The Plan to Kill and Sterilise Humanity Deciphered

a reply to: Silver Star

Those were simple immunology questions, if the OP cannot explain those then how can they explain or understand more complicated processes like those in the OP? I was probing knowledge since they presented themselves as an expert. I also place stuff in comments that someone in the field would pick up on throughout my posts. They didn’t and it needed to be direct.

2, 3, 4, 5 are blatantly wrong. 1 is real and they’re doing it. We do 6 all the time and have been doing it for decades. 7 and 8 fail to grasp concepts that are taught in undergraduate school let alone graduate programs. The rest just breaks down into fringe territory and it’s mostly nonsense. It’s a general undergraduate intro level of knowledge combined with bitchute and other video nonsense. There are far more effective protein targets in coronavirus alone that would make a more believable conspiracy theory yet instead we have this.

I really don’t care what people believe and if they want to believe that nonsense and then change the story in months or years, moving goalposts to the next crisis or conspiracy, that’s great. Scaring people with stupidity and then people actually believing it because those big science words are used is just as bad as what they claim the pharmaceutical companies are doing.

If you want a free immunology lecture, watch Dr. Beens immunology seminar. It’s a solid intro and when you begin to understand these processes, you see why these theories are so incorrect.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I made a couple of statements and provided some materials which further elucidate the viewpoint.

If one disagrees and seeks the engagement of conversation one could easily move forward with such intention.

Your response(s) to me indicate that you seek not conversing but rather making immature comments that sort of attack me in a subtle fashion.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

Some get it because they are threaten for reasons.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Imagine everyone who took the vaccine would die in 3-10 years.....

I just want to know when we can go after those responsible and start dishing out some American justice.

Or when they start dying is that when china starts sending over their navy.

Chinas navy surpassed Americans, and you dont build up a navy unless you plan on setting sail

Think a civilization game and you are building more attack boats. You just don't build them to have them sit still

Maybe when and if that ever might actually happen?

China's navy? Remind me, how many Carriers do they have?

What "attack boats"?

I dont know the numbers, but I read an article a year ago and it stated how eveyones argument was , yes china has a huge army , but no navy to get them any where. U.s..always has the biggest navy up until China surpassed their size a few years ago.

Some Democrats laughed and the trump space army. But reality is the Chinese had started a space army way before trumps announcement.

While china is playing a very serious game, the u.s
Is concerned with climate change, BLM and what gender bathroom to use.

If you don't know the numbers why bother posting?

Give a source or....

www.navytimes.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

As far as I can tell, no one died from the Vaccines, nor Covid ether yet.

a reply to: natoshis

It's a huge world..

With only 500,000 people left, it won't be hard for survivors to hide from the elitists.

They can never control 100% of the population, no matter hw small they make it.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: Silver Star

Those were simple immunology questions, if the OP cannot explain those then how can they explain or understand more complicated processes like those in the OP? I was probing knowledge since they presented themselves as an expert. I also place stuff in comments that someone in the field would pick up on throughout my posts. They didn’t and it needed to be direct.

2, 3, 4, 5 are blatantly wrong. 1 is real and they’re doing it. We do 6 all the time and have been doing it for decades. 7 and 8 fail to grasp concepts that are taught in undergraduate school let alone graduate programs. The rest just breaks down into fringe territory and it’s mostly nonsense. It’s a general undergraduate intro level of knowledge combined with bitchute and other video nonsense. There are far more effective protein targets in coronavirus alone that would make a more believable conspiracy theory yet instead we have this.

I really don’t care what people believe and if they want to believe that nonsense and then change the story in months or years, moving goalposts to the next crisis or conspiracy, that’s great. Scaring people with stupidity and then people actually believing it because those big science words are used is just as bad as what they claim the pharmaceutical companies are doing.

If you want a free immunology lecture, watch Dr. Beens immunology seminar. It’s a solid intro and when you begin to understand these processes, you see why these theories are so incorrect.

Those are big claims, and baseless refutations you've made. Everything I have claimed is correct. Yes I did not go into detail into the more advanced processes, so as not to confound and confuse people. But you're disingenuinely attempting to refute and discredit me.
For starters, I never claimed to be an expert in immunology. I said I've studied it. I never majored in it.

But you know how I can tell you're being disingenuous? Because you've not only made baseless refutations, not only have you claimed that everything I said is incorrect (when it actually IS correct and anyone who educates themselves will find everything I have said is correct)

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
"Antigen doesn’t have to be foreign, do you know what it stands for?"

I responded:

originally posted by: natoshis
"Antibody generator. It is generally used to refer to pathogens, chemicals or toxins though."

Then in your reply you said

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
"Do you know why T helper cells primarily respond to extra cellular sources of antigen? Which stands for antibody generating proteins by the way, surprised that one was missed in your answers."

How exactly did I not answer your question? I did. In fact - YOU are incorrect. Not all antigens are proteins. Carbohydrates, chemicals and toxins can act as antigens.

"Are antigens proteins?
Antigens are usually proteins, peptides (amino acid chains) and polysaccharides (chains of monosaccharides/simple sugars) but lipids and nucleic acids become antigens only when combined with proteins and polysaccharides."

From microbiologyinfo.com...


Also, nothing to say about the infertility problems people are experiencing. Cherrypicking to dismiss the argument.

"To summarize, it looks as though pregnant women who are getting the COVID-19 vaccine are at increased risk not only for miscarriage but also for future infertility and having an autistic child. So, please, be careful out there and spread the word.
The best way to treat any disease is to prevent it. These vaccines simply are not decreasing COVID-19 but radically decreasing the health of those who receive it, especially pregnant women that the CDC merely a month ago encouraged to get vaccinated without a shred of safety evidence."

Source for above: www.lewrockwell.com...

www.yahoo.com... COVID-19 vaccine's impact on menstrual cycles needs to be investigated after 30,000 women report changes, says top scientist

lichtnahrung2015.wordpress.com... - Shocking new study reveals covid vaccine terminated 4 out of 5 pregnancies via “spontaneous abortions” during their first or second trimesters, an attempt to obfuscate that data is apparant.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons

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Pfizer's own Clinical Trial Procedure notes which made it a reportable indicent to Pfizer Safety if any pregnant woman even had skin contact exposure to someone who had the vaccine. That sounds really safe.

Source: Pfizer Clinical Trial Protocol Document: media.tghn.org...

EDP: Exposure during pregnancy
8.3.5. Exposure During Pregnancy or Breastfeeding, and Occupational
Exposure Exposure to the study intervention under study during pregnancy
or breastfeeding and occupational exposure are reportable to Pfizer
Safety within 24 hours of investigator awareness.
8.3.5.1. Exposure During Pregnancy An EDP occurs if:
* A female participant is found to be pregnant while receiving or after
discontinuing study intervention.
* A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study
intervention exposes a female partner prior to or around the time of
conception.
* A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been
exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure.
Below are
examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:
* A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is
pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by
inhalation or skin contact.
* A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to
the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his
female partner prior to or around the time of conception.

In addition, a final warning to humanity was issued by the former Pfizer Chief Scientific Officer Dr. Michael Yeadon

From the head of the company involved with the largest criminal fine in history for fraud and misrepresenting the safety of their products and from the horses mouth itself. Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History - Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing

No one should trust this company which has a long track record of putting profits instead of safety first when the heads of the company (and more Pfizer employees) have all said the same things.

But keep burying your head in the sand and telling yourself and others that there's nothing to see here.

a reply to: natoshis

In my mind it's obvious to me your detractors
and the conformist following the official
narrative are not simply laboring under
misconception.

Thank you for posting.

And by all means, stay the course.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Why do so many experts, including Dr. Geert Van Den Bossche who IS an expert in immunology, virology and vaccinology share the same views if these claims are incorrect?
He's one of the most credible, authoritative persons who can give an opinions on this matter. Involved in developing many vaccines and involved with some of the most reknowned biomedical companies in the big pharma and vaccine industry. Far more credible than either me or you.

Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany.
He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia,
Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.
Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer;
he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager.
At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.
Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program.
After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office.
He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

From: www.geertvandenbossche.org...

originally posted by: Ironclad1964
a reply to: natoshis

It's a huge world..

With only 500,000 people left, it won't be hard for survivors to hide from the elitists.

They can never control 100% of the population, no matter hw small they make it.

A world with only 500,000 people left would quickly collapse into a pre-industrialized society because there wouldn't be enough people left to maintain the infrastructure and to grow food.

Something as simple as a hydroelectric power plant or a wind farm can't run forever. They require maintenance and spare parts. Those parts are typically manufactured in plants hundreds or even thousands of miles away from where they are being used. Frequently critical parts aren't even manufactured in the same countries.

You would need to maintain enough people to maintain the factories needed to maintain your infrastructure, and enough people to maintain the factories used for the spare parts for those factories, and you would need to maintain a transport infrastructure to get those parts to where they are being used, plus the factories needed to make the parts for your vehicles. Plus you'd need people to mine and refine the materials needed for all of the above.

On top of that you'd need people to grow food for them all.

So, the elite couldn't just save themselves. They'd need miners and farmers and people with the skills to run power plants, and the skills to run factories, and the skills to transport the parts from factories farms and mines thousands of miles apart.

And this is without even getting started on maintaining a telephone network or the internet, or luxury products such as clothing and entertainment.

Oh, and they'd need an army too, otherwise any survivors might simply come along and take their communities from them. Those soldiers will probably want their families to be saved, which will dig deep into that 500,000 as well.

500,000 people could run maybe a 1900s society with running water and renewable energy IF they built a self sustained infrastructure with factories and mines and farmer BEFORE the cull.

They'd also need to choose their people wisely. How many elites want to make spare parts for a power plant, let alone know how to do it? Yet pretty much all of the depopulation plans that I've heard of involve randomly killing white middle class people from the suburbs, which incidentally is where a lot of the people with the skills needed to maintain an advanced infrastructure happen to live.

There's a reason why this plant suddenly started advancing when it got to a certain population level. We shot ahead because we had enough people to grow food and to manufacture goods, and to maintain infrastructure. And to do all of the logistics required to support all of the above.

If you look at places like Africa and India and Asia, there have many regions with low levels enclaves of population that have "access" to modern technology and modern knowledge, and yet they are locked into livestyles from well over 100 years old except for having electricity and some imported consumer goods. These enclaves simply can't support mining and farming and manufacturing because they don't have the population to do so, or access to the resources requied.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

This isn’t a ploy to kill, they are killing the wrong group of that were the case. I do think we will see tons of ppl get sick from these shots though, but yeah, it’s 100% a control mechanism imo.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

This isn’t a ploy to kill, they are killing the wrong group of that were the case. I do think we will see tons of ppl get sick from these shots though, but yeah, it’s 100% a control mechanism imo.

a reply to: natoshis

I just want to say thank you for this thread, sharing what you know and the realities of what we now face.

The research you have done and compiled for us to share is of epic proportions.

Currency of the future is the knowledge needed to maintain your immune system in the face of nefarious ingenious monsters who have had a jump start for as long as one can remember.

I will be going through all of your threads with a fine tooth comb!

This thread began well, smart dust was spoken about. It quickly derailed into a immunology logorrhea. An instructive capsule illustration of the happenings at large: news about mARN etc. serve the purpose of warning people that the vacc. are unusual and worthy of reticence (the aborted fetal material should've deterred decent people), and to hide the worse concoction: the legions of MEMS inoculated.

a reply to: natoshis

Posting a million links doesn’t change my opinion but I will skim through them more, maybe I missed something. It’s fine to believe whatever, it helps drive things forward and debate is good for science but that glossary of terms was a huge red flag. Plus I usually place value on peer review and using certain journals as the gold standard. Usually I ignore that stuff because I remember going through and learning this material as I moved through degree programs. The best way to learn is by explaining to others so keep doing that and learning more and I hope you continue your education in the field.

Now most of that stuff is nonsense with the vaccine. There is something abnormal going on with complement, most likely the alternative pathway. There is an issue with innate signaling and going after clotting factors. It’s not happening to everyone. It’s not going to reduce your T cell count. It could generate ADE and non neutralizing antibodies. Coronaviruses are notorious for this. Natural infection could do the same thing. They also attenuate more slowly so that’s dragging this thing out.

The experts do say a great deal and it’s a huge debate centering on why you shouldn’t force vaccinate people.

Jumping to a mass Euthanasia campaign by some HIV like disorder is insane.

First the virus was a bioweapon that was going to kill us all, just look at China and the lockdowns. Then low death rates.

Next the virus is a slow killer, changing our genes because bioweapon. Nope people still here.

Hmm ok the medications and the vaccine are going to kill us all. Hundreds of millions are ok.

Aha wait no the vaccine is a slow killer, changing our immune systems so when we get exposed to this one virus they will kill all the educated, productive, healthcare, first responder, and military people and then we get the conspiracy theorists all to ourselves. Muhahahaha yes yeeeeeessss, gooood goooooood.

I seem to notice a pattern, can’t wait for what comes next when everyone is fine in a few years.

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
The Great Reset: How a ‘Managerial Revolution’ Was Plotted 80 Years Ago by a Trotskyist-turned-CIA Neocon

It should be known that at nearly its inception, the World Economic Forum had aligned itself with the Club of Rome, a think tank with an elite membership, founded in 1968, to address the problems of mankind. It was concluded by the Club of Rome in their extremely influential “Limits to Growth,” published in 1972, that such problems could not be solved on their own terms and that all were interrelated. In 1991, Club of Rome co-founder Sir Alexander King stated in the “The First Global Revolution” (an assessment of the first 30 years of the Club of Rome) that:

“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.” [emphasis added]

It is no surprise that with such a conclusion, part of the solution prescribed was the need for population control.

Are Neocons former ex-Marxists or ex-former Marxists? We are living in an inverted reality.


BTW, Today is National Nanotechnology Day

Nano Meds

It is remarkable how little of a public dialogue is going on around this tech.

Thank you for sharing!

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

YES Exactly .

Why on earth would they kill all of there loyal sheep ?

Someone has to make there Cars , Clothes , Houses and serve them food and be there human play toys .

But in all seriousness yes I agree with you .

Best way to reduce the population has always proven to be to provide people with security and prosperity along with systems that ensure they have enough support so they don't need to have a lot of children to care for them in their old age. Nearly all industrialized countries eventually go to a negative birthrate.

originally posted by: natoshis

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

Because they want to remove 90% of the population, and they don't care. They don't need us anymore. They have robots and automation. We're the carbon they want to remove. They don't want to hand over the profits from automation and pay 7 billion "useless eaters" as they call us, a UBI.
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Wow......threads like this are awesome for people looking for entertainment only type conspiracy theory stuff....... the whole "they" want to kill us, de-populate the Earth thing is an OOLLLLLDDDD conspiracy theory....and a fun one.
The problem is, mixing this with information on the coronavirus /pandemic....when we are still IN the pandemic.

So many people right now are being told so many mixed things about covid and the pandemic, that many people who don't know possess critical thinking and logic skills, along with spending an adequate amount of time researching the info, are going to be lost to the nonsense.

I honestly think threads like this do far more harm than the entertainment they provide.


Here's my take on the situation, after hundreds of hours of research, combined with scientific data, logic, and critical thinking:

1) Are the vaccines safe? Not 100%. But they aren't NEARLY as dangerous as people on facebook and conspiracy websites want to make everyone believe. In very rare cases, they've been known to cause blood clotting issues, and a few other issues. We still don't know the long-term effects....but we have no data to indicate the vaccines pose a risk to the majority of the population.
99% of the people who take the vaccines are going to be just fine. Better than fine, because they now are far less likely to die from covid.

2) Are the vaccines effective? YES. ALL of the data we have, from ALL OVER THE WORLD, and every country, shows the vaccines are effective. Against the alpha strain particularly, which unfortunately is no longer a threat. Against the alpha strain, they were 90%+ effective at eliminating symptomatic infection.

Now, unfortunately the OP is correct in that the Delta strain threw a wrench in the gear. They only add an additional 30% or so protection against symptomatic infection from the delta variant after a few months of being fully vaccinated.

HOWEVER, the vaccines are about 90-96% effective at preventing hospitalization and death. THIS is where the vaccines REALLY shine. The delta variant is pretty damn nasty, and even children have been known to die from it now.

3) Is covid real?
There are still people who think covid is a hoax. It isn't. I always tell these hard headed individuals to go visit their local hospital and see for themselves. Of course, they won't be allowed into the covid wards....but they can still youtube and see how terrible the covid wards are. Or, talk to any nurse or doctor you know - they'll let you know how bad it is. Or, just look at the stats.....of course, those who don't believe covid is real will always say the stats are fake. Go figure. I guess every country in the world is magically in on this grand conspiracy, huh?


4) How dangerous is covid? Most people don't know this......but we've known how dangerous covid is since the very beginning of the pandemic. The death rate for covid hasn't changed all that much since January 2020. Its always been about 2%, give or take. So about 1 out of every 50 people who get covid die from it. The death rate of the flu is about 0.1%. So with the flu, out of every 1,000 people who get it die from it, almost ALWAYS someone 70+. With covid, its one of 50.

Now, if you look at the charts, the risk of covid grows exponentially the older you are. If you are under 20, and not obese, immune compromised, or suffering from other illnesses that can weaken your immune system, you are very, VERY unlikely to die from covid, with or without a vaccine. That number grows a good bit in the 25-35 age group.

If you look at a graph of covid deaths by age, you see each age group , as it goes up, has a WAY higher risk of death than the previous age group.

So, a 20 year old with no pre-existing issues? Absolutely will be fine without a vaccine.
A 35 year old with asthma? Will still probably be fine, but worth considering the vaccine.
A 70 year old cancer survivor with diabetes? ABSOLUTELY get the vaccine.

See where I'm going with this?

Each person needs to sit down, and look at the data, and come to an actual conclusion as to how at risk they are, and decide if the risk from the vaccine is lower than the risk from covid.

About 1 out 50 people die from covid....and about 30%, or 1 out of every 3 people who get covid develop long-term symptoms.

About 1 out 1 million people who get the vaccine develop life threatening issues from it. Probably around 1 out of every 10,000 to 50,000 develop a symptom or complication from the vaccine more than the usual side effects.

So for most people, it should be a no brainer.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It sounds really good, but those most likely to get vaccinated are also most likely to be easiest to rule and control. Therein lies the flaw in this line of thought. Why leave the strong willed rebels alive?

Because it’s all bull# 😂👍🏼
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