Big Argument with My Doctor Today Regarding Vaccinating Covid-19 Recoverees.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

I did NOT say 100% effective.

It is clearly not.


I said EVERY study so far indicates that natural antibodies are FAR superior to vax.

And you failed to even try to refute that.

Because you can't.



Nice name calling though.

Is that supposed to accomplish something?

Or are you just frustrated that someone challenged your opinion.

Definition of immature weak mind.

I never once debated that it was in my original OP. You said that in your reply that I said that and that is not true at all. I know that natural immunity is more effective but that does not mean that you should not take you doctors advice. Specifically when they know the OP's health history.

I stand by what I said because you are the one making false assumptions.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

Just noticed that you claim to be a medical professional.

So finding a single legit study claiming vax is superior to natural antibodies should be easier for you, right?


I'll wait.

I have worked in the Healthcare industry for 15 years. Never once have I said that I am a medical professional. I am not a frontline worker and I have seen, throughout our 15 main hospitals, what it has done to our frontline workers, our ED's, our ICU's.

If one lives, for example, in North Carolina with a population of @11million and over the last 18 months have had a total of @14thousand deaths attributed to covid-19 ..please, after you do the math of course, explain why someone young and healthy would get vaccinated.

originally posted by: canucks555

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: carewemust

It’s really getting bizarre how hard they are pushing this fake vaccine.

The reasoning we’ve been hearing from more than one shill is that “Everyone needs to get the vaccine to protect the vaccinated”
That includes three of the biggest shills out there, Biden, Harris and Fauci.

What does that even mean? Take the vaccine to protect the vaccinated when you can still catch the Vid while vaccinated???

I don’t know what the F is going on with this but the harder they push this, the more bizarre it is.

How is it Bizarre?
The vaccine protects you to the point of you not going into the Hospital (being sick and using up recourses human and financial)

What's not to get?

You stay unvaxed because of political reasons, not medical.
I think that's utterly weak and also pathetic.

originally posted by: mblahnikluver

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

His doctor is being very unprofessional! She sounds like she should be a pharmaceutical sales rep not a doctor. I bet she makes a nice buck off of everyone she injects. She is trying to gaslight him into getting something he has clearly stated he doesn't want nor need. I had a doctor just like her and I left after the first visit. I bet she too would be trying to push this vaccine on me and I am sure her 'scare' tactics work on many people.

If I were the OP I would find a new doctor.

lol, here it is folks. Doctors are now bad for you because they don't care about your well being.

Yes OP, in all honesty, if you feel this way then you should look elsewhere.

I've seen nothing conclusive to state that either is superior.

I'd be interested in anything you have though.

What do studies show about contracting covid 19 after vaccination? Does that improve your immunity as if so that seems like a better option than just getting the virus and dealing with it naked.



a reply to: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: nonspecific
All medical studies?

That's a rather bold statement.


a reply to: Nunyabizisit

I haven't found ANY that indicates vax is superior

Have you?



Bold statement is intentional.

I am daring you to link to one indicating that vax is superior.

www.cdc.gov...

These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

This is why OP's doc and many others are still recommending you get the vaccine.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

I did NOT say 100% effective.

It is clearly not.


I said EVERY study so far indicates that natural antibodies are FAR superior to vax.

And you failed to even try to refute that.

Because you can't.



Nice name calling though.

Is that supposed to accomplish something?

Or are you just frustrated that someone challenged your opinion.

Definition of immature weak mind.

I never once debated that it was in my original OP. You said that in your reply that I said that and that is not true at all. I know that natural immunity is more effective but that does not mean that you should not take you doctors advice. Specifically when they know the OP's health history.

I stand by what I said because you are the one making false assumptions.

And if you use your reading comprehension skills you would clearly see that my first response ASKED if that was what you are claiming.

I was hoping that you would respond with NO, or a reason why you said what you did.

Instead of scorn & name calling.


I mostly agree with your most recent post.

But still question why his gp was pushing so hard vax to someone that already has natural antibodies.

There does't appear to be ANY studies that say this is proper.

And OP doesn't indicate any unique health issues.

So why did doctor do this?

Politics?

Profit?

Or because a fascist told her to?

I would like to know.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

Just noticed that you claim to be a medical professional.

So finding a single legit study claiming vax is superior to natural antibodies should be easier for you, right?


I'll wait.

I have worked in the Healthcare industry for 15 years. Never once have I said that I am a medical professional. I am not a frontline worker and I have seen, throughout our 15 main hospitals, what it has done to our frontline workers, our ED's, our ICU's.

Then why did you specify that in your post?

Was it to fool someone into thinking that your claims were more credible than everyone else's?


But thank you for whatever you do in the healthcare industry.

Hey Care....
In regards to your browbeating doctor.
If and when you see her again, suggest to her she should visit ATS.
She’ll fit right in.....😆


a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

I did NOT say 100% effective.

It is clearly not.


I said EVERY study so far indicates that natural antibodies are FAR superior to vax.

And you failed to even try to refute that.

Because you can't.



Nice name calling though.

Is that supposed to accomplish something?

Or are you just frustrated that someone challenged your opinion.

Definition of immature weak mind.

I never once debated that it was in my original OP. You said that in your reply that I said that and that is not true at all. I know that natural immunity is more effective but that does not mean that you should not take you doctors advice. Specifically when they know the OP's health history.

I stand by what I said because you are the one making false assumptions.

And if you use your reading comprehension skills you would clearly see that my first response ASKED if that was what you are claiming.

I was hoping that you would respond with NO, or a reason why you said what you did.

Instead of scorn & name calling.


I mostly agree with your most recent post.

But still question why his gp was pushing so hard vax to someone that already has natural antibodies.

There does't appear to be ANY studies that say this is proper.

And OP doesn't indicate any unique health issues.

So why did doctor do this?

Politics?

Profit?

Or because a fascist told her to?

I would like to know.

Sorry about calling you a troll. I get fired up sometimes and I should not have done that.

The job of his doctor is to do what they think is best for the OP's health. Especially if they have had a good long relationship. Sometimes docs care too much about their patients.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: mblahnikluver

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

His doctor is being very unprofessional! She sounds like she should be a pharmaceutical sales rep not a doctor. I bet she makes a nice buck off of everyone she injects. She is trying to gaslight him into getting something he has clearly stated he doesn't want nor need. I had a doctor just like her and I left after the first visit. I bet she too would be trying to push this vaccine on me and I am sure her 'scare' tactics work on many people.

If I were the OP I would find a new doctor.

lol, here it is folks. Doctors are now bad for you because they don't care about your well being.

Yes OP, in all honesty, if you feel this way then you should look elsewhere.

I understand and sympathize with your point. Yes, we all want to trust our doctors to deliver medical care to us.

Sadly, the AMA and the entire mainstream medical industry (yes, they make $ as they are entitled to do) has pretty much defecated on the Hippocratic Oath and its principles, marching in lockstep with Pharma and Fauci.

Many people now realize that. So what's happened is a huge loss of faith in the medical profession. They have sold their souls to pharma and Fauci.

The good ones who have spoken out, Dr. Peter McCullough as but one example, have been punished by AMA and the various state medical boards, including loss of license.

How can they be respected? They cannot.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
OP thanks for sharing your story but your doctor is right. For those of us that work in the Healthcare system we have seen this quite often though it is still considered rare.

You should be thankful that, if true, they "argued" with you about what's best for your health. You've been going to this doctor for a while (1992 unless this was sarcasm) so it seems you have trust in this doctor.

Again be thankful that they are still doing their job and they are still going to recommend what they think is the best for you.

My doctor says I should diet but I don't listen lol, I love food.

Are you trying to claim that the vax is superior to the natural antibodies that he ALREADY has?

Funny that.

There are ZERO studies that claim what you just claimed.

And MANY that claim the exact opposite.


So are you trying to say that his doctor knows better than every study completed to date?

Instead of mindlessly following the fascist democrat's orders to push the vax?


Sounds pretty absurd to me.

lol point that out where I said that. I did not state that at all.

I simply stated that we have seen cases where someone who got it, got it again. So just because you have the natural immunity it does not mean you are 100% safe.

Go sensationalize somewhere else you #ing troll.

Just noticed that you claim to be a medical professional.

So finding a single legit study claiming vax is superior to natural antibodies should be easier for you, right?


I'll wait.

I have worked in the Healthcare industry for 15 years. Never once have I said that I am a medical professional. I am not a frontline worker and I have seen, throughout our 15 main hospitals, what it has done to our frontline workers, our ED's, our ICU's.

Then why did you specify that in your post?

Was it to fool someone into thinking that your claims were more credible than everyone else's?


But thank you for whatever you do in the healthcare industry.

The reason I state that is because a lot of people do not take this serious and they think its one big lying agenda. I've seen it, I've lived it, and I'm not going with the status quo here of ATS and going to be silent about what I see and have experienced.

Look I completely understand the falsehoods that people may have in this entire thing. It's not like I went out and got vaccinated right away because I had my concerns as well. I am very fortunate to have several doctor friends and other doctors that I work with that know a hell of a lot more than I do about this. Having discussions with them led me to having trust in what I was putting in my body. But I will tell you, that while every single doctor I've associated with and talked with this about (7 in total), it's not like they all 100% agree on everything either. They have different views, different opinions on this stuff as much as we do.

Had my first physical in a number of years yesterday and to my surprise, I was not asked if I was vaccinated or not. Of course I got asked that group of questions about feeling sick or in contact with others who were sick or had been out of the country. I honestly was a bit surprised they weren't pushing the vaccination.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: mblahnikluver

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

His doctor is being very unprofessional! She sounds like she should be a pharmaceutical sales rep not a doctor. I bet she makes a nice buck off of everyone she injects. She is trying to gaslight him into getting something he has clearly stated he doesn't want nor need. I had a doctor just like her and I left after the first visit. I bet she too would be trying to push this vaccine on me and I am sure her 'scare' tactics work on many people.

If I were the OP I would find a new doctor.

lol, here it is folks. Doctors are now bad for you because they don't care about your well being.

Yes OP, in all honesty, if you feel this way then you should look elsewhere.

I understand and sympathize with your point. Yes, we all want to trust our doctors to deliver medical care to us.

Sadly, the AMA and the entire mainstream medical industry (yes, they make $ as they are entitled to do) has pretty much defecated on the Hippocratic Oath and its principles, marching in lockstep with Pharma and Fauci.

Many people now realize that. So what's happened is a huge loss of faith in the medical profession. They have sold their souls to pharma and Fauci.

The good ones who have spoken out, Dr. Peter McCullough as but one example, have been punished by AMA and the various state medical boards, including loss of license.

How can they be respected? They cannot.

I live the Midwest and sure we have some grade A asshole docs but dang there are a lot that really care for their patients. I'd hate to see what it is on either coasts but I do have faith and trust in our docs though I can understand why some may not.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: nonspecific
All medical studies?

That's a rather bold statement.


a reply to: Nunyabizisit

I haven't found ANY that indicates vax is superior

Have you?



Bold statement is intentional.

I am daring you to link to one indicating that vax is superior.

www.cdc.gov...

These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

This is why OP's doc and many others are still recommending you get the vaccine.

Thank you for that link.

I have seen it before.


That study was done in February, and used an assumed vaccine effectiveness of 94%, as comparison to unvaxed.

Now do the same math with what we now know about vaccine effectiveness.

(Closing in on 65% here, and 50% in highly vaxed countries)

It would no longer support CDCs propaganda.


Makes me curious why they suddenly terminated the study 3 months early on April 30, just as the data was starting to turn so bad that the failure was becoming obvious.

Because vaxxed in the study were now reaching their 3 month mark.

Even more curious that the VERY NEXT DAY after terminating this study with data suddenly going sideways, the CDC ordered hospitals to stop reporting 'breakthrough' cases, which continues to this day.

So that independent analysis would be impossible going forward.



Better than nothing.

But not all that convincing.

a reply to: sunkuong

Data, sh-mada. Thank you...I've been trying to get thru....to these people...who call 911 to their homes and businesses...and we respond

No vax talk, no woo-woo...we mask up, gloves....and go save you n your kids.
Think about this from a Responder... neither face mask, or people vax....we don't care.

I can't. I assess you, secure you, treat or transport.

Now...as I fill our I R. out...There was no bearing on response methods, timing and spec. people and protocol. Zero. Masks. Gloves.

Everyday, every patient, no matter. It's really simple.

Responders don't care...if you don't. We still have to expose ourselves....to save all you 911 callers.

I will. No question. I can't not help ...just because youre sterily-stupid.

So, 40 yrs Er response to your homes. Only ..masks n gloves.

People are missing this most basic premise.

We.dont.care about your decision. We just have to treat you.

And on...data or not...the spot, no matter, few questions

a reply to: HawkeyeNation


Thank you for that.

I don't trigger, get hurt feelings, or hold grudges, so no harm done.

And your apology sets an excellent example for others.

I honestly appreciate that.

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

The driving point for me is that I don't see how an MD with a conscience can possibly recommend a patient having graphene oxide and other toxins injected into his body.

ESPECIALLY considering that with 8 months+ of data showing the shots don't work.

ESPECIALLY considering that they are dangerous to all and fatal to many, and harmful to hundreds of thousands.

I don't live in an Ivory Tower, but I personally knew nobody who died from the actual virus (if it exists), but during these last 6 months I know 6 people who have died from the shot.

originally posted by: sunkuong
No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

Or... it sounds to me like Care has decided to take full personal responsibility for their own health.

Good on ya, Care my friend!

Your comment suggests that you believe GPs are not people, subject to biases, bad information, and just flat being wrong.

Most Doctors are very, extremely wrong when it comes to treating chronic disease. Period.

originally posted by: carewemust

Dr. Devinder tried to vaccinate me against Covid-19 back in February, but wasn't as "determined' as she was today. You'd think there's a contest going in the medical community that awards huge prizes to doctors who can get the most people vaccinated.

Bottom Line: There is potentially something very wrong with these vaccines, but due to the huge $$$ they generate for so many individuals, their potential dangers are only recognized in the form of official vaccine waivers for VIPs in society.

-CareWeMust

Your doctor is evil and most likely possessed. I would bring some holy water the next time to check. If she is not possessed she is working directly with Evil Pharma, so still evil and gets a raffle ticket for 100 million dollars each time she gets a sucker to take the vaccine.