Secretly Recorded - Pharma Officials Gravely Concerned About Covid-19 Vaccines LT Dangers.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

99.99 percent of scientists say that this is safe,

Are they those who have conflict of interests?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

What are you babbling about? You gave an idiotic comparison in your initial post then followed it up with frothy mouth full of proverbial BS.

The fact you seem to think a vaccine is needed for a virus with a 99.98% survival rate with average symptoms being a mild fever and fatigue for less than a week exposes your shill side. Couple that with the fact that more than 80% of those seriously affected are over the age of 65 which are similar rates regarding any illness in that age group.

Forget your humorous attempt at justifying a vaccine that has zero long term data and remember that if your upper respiratory snake oil vaccines are so effective then explain why for 50 years upper respiratory infections have maintained their top 10 spot on causes of death while vaccines designed to combat them have been around just as long.

If they are so effective why did we have the largest TB outbreak worldwide in 2018 where 1.8 billion people were affected? Because your vaccines are sooooo effective right?

If flu vaccines are soooooo effective why is the flu still in the top 10 causes of death? Hmmmmmm? Tough one to figure out, right? Because they don't work. They are nothing more than snake oil revenue streams designed for the gullible like you. Hurry along and line up now for your "booster" shot. Your god emperor Fauci commands you. And double mask and lock yourself inside with your hyperventilating irrational fear.

lol

EDIT: "99.99% of scientists" LMFAO!!! Don't be late for your flat Earth convention!

a reply to: carewemust

we must care it.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Oh, I do get to brush it off, because this a small group of kooks saying things that are easy to debunk.

I'm curious how you expect to debunk something that hasn't happened yet.

The vaccine itself, in its entirety, spike protein, mRNA technology, inert ingredients, the whole thing, has existed for less than a year. That's a historical fact. One year ago, it was not possible to get the vaccine. So there is no way anyone can say with certainty that it is "safe" for time periods in excess of a year.

If they are to be believed, a lot of talking heads think it is safe. That's not evidence, though. It's opinion. Funny thing about opinions; they do not control reality. Everyone on the planet could decide that they "believe" the sun revolves around the earth; wouldn't make it so.

99.99 percent of scientists say that this is safe, and most of the ones who don't have a long history of being anti vaxxers or supporting fringe conspiracies so they have exactly zero credibility.

No, they don't. Not buying it, and you can't prove it.

Even if you could, 100% of scientists saying something still doesn't make it so! Science is not a democracy! Please, please, please, if you get nothing else from your years on ATS, please get that part straight! Science is a search for truth, not a voting booth!

All you are doing by spreading such obviously fabricated opinions and spurious assertions is destroying your own case. Most scientist may believe it is safe, but no scientist knows how safe it is and certainly not 999 out of every thousand!

I'll tell you what. You set a date by which the shot should be proved safe or dangerous.

OK, on one condition: you guarantee me that no matter what happens, I can be healed of any possible malady that may occur and become unvaccinated if I choose to do so. Otherwise, I am not risking my health just to take a bet on your opinions.

That's the bottom line, after all. Once the injection is made, it cannot be taken back. It's done. Finished. No do-overs. If something goes wrong after that, it's just too damn bad. "99.9%" of scientists changing their opinions makes no difference at that point.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

99.99 percent of scientists say that this is safe,

Do you have a link?

To what?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: carewemust
In situations like this the majority is usually right. When 99.99 percent of scientists say the shot is safe then it probably is, and that 0.01 percent is just a lunatic fringe that goes squatching at the weekend

You do realize there have been times, even in recent history, where the majority were incorrect... right? Most notably, tobacco. For years "everyone" thought it was safe to consume. Only a very small minority thought otherwise, the "crazies", if you will. Eventually the truth came out. Tobacco is not safe, and never was. That doctors/lawyers/legislators/etc (I.e. those people whom the majority trust) were paid to endorse it.

Not saying this is the case with covid vaccines, however we also have no long term health studies from which to draw conclusions either.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

99.99 percent of scientists say that this is safe,

Do you have a link?

To what?

A link for your claim:

99.99 percent of scientists say that this is safe

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: MerkabaTribeEntity

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Ah yes. Like this crazy anti-vaxxer from Astra Zeneca who thinks there will possibly be effects years down the road. I mean, Fauci said it only lasts 15 minutes so he must be right. How would the actual manufacturer of the pharmaceutical know how it works? Wow. The gall of this guy.

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com...

Big pharma is... Well... Its big. You get all kinds of people, some of them are anti vaxxers who brought into the fear just like you did. When 99 people say that the vax is safe and one person tells you that the lizard people are beaming waves into their head, you listen to the 99 people who aren't screaming hysterical that the sky is falling.

I can't even begin to tell you how pathetic of an effort that was at a rebuttal, simply pathetic.

Second line, and all that.

Pathetic.

...And sad.

What is pathetic is that people like you keep moving the goalposts in order to justify your opposition. You've become so invested in hating the shot that as each argument is debunked you cling to sillier and sillier ones.

You wanted it FDA approved, now it is FDA approved, and you move the goalposts again. How long will you keep saying that you want more trials. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? When is going to be enough for you?

Hundreds of millions of people have been vaxxed for over a year now. If there were going to be any long term side effects we'd have seen them starting to emerge by now. In fact, since the shot was given to the oldest and most vulnerable first, they'd be dropping like flies if it were dangerous.

Let me remind you who started this. It was the liberal media, saying that Trump was rushing the vax, and that he was disregarding safety protocols in order to get it out before the elections.

Do you honestly think that Trump would poison you with a vax?

It’s not fully approved. The comirnaty by BioNTech is “fully approved” but oddly not released to the public yet. All Pfizer Covid vaccines are still labeled EUA only.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: carewemust

Well they have all known that long term effects would be a thing. Why they try and lie about it is beyond me.... for example here is a quote from a Reuters article from JULY 2020! Yes. Way back in JULY 2020 about Astra Zeneca's liability protections...

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

www.reuters.com...

So that tells you right there they know it is possible and they have told us it is possible to have long term effects. In their own words. Why brainwashed people keep saying what Fauci says is beyond me. They are telling us right there what it is.

All that your doing here is looking for reason to avoid getting a shot and are grasping at straws.

Fear of the unknown is just desperation. The liberal media has filled your head with fear.

The truth is that the technology in the vax isn't new. It's a decade old, and the long term effects are well known. The mRNA pack in the shot decays at a predictable rate and once it's gone there isn't anything left to cause long term effects. After a month thing stop happening so any damage done is complete and won't be done any more.

Without proof, white papers or other scientific evidence, it seems you are the one grasping at straws. You took the shot and don't want to be alone in the experiment. Not only do you not want to be alone, you are so bitter that you want to force as many people that refuse the experiment so they actually suffer along with you.

You sound like your typical sheep. Easily lead and ready and willing to force your will on your fellow man. We saw this in the 1930's. Nothing new with that modus operandi..

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: carewemust

So, a couple of big pharma guys are anti vaxxers, big deal. Some of them are flat earthers too, there are even some pedophiles in big pharma. They're not that hard to find.

It's like rocket scientists who believe in flying saucers, biologists who are also creationists, or computer programmers who think Alexa isn't spying on them. Smart people can be wrong some times.

In situations like this the majority is usually right. When 99.99 percent of scientists say the shot is safe then it probably is, and that 0.01 percent is just a lunatic fringe that goes squatching at the weekend

Trouble is, 99.9% do not agree. You are talking about "government medical experts" against thousands of doctors across the world. The ones who DO agree with your "99.9%" never questioned anything, haven't seen the data, and are too lazy to look.

originally posted by: thebtheb

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: carewemust

So, a couple of big pharma guys are anti vaxxers, big deal. Some of them are flat earthers too, there are even some pedophiles in big pharma. They're not that hard to find.

It's like rocket scientists who believe in flying saucers, biologists who are also creationists, or computer programmers who think Alexa isn't spying on them. Smart people can be wrong some times.

In situations like this the majority is usually right. When 99.99 percent of scientists say the shot is safe then it probably is, and that 0.01 percent is just a lunatic fringe that goes squatching at the weekend

Trouble is, 99.9% do not agree. You are talking about "government medical experts" against thousands of doctors across the world. The ones who DO agree with your "99.9%" never questioned anything, haven't seen the data, and are too lazy to look.

Where do you get "99.9% do not agree" from?

Also, please back up your apparent opinion that:-

'The ones who DO agree with your "99.9%" never questioned anything, haven't seen the data, and are too lazy to look'.

That seems to just be your unsubstantiated opinion?

Based on what, may I ask?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Where do you get "99.9% do not agree" from?

Well, it is anecdotal, but I personally know 2 doctors around here who do not agree the vaccine is proven safe. Now, if 99.9% say it is, as you claim, then those 2 doctors would need to be offset by 1998 others who do say it is safe.

This area does not even have 2000 doctors! We don't even have 200 doctors! Maybe 20!

And that is assuming that they happen to be the only two who do not believe the vaccine has been proven safe. I think it is a reasonable assumption that I didn't just happen upon the only two doctors in the area to feel that way.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but I haven't seen you put up anything to support your statistic.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Where do you get "99.9% do not agree" from?

Well, it is anecdotal, but I personally know 2 doctors around here who do not agree the vaccine is proven safe. Now, if 99.9% say it is, as you claim, then those 2 doctors would need to be offset by 1998 others who do say it is safe.

This area does not even have 2000 doctors! We don't even have 200 doctors! Maybe 20!

And that is assuming that they happen to be the only two who do not believe the vaccine has been proven safe. I think it is a reasonable assumption that I didn't just happen upon the only two doctors in the area to feel that way.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but I haven't seen you put up anything to support your statistic.

TheRedneck

Ahem. You have not seen anything put up by me to support my "statistic" for the simple reason, it wasn't mine. It was another poster's.

I was replying to a different poster's claim, by the way, which I thought should have been perfectly clear to anyone?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Let's say... 10 percent of vaxxed people are killed by it, or maybe 20 percent suffer an injury requiring a month to recover. And its published by fox and one large European news group.

Deal?

How about we say, instead; 1.5% of people are killed by the vaxx, and 8.2% are injured enough to require hospitalization, AND, the publisher of said data is the CDC? We can set the date to today if ya like.

Deal? ... ... ... we're waiting.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Hello, Moderna shill.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

By Jiminy Crisket's left eyeball, you're right! AaarghZombie made that claim, not you. I guess I got confused when you defended it. My bad.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Ook33
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Hello, Moderna shill.

Careful there, Ook. I made the exact same point a few pages back and got removed

How much is big pharmacy paying you to shill? Hopefully not a lot, because you’re terrible at it. Show me some statistics regarding your claims? You know that 99.9% of all scientists have been polled on this matter?? Funny because 99.9% of scientists aren’t experts in this field.
a reply to: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

By Jiminy Crisket's left eyeball, you're right! AaarghZombie made that claim, not you. I guess I got confused when you defended it. My bad.

TheRedneck

Defended it? I just asked. A question of another poster.

Still, never mind.

I do like you though. Mostly.

originally posted by: antmax21
How much is big pharmacy paying you to shill? Hopefully not a lot, because you’re terrible at it. Show me some statistics regarding your claims? You know that 99.9% of all scientists have been polled on this matter?? Funny because 99.9% of scientists aren’t experts in this field.
a reply to: AaarghZombies

At the risk of you calling me a "shill", may I ask you to post a source for this 99.9% thing?

Thanks in advance.