Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich is Stunned by the Amount of Potential 2020 Election Fraud.

You are dead wrong.

2000 was 271 Bush to 266 Gore. Florida was the state that swung it, by actually much much fewer than 5000, so yes, my memory errored to the convservative in this argument. 537 vote difference was the final determination, for Bush.

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I suppose it depends on where you sit with all this. If you said "I feel like the election was ripe for fraud with all the covid changes, and the BAMN attitude towards Trump, I'll be interested to see where all the investigations lead", you have place yourself in a safe place. maybe there was fraud, but if there was none, then none will be found.

Conversely,
If you are of the "there is ZERO chance that any meaningful fraud happened, full stop", then you have made an empirical statement and you would have to vehemently defend that position in order to not look foolish, if meaningful fraud was in fact found.

I suppose it's all in the wording.

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Interesting statement for someone that claims not to have a pet theory. You believe the fraud wasnt enough.

www.history.com...

Five hundred thirty-seven votes.

That's all that separated Democrat Al Gore and his Republican challenger George W. Bush when, on November 26, 2000, three weeks after Election Day, the state of Florida declared Bush the winner of its 25 electoral votes in the race for U.S. president.

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Every city has their own ballots and a contractor or two to help them conduct an election. What a mess.

I dont believe youve considered what that means. Hacks are very often inside jobs. Thats alot of software thats never examined or audited. Lots of servers, lots of voting machines, websites, registration databases by the tons. Code for voting purposes should not be ‘proprietary’. All of it needs to be walked thru to assure it’s counting votes and validating signatures properly.

You have way too much trust in small town politicians and their ability to hire reliable elections management consultants that have integrity and know what they are doing. Thats naive.

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I misread that as 2020.

originally posted by: network dude
...if meaningful fraud was in fact found.

Which will happen when? 2022? 23? 30? 50? Never?

I'm going with the latter in another empirical statement that will also be correct. I don't hedge.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
You believe the fraud wasnt enough.

And so did every single court that the so called 'evidence', A.K.A. 's***', was presented to.

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So its weak to admit you dont have access to the facts? Its weak to have patience to see the outcome, if its ever shown.

Its very ignorant to be unable to acknowledge what you dont know. If you feel that truth is truth and facts are facts because you believe them so, you are a fool.

I dont have a ‘boy’. I dont like Trump as a person. He pisses me off because he might have been a good POTUS but for his damn mouth. I sure as hell dont like what we are left with in his place.

We all know your opinion is based in hate for him, past your point of being rational. You will say you dont have a boy either. I think you hate Biden less than you hate Trump if anything.

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Apparently you do commit errors and jump to conclusions now and then. Thanks for the explanation.

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Early in the game, long before audits were done, the courts said either its not enough or standing issues. Courts get it wrong. They arent infallible. And they do tend to be very cautious.

More is now known. Id frankly like to see more audits.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
...if meaningful fraud was in fact found.

Which will happen when? 2022? 23? 30? 50? Never?

I'm going with the latter in another empirical statement that will also be correct. I don't hedge.

I have no crystal ball. But I'm sure it will make the news cycle when and if it does.

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So in my city Mrs smith is running for treasurer and Mr Jones is the incumbent treasurer. But in the city next to me Miss Green and Mr Bloom are running against each other for treasurer..
Each city has their own ballot for their own needs.
The state constitution may have issues or amendments to be voted on by state residents but that issue is on the same ballot as the treasurer or sheriff or city council members. One city does not have the same ballot as another city.
You cannot have just one ballot for president.
The presidential election is never the only election on the ballot so each municipality has to have their own ballots.

There is nothing confusing about it.

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PS
I have friends in politics and I have friends who volunteer at the polls on election day. Yeah I trust them. I've known them personally for decades.

Ballots are NEVER SIGNED. The envelope you mail it back in is.
They are separated because your vote is private / secret.
Surely you do not believe there were enough ballots submitted without proper signatures to actually change the results of the election do you?
Plus unfortunately for some the ballots that have been identified as fraudulent have been Republicans voting for Trump for someone else. Dead mother, dead husband, I just knew who he'd vote for. Lol.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
=So its weak to admit you dont have access to the facts?

The facts have been out and through court 100 times, literally, the election did not have wide spread fraud.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
Apparently you do commit errors and jump to conclusions now and then. Thanks for the explanation.

Oh, look at you, trying to make a sick burn.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
Early in the game, long before audits were done, the courts said either its not enough or standing issues.

Anything get taken to court since the 'audits' were completed? No? Not even Cyber Nitwits or Pillow Man?

Wow, what a surprise.

More is now known.

Then someone should tick-tock that into court and release some krakens.

Id frankly like to see more audits.

Of course you would, you're still very, very unhappy about the results and just can't admit that your boy lost.

originally posted by: network dude
I have no crystal ball. But I'm sure it will make the news cycle when and if it does.

You'd also make the news cycle if you won the Powerball which in reality there are higher odds of occurring.

Meh, any twit in an ugly hat with a pig faced peppermint patty can make the news cycle these days. May help if you pledge allegiance to satan in a secret society tho.

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Karen, dont talk down.

I dont get your labored point about multiple ballots. Perhaps instead of describing the obvious for your entire post, you have a reason why you think this situation is secure and cant be rigged. lol.