It's ILLOGICAL to think God didn't Create the Universe

a reply to: Grenade

Good luck with this thread, i've banged my head against the wall with atheists too many times to contribute.

Is that a promise?

"Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and all powerful being"

“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.”

Atheists beware, before attacking these quotes you should research their author.

In summary, i agree wholeheartedly with your thread title.

If it was a promise, guess what just happened to it.

There may be those who do not believe in God, or who are on the fence about him that wonder where a man of faith gets his faith. Of course faith is logical, it is based on reason, facts, and evidence. It is not "blind" like they imagine. A child may not understand where air comes from. But just because he cannot see air does not mean that it is not real. We can see the effects of air, such as wind. Wind is an invisible force but we have faith it is real because we have evidence of its existence.

So faith in God is the same. We have evidence of his existence.

Here are a few short talks that I was recently watching I thought I'd share for anyone wishing, giving convincing evidence of God's existence through his creation:

Faith in God's Existence

Oceans

Forests

Wind and Water

Sea Creatures

Our Bodies

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Indeed, proved my point with your childish trolling which offers NOTHING to the thread.

You just answered your own question, literal echo chamber, the natural habitat of an atheist. Lets hope for your sake there's no God and you don't have to answer for your lack of encomium.

Do you intend to contribute to the topic or just here for the usual superfluous denigration of others opinions?

My statement was that i'm unwilling to debate atheists as it's a futile endeavour, similarly religious zealots, they're equally as stubborn and fanatical.

It is illogical that God also made Satan, so he could have Battle that would be legendary, destroy much of the Earth.

Been studying hebrew basics with the bible little bit and the seven first words should be translated more like In a beginning God created heavens and the earth, im thinking from this that there is no "the" beginning for the God is everlasting, Existing One, Spirit.
Also heavens, another way of translating it is SkyWaters, so there you have the waters that are mentioned in the next verse.
Another also, third word Elohim is translated as Gods but in more depth look from hebrew it can be translated for something like Behold Strong Shepherd controls the Waters.
But there are also much more depth when we research the words, letters, numbers these ways, im just poorly skilled in english and hebrew to give much more detailed look into this research but il add the keywords for few videos to continue the job.
Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

"links"
Channel Youtube: John Kostik
Genesis 1:1 Time, Space & Matter
Genesis 1:1 The Hebrew Aleph Bet
Genesis 1:1 Aleph Tav
Jesus in Genesis: 1. The First Word of the Bible
Jesus in Genesis: 2. The 2nd and 3rd Words of the Bible

Awesome topic btw

My dad is a genius scientist. He has many titles in several fields. He has been summoned to the Whitehouse before. His favorite thing is math. He told me years ago, that he found evidence of intelligent design, with math.

a reply to: Grenade
Any atheist unwilling to concede the possibility of a creator or "intelligent design" is probably not just an atheist. They are probably something more, or at the least they don't know what an atheist is.

a reply to: neoholographic

That video on synchronization was fascinating.

Don't mutations resonate during adaption with other mutations, if so how are they random and not synchronized?

Great post!

a reply to: visitedbythem

He is correct here is just one example

I've never understood why it can't be both. In that God created the universe and the mechanics that science continues to learn more about don't really conflict.

To get there, I had to view the bible as a narrative that consists of facts, opinions, songs, poetry and guidance inside a canon that's delivered through fallible men but inspired by God within the framework of remaining a mystery with many unanswered questions and yet still offers you the greatest gift to mankind, Jesus and his teachings that love and forgiveness is the most important lesson.

This short temporary physical existence had to reside outside the spiritual universe so physical systems, order, patterns, vibrations all make perfect sense to my mind. Divine intervention proves the rules can be overcome and Jesus himself hinted at the power you truly have outside this intentionally defined and limited existence.

If we get what we believe, I'm happy with my choice.

a reply to: neoholographic

The problem with this is you're moving the goalpost.
If a creator made the universe, he has to be outside, where and what is this outside and who made that?

That is ILLOGICAL because you create an infinite loop.

To OP:

IF there is a creator, it's not going to be any of the ones claimed in your religious text of choice. If you actually were as meticulous in your search as you seem (claim) to be, you would know that.

a reply to: Klassified

I myself cannot help wondering if there isn't something more. And very often I find reasons to think, that there very well may be, and probably is. Something more then we can comprehend, at the moment. My thing is though, that I don't think it's anything that any one particular religion or sect thereof, has all the answers to. The narratives are interesting, and thought provoking, and no doubt offer insight. But for me, they fall into the realm of myths, and symbolism, etc.

Which doesn't make them "wrong". Just wrong in the sense of "truth". If you get my gist.. There is something there, historically, culturally, humanly, a forgotten past, told through stories.. And various cultures and interpretations. Stuff like that. Kinda vague but you get what I'm trying to throw down.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neoholographic

The problem with this is you're moving the goalpost.
If a creator made the universe, he has to be outside, where and what is this outside and who made that?

That is ILLOGICAL because you create an infinite loop.

When I was young, I asked if "god" created us and everything, then who created "god"? I was told that he always was, always is, and always will be. That's the last time I believed in a false "god". Everything is created by something, including this "god" figure. Therefore, he also wouldn't be omnipotent or divine. Unless there are omnipotent beings out there like the Race of "Q" in Star Trek.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Grenade
Any atheist unwilling to concede the possibility of a creator or "intelligent design" is probably not just an atheist.

Intelligent design is absolutely a possibility. But by an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful omnipotent single being? Nope.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

To add on to my previous post.

What is that "more" than? If they aren't all just projections of ourselves, as a human race? Projections of ourselves, and the world outside of us? Storm gods, harvest gods, goddesses of love? Sun worship? The rise and fall.. the tempests? The morning star, and the evening star? Kinda rambling on here now, I apologize.

But the question is still there... despite all our myths and legends, what is the "more"?

Is it ourselves continuing our own projections? Are we the "gods" we seek?

Idk.

Sometimes those simulation theories make a lot of sense too. Am I just an NPC?!

i think where the problem lies is people definition of God.

To me God is pure consciousness.

Science has proven our reality is 99.999 percent empty space. What hold our reality together is consciousness.

I think we can all tap into that consciousness through meditation and/or some hallucinogens and create a reality we like to see through our feelings and our thoughts kind of like a lucid dream or astral projection but on a much denser level.

even Einstein said "reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

a reply to: Paschar0

I've never understood why it can't be both. In that God created the universe and the mechanics that science continues to learn more about don't really conflict.

I'll explaining it to you: the reason for the conflict arises in that in science we study cause and effect. All physical processes are just a sequence of causes and related effects, and all of our maths and reasoning is just a way to unveil those relationships, till we learn causes are also effects of other causes, and so on.

But if you rule out God as a consequence of an effect, then the conflict arises. A true creationist should worry not about non-believers, but on the very concept of creation. You don't need to be a creationist to be a believer, and you don't need to be an atheist to be a scientist.

I, for one, am a deeply religious being, but I refuse to reduce God to the mere role of creating universes. Creating universes is, I guess, a minor task. Making them to work is the definite goal.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
My dad is a genius scientist. He has many titles in several fields. He has been summoned to the Whitehouse before. His favorite thing is math. He told me years ago, that he found evidence of intelligent design, with math.

Yep it's called (the Golden ratio) look into it

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: neoholographic

The Universe is Illogical and chaotic..............

There is no evidence for God and therefore no evidence that he/she/it created it.

That is completely false... lol

Before you speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about...
I would do a little more research first...
if I was you...

Actually...

The universe itself...
all of the "law's of the universe"...
Literally, everything about the universe and everything in it from matter to energy...

It Is all cooperating in complete perfect order,
within logical reasoning

Because all you find within the Universe,
The law's of the universe, physics, math, science biology nature, from quantum particles to the entire cosmos

Within, you'll find nothing but...
patterns, constants, solutions, logic, reason, order,
conditional perfect scenarios.
And the overwhelming manifested evidence of a grand designer/creator

Haven't you ever heard of "the Golden radio"?
Go Look into that a bit,
and then tell me...

The Universe is Illogical and chaotic............

I'm curious... in your opinion...
what makes the universe Illogical and chaotic?

Do you have any evidence
That the universe is Illogical and chaotic?