Texas Bans All Vaccine Mandates!

a reply to: Sookiechacha
Its ok
Black nixon tried the same tactic with the irs and epa.
Both blew up in his face.
The same will happen with osha.
At least osha is smart enough to get in front of it.

The quote you posted even shows there is no "mandate".
Weekly testing is listed in your quote.

Why would anyone take an experimental drug that won't protect you anyway when testing is offered?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Black nixon tried the same tactic with the irs and epa.
Both blew up in his face.
The same will happen with osha.

Maybe. But nobody can challenge the edict in the courts until OSHA does its thing.

The quote you posted even shows there is no "mandate".
Weekly testing is listed in your quote.

That's not new news to me. It was always pitched as vaccine or weekly tests.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
Lol
You seem unfamiliar with the process for changes to the cfr?
You should look up how public comments work, and should osha fail to take those the standard they put out will be shut down by the courts.

Pray tell why would someone working from home be subject to any of that bs?

Lolololololol

a reply to: TheRedneck

In the case of the vaccine mandates, the employee has an absolute right to religious autonomy; that is specified directly in the US Constitution, and therefore cannot be denied any person for any reason by any authority in the United States. Period. 

Religious autonomy? Which scripture prohibits vaccine medicine? It wasn't quite the problem we see today until specifically the COVID-19 vaccine. I'm willing to bet everybody (or the vast majority) who applies for religious exemption has their immunizations up to date prior to 2019.

The mandate violates both: it removes body autonomy and violates the religious beliefs of many

As I explained previously, this has nothing to do with body autonomy, it has everything to do with literal face to face services and the privileges of physically engaging with society for a paycheck. If you don't want to get vaccinated, tear up your employee contract and switch industries. Nobody is going to stop you. Is there anything in the constitution about forcing a business to keep you employed against their will and their company policies?

a reply to: shooterbrody

You might have a point if OSHA was issuing a permanent standard, but Biden's EO calls for an Emergency Temporary Standard, or an ETS.

The regular process for setting permanent standards is very different. Establishing an OSHA rule takes an average of 7 years, and the process has ranged from 15 months to 19 years between 1981 and 2010, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) reported to Congress in 2012. At the time, OSHA had not issued an ETS in nearly 30 years, according to the GAO. Between 1971, when the agency was established, and 1983, OSHA had issued nine ETSs. The agency has struggled to gather sufficient evidence of grave danger and the need for a temporary rule to withstand court challenges.

Will OSHA succeed in creating an ETS that extends beyond healthcare facilities and services, requiring employee vaccination or testing? The OSH Act does grant the agency that authority, but it must pass the two-pronged test, proving a grave danger exists and that an emergency temporary rule is necessary to address it.

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a reply to: Sookiechacha
Lol
"Might"?
Lol
What grave danger at this point does covid exibit?

Lololololololol

Something that has 99% survival?

Yeah
Please let us all watch that debated in court.


www.osha.gov...

Emergency Temporary Standards

Under certain limited conditions, OSHA is authorized to set emergency temporary standards that take effect immediately and are in effect until superseded by a permanent standard. OSHA must determine that workers are in grave danger due to exposure to toxic substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or to new hazards and that an emergency standard is needed to protect them. Then, OSHA publishes the emergency temporary standard in the Federal Register, where it also serves as a proposed permanent standard. It is then subject to the usual procedure for adopting a permanent standard except that a final ruling should be made within six months. The validity of an emergency temporary standard may be challenged in an appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals

Straight to court....


Wait, where was the hiv standard? The swine flu standard? The ebola standard?
Lol

Go weaponize some other federal agency.

www.osha.gov...

However, although OSHA does not specifically require employees to take the vaccines, an employer may do so. In that case, an employee who refuses vaccination because of a reasonable belief that he or she has a medical condition that creates a real danger of serious illness or death (such as serious reaction to the vaccine) may be protected under Section 11(c) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 pertaining to whistle blower rights.

Osha wouldn't require employees to take vaccines.

Lol
There is already a decision on this
Too funny!!!

a reply to: shooterbrody

So far the numbers are roughly 13% infection rate and 77% survival rate. I am not aware to what extent vaccines have affected these numbers, be it reducing infection or improving resistance factors. Perhaps others have tracked the critical condition/fatality head count pre vaccine to the 56% national immunization currently reported.

a reply to: TzarChasm

One need not cite a specific scripture to hold to a religious belief. I'm not specifically against the vaccine for religious reasons, but there are those who are. My objection is health reasons.

As I explained previously, this has nothing to do with body autonomy, it has everything to do with literal face to face services and the privileges of physically engaging with society for a paycheck. If you don't want to get vaccinated, tear up your employee contract and switch industries. Nobody is going to stop you. Is there anything in the constitution about forcing a business to keep you employed against their will and their company policies?

This has everything to do with body autonomy... it is the literal definition of body autonomy! I have the right to choose what goes into my body. Period.

As for employee contract, the contract is ongoing. There is no expiration on most of these employee contracts. Can you give me an example of a standard employee contract that contains an expiration date? Therefore, the contract cannot be changed in the middle of the contract period and mandatory vaccinations are not specified when the contract is initiated.

To do so would be akin to buying a house on payments... that is also a contract... and then after paying for the house for several years the mortgage company deciding that the house must suddenly be remodeled at your expense. That is their right under your theory, is it not? If you don't like it, just walk away and be homeless.

TheRedneck

a reply to: shooterbrody

What really concerns me is that so many people are willing to accept a company rule, backed by Federal mandate, that allows a company to require medical procedures! I though big business was bad? It used to be, and I have had to defend them recently against those who would have every corporation in existence dissolved. Now they are allowed to take control of their employees' health directly through mandates?

I'm starting to wonder if we jumped to an alternate universe when I wasn't looking...

TheRedneck

a reply to: TzarChasm
Lol
Mkay
Johns Hopkins shows mortality rate of 1.7%
So 98.3% survive

Pardon me for improper rounding up.
OSHA will be looking at the 98.3%, it is how they operate.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: shooterbrody

What really concerns me is that so many people are willing to accept a company rule, backed by Federal mandate, that allows a company to require medical procedures! I though big business was bad? It used to be, and I have had to defend them recently against those who would have every corporation in existence dissolved. Now they are allowed to take control of their employees' health directly through mandates?

I'm starting to wonder if we jumped to an alternate universe when I wasn't looking...

TheRedneck

I agree.
The company I work for wouldn't mandate hep b vaccinations, tho you had to sign a waiver to opt out.
I am stunned that people believe the feds have this power.
I am also stunned people don't think states have rights to protect their citizens.

People are to used to the tactic of weaponizing federal agencies to push through what they can't get passed in legislation.

a reply to: TheRedneck

One need not cite a specific scripture to hold to a religious belief. I'm not specifically against the vaccine for religious reasons, but there are those who are. My objection is health reasons.

With all due respect Mr Redneck, you wouldn't get away with that logic if you invented a rule in the Constitution without the actual text verifying your moral obligations. Even an atheist knows how to read.

As for employee contract, the contract is ongoing. There is no expiration on most of these employee contracts. Can you give me an example of a standard employee contract that contains an expiration date? Therefore, the contract cannot be changed in the middle of the contract period and mandatory vaccinations are not specified when the contract is initiated.

The contract is updated when the business holder chooses to update the contract. Granted, there is generally a grace period where the alert is sent out and all employees are educated on their options and given the opportunity to "appeal". This is a conversation to have with your specific employer, I'm not concerned with defending the standard business model and state regulation policies, only elucidating the nature of receiving a wage for performing a service under a licensed provider and the contractual obligations of that relationship. As long as any form of state certified business license is involved, that is the basis of any payroll position. Guess that's our fault for consenting to government oversight in the market.

To do so would be akin to buying a house on payments... that is also a contract... and then after paying for the house for several years the mortgage company deciding that the house must suddenly be remodeled at your expense. That is their right under your theory, is it not? If you don't like it, just walk away and be homeless.

If your house was riddled with asbestos that mysteriously manifested in your walls overnight, then yes. Or perhaps a large chunk of uranium laden space rock fell out of the sky and blasted a hole in your living room and now the whole block is at risk of poisoning. Or if your home had a severe gas leak that was spreading noxious chemicals into neighboring properties. But this is a matter of human biology and health code, not inanimate objects being overwhelmed with cancerous insulation or developing spontaneous radioactive properties. It's really not the same thing.

a reply to: shooterbrody

What grave danger at this point does covid exibit?

That's the rub, isn't it? Somehow, OSHA and its lawyers have to make a case, at Biden's behest, that COVID is still a grave danger that can stand up in court. But, nobody can go to court over this until OSHA makes its ETS.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: TzarChasm
Lol
Mkay
Johns Hopkins shows mortality rate of 1.7%
So 98.3% survive

Pardon me for improper rounding up.
OSHA will be looking at the 98.3%, it is how they operate.

My source for those stats was worldometer. I can't say how dependable it is, or how dependable any source is for the most up to date numbers.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

What grave danger at this point does covid exibit?

That's the rub, isn't it? Somehow, OSHA and its lawyers have to make a case, at Biden's behest, that COVID is still a grave danger that can stand up in court. But, nobody can go to court over this until OSHA makes its ETS.

Osha wont make a rule if it cant determine it is a grave danger.
Brandon doesn't get to determine that.
Do you now see how this is upside down?

Not even a nice try.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: TzarChasm
Lol
Mkay
Johns Hopkins shows mortality rate of 1.7%
So 98.3% survive

Pardon me for improper rounding up.
OSHA will be looking at the 98.3%, it is how they operate.

My source for those stats was worldometer. I can't say how dependable it is, or how dependable any source is for the most up to date numbers.

Up to date
Not up to date
Either way 98% survival rate is not a grave danger.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Do you now see how this is upside down?

What I see is Biden ordering OSHA to come up with an ETS and a case he hopes will stand up in court. I have no doubt that OSHA will do what the president has ordered. Whether that case will stand up in court is another highly questionable matter. But we'll know when their ETS is published what kind of meat is there for Biden's and the mandate's detractors.

a reply to: TheRedneck

That’s what I don’t understand about the religious exemption. I was always under the impression that if you claimed religious exemption then that was that. Nobody has the right to judge whether it is valid or how “religious “ I really am.
Now I’m reading numerous cases of companies requiring workers to “prove” their religious exemption, and then, even when they attempt to, are still denied exemption. Doesn’t seem legal to me.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

Do you now see how this is upside down?

What I see is Biden ordering OSHA to come up with an ETS and a case he hopes will stand up in court. I have no doubt that OSHA will do what the president has ordered. Whether that case will stand up in court is another highly questionable matter. But we'll know when their ETS is published what kind of meat is there for Biden's and the mandate's detractors.

Yeah
You understand this has been previously attempted with benzine and asbestos and was shot down in court?
Why the number 100? Are companies with 50 people deserving of less osha protection?
Even with the actual legislature for the needlestick safety and prevention act the hep b vaccine WAS NOT REQUIRED, and hep b is pretty much a death sentence.

In addition to that, the governor of the state of texas has blocked forced vaccines from any entity.

This will be another very public loss for brandon.
And another attempted hyjacking of a federal department for control of its citizens.