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The Fight for Election Integrity Continues -- Audits, Criminal Investigations, Legislative Reform
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True the Vote has a 13 minute video from Epoch Times which summarizes their investigation (and the 2,000 Mules documentary) very succinctly and very
well.
Facts Matter: Georgia finally authorizes investigation into ballot trafficking - thanks to True the Vote
Gotta warn ya though, this guy talks fast!
Facts Matter: Georgia finally authorizes investigation into ballot trafficking - thanks to True the Vote
Gotta warn ya though, this guy talks fast!
originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Boadicea
I assume all those time-stamped photos of the drop boxes...the mules took, in order to get paid...still exist in a cloud somewhere.
Oh my! I didn't even think of that. I would assume so as well. The question is how to find it and make it public.
Although it also occurred to me that any mules paying attention have to be getting worried about now. Some might be considering the virtues of "cooperating" themselves...
The more the merrier I say!
a reply to: IAMTAT
IF a forensic audit is actually performed combined with Trumps EO that can seize assets of individuals/companies involved in voter tampering etc we could be talking about an insane amount of money. I think if an audit of the money trail on this is done, which I think it will be or maybe even already in process, there are going to be a lot of surprised people. It is going to be both parties involved and at some of the highest levels.
I am wondering how many of these lower level ballot harvesters have already turned and started to spill the beans. The heat that could very well come down on them is going to be intense. I believe some were already cooperating but with the exposure of the movie it is going to get more severe.
IF a forensic audit is actually performed combined with Trumps EO that can seize assets of individuals/companies involved in voter tampering etc we could be talking about an insane amount of money. I think if an audit of the money trail on this is done, which I think it will be or maybe even already in process, there are going to be a lot of surprised people. It is going to be both parties involved and at some of the highest levels.
I am wondering how many of these lower level ballot harvesters have already turned and started to spill the beans. The heat that could very well come down on them is going to be intense. I believe some were already cooperating but with the exposure of the movie it is going to get more severe.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Boadicea
I assume all those time-stamped photos of the drop boxes...the mules took, in order to get paid...still exist in a cloud somewhere.
There has to be paper trails for the money going into the "non-profits", as well.
Can non-profits lose their non-profit status if they engage in fraud, or is fraud acceptable these days? Asking for a 501-C.
One quirk from the documentary that I noticed:
Dinesh asked if geo-tracking was used to help find Osama Bin Laden.
I found this interesting because, the US government never provided any proof that they actually killed Osama. If you remember seeing a photo of the bloodied face of Osama, it was a photoshopped image. No real evidence was ever presented, except for a bunch of Seals dying, and Osama's body was said to have been dumped in the ocean.
I can remember repeatedly hearing that Osama was a CIA asset, and I had even heard that he was treated in a CIA hospital for kidney issues, while we were still on the "hunt" for him.
Dinesh asked if geo-tracking was used to help find Osama Bin Laden.
I found this interesting because, the US government never provided any proof that they actually killed Osama. If you remember seeing a photo of the bloodied face of Osama, it was a photoshopped image. No real evidence was ever presented, except for a bunch of Seals dying, and Osama's body was said to have been dumped in the ocean.
I can remember repeatedly hearing that Osama was a CIA asset, and I had even heard that he was treated in a CIA hospital for kidney issues, while we were still on the "hunt" for him.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: IAMTAT
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the changes take place soon enough... Musk doesn't officially take charge for a few months. I know Mike Lindell signed up again and was banned within a few hours for violating a previous ban, so we can't count on Twitter yet. But I do agree that a Twitter with free and fair speech again will be a huge boost for election integrity and pretty much everything.
It occurs to me that when/if all the evidence is released, it will necessarily include all the dropbox video footage, not just the footage shown in the documentary. I'm assuming that the cellphone data they bought included the identities of the mules, yes? I'm wondering if they can and/or will publicly release all of the identities... I would think someone could take them to court to stop them, but only the guilty would have standing in court... and that wouldn't end well for the guilty either...
the identities of the mules is masked, so while they bought the data and the numbers, they don't have the names to go along with them, Law Enforcement can get those names by requesting them from the cell phone carrier. (they mention this briefly when talking about catching the thugs who shot that little girl.)
Based on what they showed, if the "authorities" wanted to investigate this at all, it would be easy to find the mules, charge them with a felony, and they try for plea deals to get the money folks. Rinse and repeat. I'm sure the mules didn't intend on being caught, and won't be the dedicated criminals who would do time to protect their bosses.
At the very least, I feel like there was enough data here to vindicate my theory on where the fraud was, and how much of it there may have been. Not sure if anyone in power cares enough about election integrity to look into this, but most of the work is already done, even the FBI could find the truth here.
a reply to: network dude
Ahhhh.... okay. That makes sense. At least I think it does. In (my) theory at least, the cell phone trackers would sell that data by cell phone number, not by personal identity.
And this takes on whole new meaning for me now, because law enforcement has in fact used the data provided to identify suspects and make an arrest... making it more difficult (tho not impossible) to claim they cannot use the same data to track down and identify and arrest the mules.
I wonder if that was part of Team True the Vote's intention in finding and providing that data to law enforcement...
That's how I'm seeing it as well.
And they wouldn't even have to find their way out of that wet paper sack first!
the identities of the mules is masked, so while they bought the data and the numbers, they don't have the names to go along with them...
Ahhhh.... okay. That makes sense. At least I think it does. In (my) theory at least, the cell phone trackers would sell that data by cell phone number, not by personal identity.
...Law Enforcement can get those names by requesting them from the cell phone carrier. (they mention this briefly when talking about catching the thugs who shot that little girl.)
And this takes on whole new meaning for me now, because law enforcement has in fact used the data provided to identify suspects and make an arrest... making it more difficult (tho not impossible) to claim they cannot use the same data to track down and identify and arrest the mules.
I wonder if that was part of Team True the Vote's intention in finding and providing that data to law enforcement...
Based on what they showed, if the "authorities" wanted to investigate this at all, it would be easy to find the mules, charge them with a felony, and they try for plea deals to get the money folks. Rinse and repeat. I'm sure the mules didn't intend on being caught, and won't be the dedicated criminals who would do time to protect their bosses.
That's how I'm seeing it as well.
At the very least, I feel like there was enough data here to vindicate my theory on where the fraud was, and how much of it there may have been. Not sure if anyone in power cares enough about election integrity to look into this, but most of the work is already done, even the FBI could find the truth here.
And they wouldn't even have to find their way out of that wet paper sack first!
a reply to: IndieA
I wondered the same as well, but I'm not hopeful.
As I'm seeing it, Big Tech and all the PACs involved have effectively ensured that the fraud cannot be pinned on them. Sure, they provided funding for this, that and the other thing, but it was the election officials and election workers who determined the procedures and protocols for spending that money... "Wasn't me! It was them!"
Unless -- and this is a long shot in my view -- they were stupid enough to put something in writing. Perhaps some scraps and snippets can be found, but nothing explicit. I expect any such communication was verbal only.
There has to be paper trails for the money going into the "non-profits", as well.
Can non-profits lose their non-profit status if they engage in fraud, or is fraud acceptable these days? Asking for a 501-C.
I wondered the same as well, but I'm not hopeful.
As I'm seeing it, Big Tech and all the PACs involved have effectively ensured that the fraud cannot be pinned on them. Sure, they provided funding for this, that and the other thing, but it was the election officials and election workers who determined the procedures and protocols for spending that money... "Wasn't me! It was them!"
Unless -- and this is a long shot in my view -- they were stupid enough to put something in writing. Perhaps some scraps and snippets can be found, but nothing explicit. I expect any such communication was verbal only.
a reply to: Boadicea
I think if you look at the evidence of the EOs that Trump signed before the election, then the narrative he was pushing that fraud would take place at least to me it was obvious he knew and was preparing for fraud. It is also blatantly obvious just looking at the threads on this website that the FBI is not only incompetently managed but in some cases involved in much of the shenanigan's that have gone on in the country for several years. Bottom line he knew they could not be trusted. With the EOs being signed it pushed the responsibility to the military and the FBI is out of the chain.
I think one reason why we haven't seen much of this in the news or reported is because it is all being handled in the military. The rules that the need to follow are drastically different than regular law enforcement and they do not need to disclose anything. This isn't about getting the Joe Blow that made a couple hundred bucks harvesting ballots. This is about bringing the entire thing down and with coordinated effort we are most likely talking about 1000's of people and from several countries. From the 2000 Mules movie to the Twitter take over as well as many other things going on it just fits together to drip it out to the people before the hammer falls.
The military doesn't want to lower the hammer and look as though they are interfering or taking over. Before anything happens information like this needs to be released to show the masses. Once enough people see this then more drips happen and the noose starts to tighten.
I think if you look at the evidence of the EOs that Trump signed before the election, then the narrative he was pushing that fraud would take place at least to me it was obvious he knew and was preparing for fraud. It is also blatantly obvious just looking at the threads on this website that the FBI is not only incompetently managed but in some cases involved in much of the shenanigan's that have gone on in the country for several years. Bottom line he knew they could not be trusted. With the EOs being signed it pushed the responsibility to the military and the FBI is out of the chain.
I think one reason why we haven't seen much of this in the news or reported is because it is all being handled in the military. The rules that the need to follow are drastically different than regular law enforcement and they do not need to disclose anything. This isn't about getting the Joe Blow that made a couple hundred bucks harvesting ballots. This is about bringing the entire thing down and with coordinated effort we are most likely talking about 1000's of people and from several countries. From the 2000 Mules movie to the Twitter take over as well as many other things going on it just fits together to drip it out to the people before the hammer falls.
The military doesn't want to lower the hammer and look as though they are interfering or taking over. Before anything happens information like this needs to be released to show the masses. Once enough people see this then more drips happen and the noose starts to tighten.
a reply to: Charliebrowndog
I am aware of these EO's, though not really familiar with all the specifics. You may be right. But I'm not sure that's a good thing. I tend to think exactly the opposite.
I'm not a fan of military intervention into what should be a civil matter for law enforcement. Militarycoups interventions rarely
work out well for the people.... if ever. Frankly, I don't trust the military any more than I trust any one else with power.
Including Trump. I'm totally side-eyeing his current rallies and wondering what he's really up to. He has not declared another run for president, but he is effectively cutting any other candidates out of the running by teasing another run. Where's that going to leave Republicans in 2024 if Trump doesn't run? With no Republican candidate worth voting for. It's not hard to see Trump as a spoiler, almost guaranteeing Biden another term.
I am aware of these EO's, though not really familiar with all the specifics. You may be right. But I'm not sure that's a good thing. I tend to think exactly the opposite.
I'm not a fan of military intervention into what should be a civil matter for law enforcement. Military
Including Trump. I'm totally side-eyeing his current rallies and wondering what he's really up to. He has not declared another run for president, but he is effectively cutting any other candidates out of the running by teasing another run. Where's that going to leave Republicans in 2024 if Trump doesn't run? With no Republican candidate worth voting for. It's not hard to see Trump as a spoiler, almost guaranteeing Biden another term.
a reply to: Boadicea
A gigantic issue is almost every single institution is compromised. The courts are compromised, the parties are compromised, non-profits are compromised, huge corporations are compromised. Unfortunately I think by triggering the EOs the military is the only way because you won't get any cooperation in a timely manner any other way if you want results in our lifetime. By providing some of these drips isn't it helping give credence for the military to step in from the citizens? Wouldn't election interference be an act of war that the Military would be responsible for handling especially if funds are coming from overseas governments or Oligarchs? We are at an extreme time in history.
Its just my opinion that if the military doesn't step in then its a lost cause because no one else will. If the military steps in it will be huge because its my belief you will start to see how other countries are manipulating their elections as well. Just today there is the story in Bolivia about the citizens who stopped the car transporting ballots that were already filled out. I think it is common knowledge that our intelligence agencies have been involved in shaping elections, once some of these individuals start to see that in the military there isn't long drawn out court case there are no appeals and if your charge is treason you will face death these people will start to talk.
When they decide to pull the trigger will be interesting. My belief is the Georgia Election and the California elections that happened after the presidential election were monitored and allowed to end the way they did because this is about catching EVERYONE. I think the same tactics were used to harvest ballots and manipulate votes. This gives evidence that the 2020 election wasn't a one off. It show systemic problems and things will never be the same.
A gigantic issue is almost every single institution is compromised. The courts are compromised, the parties are compromised, non-profits are compromised, huge corporations are compromised. Unfortunately I think by triggering the EOs the military is the only way because you won't get any cooperation in a timely manner any other way if you want results in our lifetime. By providing some of these drips isn't it helping give credence for the military to step in from the citizens? Wouldn't election interference be an act of war that the Military would be responsible for handling especially if funds are coming from overseas governments or Oligarchs? We are at an extreme time in history.
Its just my opinion that if the military doesn't step in then its a lost cause because no one else will. If the military steps in it will be huge because its my belief you will start to see how other countries are manipulating their elections as well. Just today there is the story in Bolivia about the citizens who stopped the car transporting ballots that were already filled out. I think it is common knowledge that our intelligence agencies have been involved in shaping elections, once some of these individuals start to see that in the military there isn't long drawn out court case there are no appeals and if your charge is treason you will face death these people will start to talk.
When they decide to pull the trigger will be interesting. My belief is the Georgia Election and the California elections that happened after the presidential election were monitored and allowed to end the way they did because this is about catching EVERYONE. I think the same tactics were used to harvest ballots and manipulate votes. This gives evidence that the 2020 election wasn't a one off. It show systemic problems and things will never be the same.
a reply to: Charliebrowndog
If the military is the "only way" now then it will necessarily and always be the "only way". That's not a Constitutional Republic in any way, shape or form.
It'll be huge alright! But you cannot guarantee that it will be for the better. No one can.
Oh we'll ALL see that under military rule there will be no due process, equal application of the law, fair and speedy trials, the right to legal representation, and so on and so forth.
In other words, we will no longer have a Constitutional Republic... we'll have a militarily enforced Banana Republic.
A gigantic issue is almost every single institution is compromised. The courts are compromised, the parties are compromised, non-profits are compromised, huge corporations are compromised. Unfortunately I think by triggering the EOs the military is the only way...
Its just my opinion that if the military doesn't step in then its a lost cause because no one else will.
If the military is the "only way" now then it will necessarily and always be the "only way". That's not a Constitutional Republic in any way, shape or form.
If the military steps in it will be huge...
It'll be huge alright! But you cannot guarantee that it will be for the better. No one can.
...once some of these individuals start to see that in the military there isn't long drawn out court case there are no appeals and if your charge is treason you will face death these people will start to talk.
Oh we'll ALL see that under military rule there will be no due process, equal application of the law, fair and speedy trials, the right to legal representation, and so on and so forth.
In other words, we will no longer have a Constitutional Republic... we'll have a militarily enforced Banana Republic.
edit on 9-5-2022 by Boadicea because: formatting
a reply to: Charliebrowndog
I want to believe what you said, but it reminds me too much of Q-anon hope porn and disinformation.
Drips sound too much like crumbs, and how long are people supposed to hold out hope, especially when little to no developments are being revealed?
If anything, TTV and other election integrity groups have shown us that, we the people are the ultimate checks and balances on government, and it's better to do something than to sit back, do nothing, and hope that someone else is secretly holding our government accountable.
I want to believe what you said, but it reminds me too much of Q-anon hope porn and disinformation.
Drips sound too much like crumbs, and how long are people supposed to hold out hope, especially when little to no developments are being revealed?
If anything, TTV and other election integrity groups have shown us that, we the people are the ultimate checks and balances on government, and it's better to do something than to sit back, do nothing, and hope that someone else is secretly holding our government accountable.
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9-5-2022 by IndieA because: formatting
a reply to: IndieA
Thank you -- good to know!
Has Trump given a reason for not publicly declaring yet? I'm just wondering. I know it's still early, and I don't think it's even possible to make it official yet -- as in filing the paperwork and paying the fee. And it's not like Big Media gives him a whole lot of airtime to do so! Big Tech isn't rushing to provide a platform for him either...
I know there's been rumbles about DeSantis running as well. I don't think that would stop Trump from a run, I don't know about DeSantis.
Thank you -- good to know!
Has Trump given a reason for not publicly declaring yet? I'm just wondering. I know it's still early, and I don't think it's even possible to make it official yet -- as in filing the paperwork and paying the fee. And it's not like Big Media gives him a whole lot of airtime to do so! Big Tech isn't rushing to provide a platform for him either...
I know there's been rumbles about DeSantis running as well. I don't think that would stop Trump from a run, I don't know about DeSantis.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: IndieA
Thank you -- good to know!
Has Trump given a reason for not publicly declaring yet? I'm just wondering. I know it's still early, and I don't think it's even possible to make it official yet -- as in filing the paperwork and paying the fee. And it's not like Big Media gives him a whole lot of airtime to do so! Big Tech isn't rushing to provide a platform for him either...
I know there's been rumbles about DeSantis running as well. I don't think that would stop Trump from a run, I don't know about DeSantis.
There are some rules with regard to the campaign finances that drastically change when you officially enter the race. I believe this is the reason for waiting.
a reply to: Boadicea
I think the sole reason is campaign finance laws. Super Pacs raised over 80 million last year. He can use that money for planes, travel and miscellaneous stuff until he declares he's a candidate.
Even if he never does declare, he got ahold of that money and got his ego fed. That's a win win for him.
I think the sole reason is campaign finance laws. Super Pacs raised over 80 million last year. He can use that money for planes, travel and miscellaneous stuff until he declares he's a candidate.
Even if he never does declare, he got ahold of that money and got his ego fed. That's a win win for him.
edit on 9-5-2022 by frogs453
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a reply to: Boadicea
It's probably just too soon to make an official announcement, like you said.
He did say that he was leading in the polls right now.
I saw him in a video a few weeks ago where he suggested that he would be the 45th and 47th President.
I really want to keep DeSantis as a Governor for a while.
It's probably just too soon to make an official announcement, like you said.
He did say that he was leading in the polls right now.
I saw him in a video a few weeks ago where he suggested that he would be the 45th and 47th President.
I really want to keep DeSantis as a Governor for a while.
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