes, you can get it again, but are partially immune to the new strain. Indeed, during H1N1, they had noticed that few people over the age of 50 got it, because they'd been exposed previously in their lives to a version similar enough that they were now immune to H1N1 completely.

It's virology 101. And it's the same with Covid.

It blows my mind that the public accepts stuff like, "Immunity may only last..." This is absolute and literal lies. it breaks the laws of viruses as we've known them for hundreds of years. It's really quite ridiculous, but then it's easy to fool an unsuspecting public who doesn't know some simple facts.

a reply to: ScepticScot

What does that have to do with…

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

In the context of the above…

Can you find the UK rates for the last two weeks of October?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

What does that have to do with…

What’s the UK death rate among the covid vaccinated for November? Harder to find the statistics, huh….

In the context of the above…

Can you find the UK rates for the last two weeks of October?

As already explained it is hard to find stats that haven't been compiled yet. I provided the most up to date numbers that show much lower deaths from covid amongst the vaccinated.