French police watch on as migrants cross Channel

originally posted by: halfoldman
Well currently there seems to be a de facto "no border" policy in many Western countries.
And here neither country seems willing to act, even if many laws may be broken.
Considering how the US horse-mounted border guards were smeared recently, it's not surprising.

Nah the UK doesn't have an open border policy or any politicians calling for one. We have far stricter controls than the US and Europe - I think we've been in international violation of Aslyum/Refugee law for decades for failing to meet basic legal obligations. We're an island with 25 mile plus sea barrier/wall and all political parties recognise uncontrolled immigration isn't sustainable -

Yesterday the UK Home Office ruled in favour of deporting people/interpreters/afghan aliies back to Aghanistan claiming they face 'no real harm' and they must demonstrate "specific reasons over and above simply being a civilian for being affected by the indiscriminate violence” to remain in the UK.

The UK has been deporting Syrian and Afghani refugees back into the warzone there for a while, something like 25,000 were deported when ISIS were running the region. Asylum seekers and refugees are held at detention centres in disused millitary bases and barracks that have been left to rust over the last 15 years with 400 per 16 man dorm despite it being illegal false imprisonment and deprevation of liberty under international law- the Borders Bill is attempting to ship immigrants and refugees to Rwanda while claims are processed and had plans to make giant water cannons and wave machines to sink dinghies with the Royal Navy being asked to use warships to intercept dingies before the MOD poited out that's illegal, impractical, innapropriate, disproportionate, we don't have enough warships and it's not the job of armed forces to clear up political failings.

Police and border forces are doing mass failings with the dinghy crossings by failing to arrest or attempt to incercept a lot of the dinghies once landed in Kent but we have far harsher policies than the US or Europe.

Nigel Farage reports from migrant beach landing in Dungeness, Kent.


This is what Britains should be protesting , it's the only way this government will listen and act.

Boris Johnson is weak and ineffective it's beyond time he and his failing government were brought down.

There is abject frustration that the French keep getting money to try to help break the cycle and crackdown on smugglers. Sky News has calculated theUK government has committed nearly £200m to the French over the last six years.
news.sky.com...

a reply to: gortex

One of the only times I've ever agreed with Farage and he caused a 20x increase in RNLI donations which is more than any other politician - in all footage I've seen in recent years of boats landing the first thing people have done is light a cigarette and get on their mobile. There's zero police presence even though there'd be a good hour warning prior to a boat landing as they ditch the boat engines when entering UK waters so they can't be sent back.

RLNI is a charity staffed by volunteers risking their lives to provide coastal rescue and are unable to do this role in the south-east due to being used as a taxi service that costs £1,800 per launch because the border force do bugger all and Home Office wont reimburse them - I'd be suprised if the record rate of drownings this summer from rip tides wasn't due in part to the RNLI being overwhelmed with the crossings/having to perform all the admin, processing, safeguarding etc... the gov have failed at for years.

originally posted by: halfoldman
Well currently there seems to be a de facto "no border" policy in many Western countries.
And here neither country seems willing to act, even if many laws may be broken.

Certainly seems to be the case in your country halfoldman

Importing millions of immigrants into the UK is a wink wink look the other way policy by our business elite sponsoring the government. Business needs this new blood especially since our eastern European sweatshop labour force has been encouraged through Brexit to leave. It's all about profits and money. It's all part of their plan.

Cheap labour just like your Randlords bringing in central africans to exploit and run your mines for next to nothing while all the time creating a new Soweto in every semi post industrial city in the UK to man the care homes and work the farms etc.

The business elite /politicians won't be living next to them though in their cosy rural retreats in Oxfordshire etc while the poor zones in the north are being flooded with the new arrivals.

All about the dosh.

originally posted by: Tulpa


My area, prior to the last election, has been staunchly Labour as far back as I can remember.
They've done a pretty good job of enriching themselves and had a few corruption scandals along the way. No social housing built in thirty years.

There's new developments of (allegedly) affordable housing but not affordable enough. Potteries all gone and plenty of other industries vanished. High street shops boarded up and empty. Population increasing but I'm not sure where they'll all be working.

There's lots of out of town distribution hubs running 24 warehousing and transport going on but I'm not sure if that's enough for the numbers in the coming years.

Thing is Tulpa if a good proportion of the local popualtion wasn't smacked up on heroin the new arrivals wouldn't be needed. People aren't forced to take heroin yet the local companies can't get workers as they are so messed up on drugs. You know the scenes around Burslem. It's like some kind of nightmare scene from Thriller. People literally rolling around on the pavements, monkey dust loons. Local companies can't survive on locals to do the work. It's an epidemic. Business must be funding the new arrivals one way or another be it through political party donations / influence, just to keep the care homes, factories, warehouses going now eastern European labour has been demonised through Brexit and many gone back to the EU.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You want to see Glasgow mate once its dark, they hand them out bread, soup, and sandwich, under the bridge at the Central Station.

Then they walk round the corner to score their gear, which amounts to Fentanyl laced smack and a few fake blues(Etizolam).

And they just hit up in the shop door ways or trot off back to their hotel hostels and rinse and repeat the process a few hours later.

As soon as this nation falls on its arse, smack/crack is all over the place again, junkies on every corner, and the thing is we don't have any Coca plantations nor Poppy fields.

a reply to: andy06shake

Jeez it sounds just the same in Glasgow. It's so bad such a fair percentage of the population. I'm beginning to think the world's gone mad. How can anyone get into that stuff oh dear the look of the users, it's not a good advert for new users yet new kids seem endlessly to be getting hooked on the stuff. I asked a taxi driver new to Britain from Kurdistan somewhere what he thought of all this.......... He said it "wasn't what I expected when I arrived in Britain" with a stunned look on his face. Probably had visions of Buckingham Palace etc just the reality is a little different! Heavens knows where we'll be in a decade or so but with a political elite who appear to universally be mentally ill I have very little hope for improvement.

There are no legal reasons for the french to stop people leaving their country unless they have committed a crime.

There is no legal reason for them to accept migrants returned from the uk. Brexit fixed that.

I dont see a realistic solution.

You can say no benefits or housing, but then you just end up with more homeless migrants committing crimes to feed themselves.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

There are no legal reasons for the french to stop people leaving their country unless they have committed a crime.

Perhaps not but they agreed to do it and we've given them upwards of £200m to help them do it , there's no reason we should suffer the fallout from Merkel's open door policy , Germany's insistence on maintaining open borders is an open invitation to those who want to make the journey.
We are not the only country that has had enough of it , Countries inside the EU are feeling the strain too.

Now the French police's lack of action has been exposed the French interior minister is getting involved.

The French interior minister is to visit Calais to inspect efforts in the fight against illegal immigration in the Channel - after Sky News filmed dozens of migrants leaving for the UK as armed police stood by and watched.

Gerald Darmanin is expected to talk to police and address France's role in controlling migration as tensions with Britain intensify.

The Home Office has said it will raise Sky News' footage with French counterparts - after the UK signed a £54m deal with France to increase patrols back in July.
news.sky.com...

I doubt it will make a difference as it's probably just a political gesture but some movement is better than no movement.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Strange as well because it was all supposed to be green fields and pleasant lands a couple of years down the line.

Need to be some size of big mad magic wand that's waved around to fix this place.

As to improvement, its not like "they" don't have room for such.

I will be surprised if Boris manages to keep the leccie running all winter if im honest.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I know, sort of, what you mean but there's some round here who would still vote labour if they made it a central policy to use us as a test ground for nuclear weapons! Tribalism helps no one.
Personally, I can't vote for any UK party fake left or fake right.

Not been to Burslem for some time but that's not unique to one area. I'd argue that the drugs are an effect of the decline in the area not the cause.
Have you been to Crewe lately? There's plenty of eastern European folk there. There has always been a large Polish presence in the area since the end of the war and they loved being here. Working on the railways etc. but the newer ones aren't all Polish but they're still there. Nothing against them at all and regularly mixed with them at car boot sales in the area.

Anyway, the five towns suffered most due to the concentration of funds attempting to improve "Up 'Anley Duck" and more mismanagement from the local authorities. There's still brand new projects standing empty or unusable in the city centre and what little tourism there was is never considered worthwhile to encourage. I once loved the city centre of my childhood but it's depressing to see now. In their favour, at least they're attempting to fill up old brownfield sites with housing rather than constantly moving out to more "desirable" rural parts. Still not exactly what most see as affordable.

but none of the above has any real relation to French Policing or illegal immigrants so apologies for drifting the thread Gortex.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Was attempting to edit. Woops.

I'm sure they'll be living 20 deep in a 12x12' container living off benefits while simultaneously stealing our jobs picking our veggies in no time. We can pay them the minimum wage from the £350 million a week we just saved since we have decided the NHS is not getting a single penny...or maybe it was all just BS?.

Taking back control. lol.

I warned everyone on here before the referendum what would happen with regards to migrants if we left Europe. Europe would turn a blind eye and possibly facilitate if they attempted to come to Britain. Some people in this very thread were and still are in denial.

Britania rules the waves?. it can't even stop inflatable dingies invading ffs. As for dealing with France?. They have borders too, you know. Especially the one at the end of the Chunnel. Close that and were back to ration books.

I have a feeling some here would be happy with that as all they ever talk about is the good old days of Spitfires over the white cliffs of Dover.

You lot moaning about this do realise that before the aircraft people used to come to this island we call Great Britain by, .... hold on, this might shock you... boat!

Romans came by boat, Anglo Saxons came by boat, Vikings came by boat, Normans ... came by BOAT!

People have been coming to this island by boat for thousands of years. Infact if you check your DNA you probably have some form of DNA that does not originate from Great Britain. In that case you must thank the foreigner that he came to these islands and bred!

So before you lamb blast these people coming here think, if they did not, maybe you wouldn't be here now!

Can't you see it is the Governments way of scaring you, saying these people are coming here to take over and take your jobs. Before you say these people could be violent, rapists and murderers, do you think the Vikings were saints?

Start having a go at the Government for selling weapons to these countries that then turn it on their own people, who have to then get away from war zones. It is the power hungry CEOs and people in power who crave money over lives not the normal person in a boat trying to get away from war torn zones that you should be shouting at.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

There are no legal reasons for the french to stop people leaving their country

There is actually. A Passport is a legal document that has to be produced when leaving France. Which Passport Control are the boat people going through ?

a reply to: Hurky1

Well if we bomb them they will come.

Even via proxies.

Hence the reason problems need to be addressed at the source.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Europe would turn a blind eye and possibly facilitate if they attempted to come to Britain. Some people in this very thread were and still are in denial.

France has been turning a blind eye for a long time, this has nothing to do with Brexit. Here is a report from before The Brexit Referendum even took place.

French police seem to turn blind eye to migrant crisis.

www.itv.com...

Nice try though to blame it all on Brexit.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I warned everyone on here before the referendum what would happen with regards to migrants if we left Europe. Europe would turn a blind eye and possibly facilitate if they attempted to come to Britain.

Remember the Calais Jungle , that place where illegal migrants lived while they tried to break into lorries to get over to Britain ?
That all started in 2015 before the referendum and before we left the EU , the French were turning a blind eye to that back then and facilitating their attempts to cross the channel , the only thing that has changed is the method of entry because the British government pressured the French to close it down.

You can blame Brexit as much as you want but it is a red herring waved by remainers with short memories.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I warned everyone on here before the referendum what would happen with regards to migrants if we left Europe. Europe would turn a blind eye and possibly facilitate if they attempted to come to Britain.

Remember the Calais Jungle , that place where illegal migrants lived while they tried to break into lorries to get over to Britain ?
That all started in 2015 before the referendum and before we left the EU , the French were turning a blind eye to that back then and facilitating their attempts to cross the channel , the only thing that has changed is the method of entry because the British government pressured the French to close it down.

You can blame Brexit as much as you want but it is a red herring waved by remainers with short memories.

Soooo. Why the need for a new thread on the same subject?. Talk about short memories.