Secretly Recorded - Pharma Officials Gravely Concerned About Covid-19 Vaccines LT Dangers.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Let’s do a little comparison.

Population of Ghana: 30 million
Covid deaths: 1200
Vaccination % of population: 1-2%
Overall mortality: unchanged and in line with average

Population of UK: 67 million
Covid deaths: 136,000
Vaccination % of population: 82%
Overall mortality: up 10-20%

They must have some healthcare system in Ghana. Think about it, countries with abject poverty, poor education and healthcare system with no mandates are suffering less than the developed world.

Wow the minions are working overtime here aren’t they. Prove long term health problems before there’s any long term data? Amusing. But wait, loads of scientist are saying it’s safe, so that’s cool, only without any long term data. Who sees the paradox here?

Hey, now!!!!!
Can we please talk about the topic?????

Secretly Recorded - Pharma Officials Gravely Concerned About Covid-19 Vaccines LT Dangers.

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a reply to: carewemust


100% agree with the info in the OP.

There are no long term studies on these vaccines. People claiming otherwise are wrong.

The people claiming there are *only* short term potential side effects need to look at their booster shot schedule. I am not sure that anyone knows how a persons body will hold up after booster shot 5, 6, 7 etc.. looks like you may need one every 3 to 6 months for life.

Do short term effects potentially kick in after each one? If so, what effects and at what rate? After a certain number of boosters do we need to worry about long term chronic issues? Oh wait! Noone knows the answer to either of those basic questions.

I love the 700k+ covid deaths in the USA number that people toss around too. I wonder how many of them had covid when they died from a gunshot or from a car accident and are included? How about the number of elderly with influenza and pneumonia? Oh wait! 2020 had next to no cases of influenza or pneumonia! I forgot it took the year off and in no way was used to inflate covid numbers.

This virus is awful, but it is not Ebola. You dont catch it and die unless you get extremely unlucky or have some serious comorbidities. As others have mentioned there are plenty of viable treatments right now. Look at what florida did with monoclonal antibodies and look at what India is doing with ivermectin.

The truth is simple. If the people in charge wanted you to get better they would be trying everything reasonably safe to save you. Instead they are actively avoiding potential treatments and pushing experimental vaccines on you.

After all of the above how the same people can keep coming into each thread to defend this nonsense vaccine is bizarre. Although I must applaud their commitment to being the best boot licker possible for their masters. Well done!

a reply to: carewemust

Thanks for posting this. Starred and flagged. I hadn't seen this. But hey even though more and more evidence, even from doctors and experts whom have never been anti-vax are stating that people shouldn't take these vaccines, yet the mainstream media lies about it and lies about treatments that have been used successfully around the world and don't have the side effects that the vaccines have.

Japan had to once again recall millions of doses because they found strange things like really small stainless steel flakes in the vaccines. First it happened with the Moderna experimental vaccines, and it also happened with Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines...

Moderna to recall COVID-19 doses in Japan after stainless steel contaminants found

The second link wasn't the one I was talking about. Will try to find the right article.

The ironic part is that there have been doctors, and specialists whom have stated they found strange things in the vaccines, before Japan found them, and they included finding stainless steel among other things in the vaccines and the pro-Pharma crowd all claimed this was false... Yet here we are...a country finding millions of their COVID-19 vaccines do have stainless steel and who knows what else...

a reply to: Imperator2

The MSM says the vaxs because they already vaxed 3 Billion already and they said that's the reason its safe? based on early data results what about long term?

I love the 700k+ covid deaths in the USA number that people toss around too

I agree with you they toss it around while ignoring the data. Most of the numbers/deaths came from nursing homes,nursing resident living homes.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: carewemust

Well they have all known that long term effects would be a thing. Why they try and lie about it is beyond me.... for example here is a quote from a Reuters article from JULY 2020! Yes. Way back in JULY 2020 about Astra Zeneca's liability protections...

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com...

So that tells you right there they know it is possible and they have told us it is possible to have long term effects. In their own words. Why brainwashed people keep saying what Fauci says is beyond me. They are telling us right there what it is.

All that your doing here is looking for reason to avoid getting a shot and are grasping at straws.

Fear of the unknown is just desperation. The liberal media has filled your head with fear.

The truth is that the technology in the vax isn't new. It's a decade old, and the long term effects are well known. The mRNA pack in the shot decays at a predictable rate and once it's gone there isn't anything left to cause long term effects. After a month thing stop happening so any damage done is complete and won't be done any more.

He cant tell us the long term effects, because nobody knows..

MRNA is a decades old technology no doubt, but it has never been combined with the proprietary mixture for covid and used as a delivery system for a viral vaccine, at best we have hypotheticals.

That's a logically understandable way to phrase it. Thank-you.

Also concerning is the long term risk of covid itself.

www.nature.com...

It's a long dry read but informative.

Makes for a much more honest representation of risk rather than 99.97% survivability, or 0.03% fatal.

It's not just that maybe 350k plus people have died from covid in the US, it's also that there so many survivors of covid who have had their lives cut short and don't know it yet.

I'd say all the vax efforts, combined together, at their worst, will NEVER equal or outpace the harm of covid itself.

If covid is a bioweapon, it's clearly not meant to kill but maim, in which case it's proving to be immensely successful.

The more it spreads the more "treatments" can be sold. More dialysis, more inhalers, more blood thinners, more psychopharms, more vitamins and supplements.

The less exposure and damage you incur from covid the better off you will be. PERIOD.

Please don't ignore or overlook the long term risks of covid either.

Oops

a reply to: balanc3

If the majority of people who had covid have also had the vaccine how can you attribute symptoms reliably to one or the other? I'll tell you how, using confirmation bias.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thanks for posting that, but it's still just sloppy manufacturing and not something inherent in the vaccine.

I say "just," but I don't intend to minimize it. Whoever is manufacturing these contaminated vials needs to be shut down until the entire facility, every petri dish, container, and utensil is inspected, and anyone complicit is seriously fined and/or worse. There's no excuse for this kind of sloppiness in any medical manufacturing facility.

You may or may not be aware that the extremely high cost of medical equipment is due in no small part to the requirements of the components used in the manufacturing. Every single component must be rated for medical use, individually tested, every module individually tested, and so forth, all the way from the component level to the completed machinery. That is a ton of red tape and expense! I'm not saying it's a bad thing (it isn't), but I am saying if they are going to require that kind of overview on medical equipment, how much more so should there be oversight of medical manufacturing for something that is going to be injected directly into the bodies of millions of people?

I am just pointing out that sloppy manufacturing is likely not what the employees were discussing. I am coming to believe this vaccine is in itself dangerous, sloppy manufacturing or no. Too many reports of blood clots. It's actually gotten me to wondering a few things:

I have also heard that the obese are at higher risk for complications than the non-obese. Cholesterol levels are somewhat correlated with obesity... not a 1:1 direct relationship, mind you (I happen to be a skinny fellow but my triglycerides peaked at over 500), but an obese person is more likely to have higher cholesterol. High cholesterol causes a tendency for blood clots to form (trust you me, I know that little bit of info all too well!). So I am wondering if the biochemical tendency to form blood clots is not the common thread that determines who will or will not have adverse reactions?

If so, I know of two things that minimize blood clotting. The one I use is capsaicin... the stuff that makes hot peppers hot. Turns out it is actually curative for arterial plaque, but it also work very slowly... on the order of years of treatment to make a minor difference. The other is acetic acid, which makes up a good percentage of vinegar... especially apple cider vinegar. Now, that does NOT mean anyone should go drinking a gallon of vinegar a day! That in itself is dangerous. But a lot of foods do contain vinegar, such as dill pickles. A reasonable intake of acetic acid in vinegar may prevent blood clots from forming as easily, although there is no evidence it is curable for those which have already formed.

I have used the capsaicin, not in pill form, but just by indulging my natural affinity for all things fiery. I especially started that indulgence right after I found out just how bad my heart issues were. After a few years of capsaicin ingestion, one of the clots that was bypassed in my heart disappeared (although it also caused another small heart attack before it dissipated away).

But my point is that the key to who is and is not seriously affected may well be a person's tendency to form blood clots, a combination of a biological affinity for high cholesterol levels combined with dietary choices that may minimize such tendencies. For now, it's just an educated guess, but it's better than what we are getting from the pharmaceuticals: no guess, and not even an open admission of an issue.

I will also point out that this would tie back into long-term effects. Blood clots can form rapidly, or they can sit and grow for decades before becoming an issue, like mine did.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Imperator2
a reply to: carewemust


100% agree with the info in the OP.

There are no long term studies on these vaccines. People claiming otherwise are wrong.

The people claiming there are *only* short term potential side effects need to look at their booster shot schedule. I am not sure that anyone knows how a persons body will hold up after booster shot 5, 6, 7 etc.. looks like you may need one every 3 to 6 months for life.

Do short term effects potentially kick in after each one? If so, what effects and at what rate? After a certain number of boosters do we need to worry about long term chronic issues? Oh wait! Noone knows the answer to either of those basic questions.

I love the 700k+ covid deaths in the USA number that people toss around too. I wonder how many of them had covid when they died from a gunshot or from a car accident and are included? How about the number of elderly with influenza and pneumonia? Oh wait! 2020 had next to no cases of influenza or pneumonia! I forgot it took the year off and in no way was used to inflate covid numbers.

This virus is awful, but it is not Ebola. You dont catch it and die unless you get extremely unlucky or have some serious comorbidities. As others have mentioned there are plenty of viable treatments right now. Look at what florida did with monoclonal antibodies and look at what India is doing with ivermectin.

The truth is simple. If the people in charge wanted you to get better they would be trying everything reasonably safe to save you. Instead they are actively avoiding potential treatments and pushing experimental vaccines on you.

After all of the above how the same people can keep coming into each thread to defend this nonsense vaccine is bizarre. Although I must applaud their commitment to being the best boot licker possible for their masters. Well done!

The #1 goal of pharmaceutical and medical providers is to generate repeat customers.

Long-term Cancer treatments are better than a Cancer cure. (People really bought in to President Obama tasking VP Biden with curing Cancer! It was dubbed the "Cancer Moon Shot" at the time.)

Frequent Boosters are a big money maker too. Especially if the Federal Government continues covering the cost, or the Government begins telling Insurance Companies they must cover the cost.

Lose those revenue streams, and Booster-mania dies on the vine.

With or without booster-shots, Covid-19 will settle into "endemic" mode, just like the Flu, H1N1, Hepatitis, Pneumonia, etc.. It will be just another virus amongst many.

In a country where 7,700 people die every single day of the year, 3% more is not noticeable to the average American.

originally posted by: carewemust
Tuesday, September 28, 2021

--You've got THE WHITE HOUSE exempting top staffers from having to take the Covid-19 vaccine. (This exemption is extraordinary, considering how close these employees are to President Biden and VP Harris on a daily basis!)

What difference does it make to Biden and Harris if someone close to them is not vaccinated? Other than the obvious that both Biden and Harris, (both vaccinated) could in effect unknowingly pass on Covid to those who wish to remain unvaxxed.

a reply to: balanc3

Please don't ignore or overlook the long term risks of covid either.

Oh, I agree!

It has been pointed out that the spike protein is (so far as we know now) the same protein that exists on the virus. Since a virus is self-replicating and a protein is not, that would seem to indicate that the vaccine would still be far preferable to the virus.

However, one point that keeps sticking in my head: the virus itself is a respiratory virus. It's not a blood virus. It infects respiratory cells primarily and is optimized for that purpose. In the lungs, a virus or protein cannot induce blood clotting, because it is not in the bloodstream. There is a barrier there, albeit a very thin one. Now, if the lungs become damaged to the point that there may be internal bleeding, even if on a very minor, unoticeable scale, and a person is placed on a ventilator, that all changes. A ventilator is providing positive air pressure to the lungs during one part of its cycle. That positive pressure on already damaged lungs with blood seepage would drive anything in the lungs (virus particles and proteins) into the blood supply. At that point, the clotting would begin to be an issue.

I think it is quite likely that the above explanation is the base reason why so many people placed on ventilators with this disease end up dying.

The vaccine, however, is injected directly into an area where it can easily make contact with the blood supply. Therefore, if the spike protein is the reason for the clotting we are seeing in some people, then the vaccine is actually giving recipients a small dose of the worst the virus has to offer. And that problem can go unnoticed for decades.

In other words, here's my personal assessment on the risk factors, based on what I am using as a hypothesis at this time:



Worst case:

The virus infects a person and manages to cross the lung-blood barrier, providing a self-replicating toxin in the form of the spike protein.

Better case:

A person takes the vaccines and receives a limited supply of the spike protein into their blood stream. Complications can range from almost immediate for those with clotting issues already, to requiring decades for those with no acute clotting issues, to no effect for those resistant to clotting.

Even better case:

A person is infected by the virus but fights it off without compromising the blood-lung barrier. The risk there is should there be a break in the barrier later on while the protein is still in the lungs. Even then, the exposure would be the same or less than with the vaccine.

Best case (of course):

A person never gets the virus or the vaccine and no spike proteins exist in their body (which is actually unlikely)

Which leads back to my original position on the vaccine: it's a personal risk assessment. The problem is that it is being touted as 100% safe, and it is becoming obvious that is not the case. There are risks, just as there are risks to every medication known to mankind.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Let’s do a little comparison.

Population of Ghana: 30 million
Covid deaths: 1200
Vaccination % of population: 1-2%
Overall mortality: unchanged and in line with average

Population of UK: 67 million
Covid deaths: 136,000
Vaccination % of population: 82%
Overall mortality: up 10-20%

They must have some healthcare system in Ghana. Think about it, countries with abject poverty, poor education and healthcare system with no mandates are suffering less than the developed world.

Old age and Obesity are the main health risks for covid. How many old fat Ghanaians have you ever met?

originally posted by: McGinty

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: carewemust

So, a couple of big pharma guys are anti vaxxers, big deal.

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Bias, yes, but due to science and logic. My bias is justified.

Just listen to some of the claims being made, they're literally crazy. They make no sense and can't be backed up by science.

Can you find me one shred of evidence to back them up?

They don't even attempt to justify their own claims.

On the other hand we do know that there are anti vaxxers in all kinds of professional positions.Kay Shemirani, for example. Being in big pharma does not automatically make you pro vax.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: carewemust

Well they have all known that long term effects would be a thing. Why they try and lie about it is beyond me.... for example here is a quote from a Reuters article from JULY 2020! Yes. Way back in JULY 2020 about Astra Zeneca's liability protections...

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com...

So that tells you right there they know it is possible and they have told us it is possible to have long term effects. In their own words. Why brainwashed people keep saying what Fauci says is beyond me. They are telling us right there what it is.

All that your doing here is looking for reason to avoid getting a shot and are grasping at straws.

Fear of the unknown is just desperation. The liberal media has filled your head with fear.

The truth is that the technology in the vax isn't new. It's a decade old, and the long term effects are well known. The mRNA pack in the shot decays at a predictable rate and once it's gone there isn't anything left to cause long term effects. After a month thing stop happening so any damage done is complete and won't be done any more.

You apparently know nothing about pharmacology, bro. These are novel experimental treatments that would usually fall under ATMP regulation. How they managed to sneak them in as vaccines, at the same time causing all dictionaries to change the definition of such is beyond me.