Big Argument with My Doctor Today Regarding Vaccinating Covid-19 Recoverees.

originally posted by: nonspecific
As far as I was aware the figures quoted were the raw numbers before any investigation had taken place, are you saying this is not the case?

The numbers of vaers have already been filtered?

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

That is my understanding from reading about the process, but now that you mention it, would be nice if someone in the industry could confirm or debunk.

a reply to: carewemust

Time to Shop for a new doctor, see you are the costumer, they are the providers, soo you have the right to disagree at any time and find somebody else.

a reply to: carewemust

Dr. Devinder tried to vaccinate me against Covid-19 back in February, but wasn't as "determined' as she was today. You'd think there's a contest going in the medical community that awards huge prizes to doctors who can get the most people vaccinated.

I don't know about a prize per se but I do recall reading some form of compensation being offered to facilities who meet the covid patient quota and are "awarded" some form of incentive. So yes.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: carewemust

It is your prerogative to seek a second opinion.

If I was in doubt, I would have after her first attempt to give me the experimental vaccine.

But the Science is clear and supported by real-world results.

So I'll just continue to exercise my freedom (while we can), and decline to be injected.

Sure. That is also your prerogative.

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

My mom died of cancer 3 years ago. There were other complications involved. Her first doctor gave really bad advice for her care. Thankfully my dad ignored it. It took THREE doctors to get the correct care.

Why would anyone just take what a doctor says just because they are a doctor? QUESTION EVERYTHING.

a reply to: carewemust

Way to go, sir!

I'm really not going to read through all of the comments, most of which will be like me and applaud you while I'm sure there will be the notable Pfizer Phans appealing to authority and using ad hominems to tell you how much dumber you are than a doctor, but I just wanted to say that you did well, and might want to consider finding a new doctor.

If there are patients waiting for her who appreciate her advice, there are also other doctors out there who appreciate having well-informed patients.

originally posted by: canucks555
The vaccine protects you to the point of you not going into the Hospital (being sick and using up recourses human and financial)

Incorrect. It lowers one's probability of being hospitalized, but there are plenty of vaccinated people who have and will ended up in a hospital due to COVID symptoms. Why would you lie about that?

You stay unvaxed because of political reasons, not medical.

There are plenty of valid scientifically and medically based reasons to avoid getting the vaccination. Why would you lie about that and assume that it's only political?

Well my mother and sister fully vaccinated were sick for the 14 day period. Being vaccinated won’t prevent that.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

The pressure to get vaccinated is way too high across the board, for a disease that has a small mortality rate of 2/10th of 1% of the U.S. population over the past 19 months.

Chances of moderate to severe illness are significantly greater than that.

I didn't get vaccinated because I'm afraid of dying of COVID.
I didn't get a flu vaccine because I'm afraid of dying of flu.
I didn't get my last tetanus booster because I'm afraid of dying of tetanus.

I got vaccinated because I don't want to be sick for a week or more, or hospitalized.

My wife’s mother passed of cancer, I only briefly met her in hospice it was shocking to say the least. The doctors were horrible and as soon as she started chemo she lost her will to live. My wife will never forgive for their callousness and poor and impersonal care.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

My mom died of cancer 3 years ago. There were other complications involved. Her first doctor gave really bad advice for her care. Thankfully my dad ignored it. It took THREE doctors to get the correct care.

Why would anyone just take what a doctor says just because they are a doctor? QUESTION EVERYTHING.

a reply to: carewemust

Your doctor is a saleswoman, plain and simple. She was instructed to upsell the new product.

I went to the doc today for routine this and thats. My experience was complete opposite the OP's.

My doc didn't say a word about the C19 vaccine, but said I am now of age for the shingles vaccine. I hadn't really given that one any thought. Suppose it's time I learn about that one. Other than C19 jab, I've not had an opportunity to make a choice about vaccines since I retired. Prior to, I just got whatever Uncle Air Force said to.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Hope it works out for your kids. There are some real nasty viruses out there BTW...

Yes, there are some nasty viruses... and none of the real nasties have any jabs for them.

But I'm not worried about it. Anything any of us might get is easily remedied using natural means, and if something comes along that doesn't respond to the the heavy hitters (high dose IV Vit C and/or IV ozone) - well, when it's your time, it's your time, ain't none of us gettin out of this clown/freak show alive.

Incidentally, there are no known viruses that high dose IV Vit C cannot deal with, especially if taken early. None.

Vit C is also a potent anti-toxin for virtually every known toxin out known (including the nastiest snake and/or spider bites) - again, if taken in time.

originally posted by: bastion
originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
"I am daring you to link to one indicating that vax is superior."

There's quite a few.

Antibodies elicited by mRNA-1273 vaccination bind more broadly to the receptor binding domain than do those from SARS-CoV-2 infection

Really? A 'study' funded the the NIAID and the Gates Foundation?

Thanks, but I'll take a hard pass.

From the linked 'study':

"Funding: This study was funded by the NIAID, NIH (R01AI141707 and R01AI127893 to J.D.B., T32AI083203 to A.J.G., and F30AI149928 to K.H.D.C.); the Gates Foundation (INV-004949 to J.D.B. and INV-016575 to H.Y.C.); an Emergent Ventures Award (to H.Y.C.); the NIH Office of Research Infrastructure Programs S10OD028685 (to the Scientific Computing Infrastructure at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center); and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (to J.D.B.). T.N.S. is a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Fellow of the Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation (DRG-2381-19). The mRNA-1273 phase 1 study was sponsored and primarily funded by the NIAID, NIH. This trial has been funded in part with federal funds from the NIAID under grant awards UM1AI148373, to Kaiser Washington; UM1AI148576, UM1AI148684, and NIH P51 OD011132, to Emory University; and NIH AID AI149644, and contract award HHSN272201500002C, to Emmes. Funding for the manufacture of mRNA-1273 phase 1 material was provided by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation.

When a doctor says natural immunity is not a a superior as an induced immunity... they obviously biased in their approach. a reply to: vonclod

a reply to: carewemust

Ooofff, your Dr isn't that good wasting all that time on you, while you try and tell them how to do their job and use arguments based on data that you don't really understand. They must love you at that clinic. I'd be grinding my teeth if you were a patient of mine. 1 in 500 US residents have died of this virus so far, and I reckon a lot of them might have called you stupid in their dying moments as they begged for help and regretted their decisions. You have been lucky. You might not be in future. Vent all you like on this forum (where a lot of people are inclined to agree); it's just a shame that it is so pointless in the long run.

I'm sure all the nurses across the country walking off the job because they don't want to get the "vaccine" are purely doing it for political reasons right? Not because they know more about COVID and the vaccine than any of you.

a reply to: carewemust


Fire Your Doctor.... These GP's and most Doctors these days are nothing more than Drug Pushers that wear a white lab coat.

Seriously... Traditional Doctors and Medicine sucks....

The Whackcine is complete poison and not what the Govt and even the CDC or these Men and Women in White Lab Coats think and say they are.

Your 25% fully vacinated is more like 75% fully whackcinated being the ones hospitalized. There are several sources and whistleblowers who claim that most folk in the hospital are fully whackcinated and not the other way around.

You wont win an arguement with these arrogant and ignorant Doctors. I'd seriously suggest (if you haven't already) invest all you free time into studying and researching the human body, how it works and natural/holistic methods to support and heal.

The best thing you could do for your health is walk away from traditional sick care.... it's all about Big Harma.

Stay strong and do not vaccinate. That garbage is going to come home to roost and kill millions once A.D.E. hits them like it did all the test animals in the SARS CoV-1 trials.... The human race are the test subjects in the SARS CoV-2 trials which run thru 2023....

But you can be sure they already have their narrative in place for when the mass wave of death hits the worlds shores.... (If it does and I pray it doesn't) but they will blame the variants, or they'll have invented some new phony lierus and or blame the unvaxxed.

Nothing is as it seems on this world.... especially with this Plandemic $camdemic....

a reply to: PaPaTaco

Thank you for the public health advice. I think you might be wrong though, and I urge you to read posts about this I have made elsewhere. That is provided they stay up long enough before they are deleted. That tends to happen to reason on this fourm. I don't see much reason in your post, other than an instinctive dislike of the poeple that helped you become the thriving and upstanding healthy person you are today, who now wants to share his/her opinion.

originally posted by: carewemust
Tuesday, September 14, 2021

The appointment was to discuss results of my prior week's routine blood test.

Immediately, my doctor since 1992 launches into once again attempting to get me vaccinated. (I declined her kind offer 6 months ago.)

Dr. Devinder: Mr. Care, in February you told me that you didn't want or need the Covid-19 vaccine, because you have recovered from Covid-19 and feel the natural antibodies provide sufficient protection.

We in the medical community have learned a lot since then. This virus is adaptive and tricky. It finds ways around natural immunity. In order to have the best protection against the variants, you need to get vaccinated.


ME: The Centers for Disease Control says those of us who have recovered from Covid-19 rarely catch it again.


Dr. Devinder: That's not true! I have patients who have contracted Covid-19 twice.


ME: Dr. Devinder, take a look at this simple statement on the CDC website...(I whip out my phone tap the bookmark: www.cdc.gov... )

Updated Aug. 6, 2021: Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare​.​

It can't get any simpler or straight-forward than this from the nation's #1 official health authority, Dr. Devinder.


Dr. Devinder: You're missing my point, Mr. Care. The Vaccine will give you additional protection against getting sick, if you contract Covid-19.


ME: I then showed her that 25% of Covid-19 patients in the hospital in our neighboring state (Wisconsin) are FULLY VACCINATED.


This back-n-forth goes on for 30 minutes. "Arguing" about things ranging from Vaccines starting to wear off after 30 days, to Congress and the White House exempting themselves from the Vaccine mandates because they are potentially dangerous drugs long-term.

Eventually she gives up, says the bloodwork came back with normal results, and tells me she regretted wasting so much time on me, while other patients who listen and appreciate her advice, are waiting to see her.

Dr. Devinder tried to vaccinate me against Covid-19 back in February, but wasn't as "determined' as she was today. You'd think there's a contest going in the medical community that awards huge prizes to doctors who can get the most people vaccinated.

Bottom Line: There is potentially something very wrong with these vaccines, but due to the huge $$$ they generate for so many individuals, their potential dangers are only recognized in the form of official vaccine waivers for VIPs in society.

-CareWeMust

Major respect to you for holding the line and staying firm. Anytime someone is pushing something on a person in such an aggressive and definitive manner is a huge red flag. The doctor did not care one bit about your feelings, thoughts or ability to make your own choices. They had a very clear objective and dug in even in the face of reasonable information running counter to their objective.

It was very evident that the doctor considers your intelligence beneath hers and thus you are automatically wrong when going against her opinion.

a reply to: MrNewWorldOrder

Well, in all due respect. That was alot of assumption and utter nonsense.

I wonder...(assuming myself) if your posts get deleted because they often resemble the content of which you posted above???? Maybe even worse.... IDK. I'm rather new posting around here. (Granted I've lurked ATS for the better pat of 15+ years or so) So I really don't want to label you something you're not, but just to respond to your comment above...

Here, it goes a lil somthing like this....

Men/Women In White Lab Coats (AKA Doctors) have done little to nothing to "Help Me Become The Thriving and Upstanding Healthy Person" I am today....

Quite the contrary really.

It was "The Doctors" who told my mother to start feeding me solid foods at less than a week old, because I was crying (Hungry) They wrecked my digestive system, before I even had a chance to develop one correctly on Breastmilk....

It was "The Doctors" who've done absolutely nothing for any of my health concerns over the years.... Other than throw "Drugs" (Just Say No) to mask symptoms... (They actually made me worse)

Without going into years of back story...lets just say "I FIRED MY DOCTORS" and began to take my life and healthcare into my own hands... I was tired of the procedures and the blood work and the exams and the blah blah blah... (After I started to wake up and notice the vaccines and protocols were also injuring my children, especially my youngest) and after I took a huge downturn in my own health.... that is when the Holy Spirit stepped in and led me to Natural/Holistic ways of healing.... It's been non stop study for me since!!!

I've spent the last 15, well almost 20 years now on the otherside of healthcare.... you know the side they say is quackery.... (The real quacks are the allopathic sorcery dealers/practicioners)

I have done a lifetimes worth of research and study and helped several people along the way... So really your comment above holds no bearing or truth, when it comes to what I know, believe, say or do or how I live.... In all truthfullness it comes from a place of arrogance, ignorance and directly from the darkside of things....

You would do well to maybe avoid speaking about which you have little to no understanding...

Having said that... I forgive you and have a blessed day...

#FireYourDoctor #PatientHealThyself

(There are some good folks who practice the art of healing, but you wont find many on the traditional side of things)