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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: anonentity
Israel is different, indeed. A higher percentage of the population is vaccinated. But guess what, it's the unvaccinated who are still most at risk.
Tell that to the Israelites.
I'll use some numbers from last month. Feel free to provide more recent numbers and do the math yourself.
We have a population of 9 million. 80% of whom are vaccinated. 80% of 9 million is 7.2 million, leaving 1.8 million unvaccinated.
We have 514 hospitalizations. 303 are vaccinated, 211 are not.
For every 100,000 people who are vaccinated, 4 are hospitalized.
For every 100,000 people who are not vaccinated, 12 are hospitalized.
Which group seems to be doing better?
No.
Have you got to have your booster know before you are considered vaccinated?
I give up, which group?
which group likely has a higher percentage of asymptomatic or low symptomatic carriers exposing the other group to the virus?
I give up, which group? I am fully vaccinated. I avoid large groups of people and am masked indoors when I may encounter others who are not in a similar "bubble." Last week a person in my office tested positive. On Friday, when I found out, I left the office to be tested. Informed pertinent people that I was isolating pending results. Result is negative. I will return to the office on Monday but plan to be retested on Tuesday even though I still show no symptoms.
Which of those two groups would likely be acting irresponsibly as if they were now no longer subject to being infected and infectious to others?
originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: Rich Z
originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Like I said, I was listening in to the table convo of a guy who works in a hospital, and he was talking candidly with a friend. He flat out said that the vaccination won't keep you from getting it. He said he'd had the vax and gotten it. What he did say is that in his experience, he hadn't seen anyone in ICU who had gotten the shot yet.
So I'm not sure exactly what they're so big on pushing the shot for everyone for. OK. It can keep you out of the ICU, but is that benefit enough to put a gun to everyone's head who doesn't yet have the shot?
If our medical infrastructure is overrun by seriously ill people with covid, many others are left wanting and may die of non-covid due to lack of resources, caregivers and ICU beds. This has always been the goal.
That being said, I absolutely do not agree with vaccine mandates of any kind. The solution lies in beefing up medical infrastructure, not in taking away peoples rights.
Well yeah. And if a LOT of medical people quit rather than take the vaccine when it is demanded of them, where will we be then?
Well yeah, where did I say I supported the mandate? I emphatically stated I didnt. Didnyou not read my entire comment before making your point?
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Rich Z
Each nurse and doctor who refuses the vaccine did not do it for the hell of it they must have had good reasons. If the reactions to the vaccine are so rare then the odds of these numbers of nurses and doctors refusing it does not make much sense. Simply because they should have seen virtually nobody with any reactions if the numbers by the manufacturers were correct. If however, you talk to a guy of eighteen whose sports career is over because of myocarditis, and he knows of other people with the same problem, then anecdotally we would be remiss to think the numbers stated by the vaccine manufacturers are very misleading. www.bitchute.com... Perfectly healthy young people being told by the medical profession to take the Vax. Then dropping dead or being, disabled, is a crime of unfolding magnitude.
Nope. I was not in what would be considered "close contact."
So no lockdown for you no isolation for 10 days.
Don't know. Yes.
How many Ct's was your test? Was it a PCR?
Because the last time the person was in the office was Tuesday. It can take a week for an infection to appear. I will be in the office tomorrow because I left some matters undone on Friday. My personal office is separate from others in the suite.
Why bother testing Tuesday?
It was a drive thru testing facility.
You would have infected the air around your travel from the home to the office, in the office and the test center.
Incorrect. I had no close contact with anyone after I left the office. How can I be asymptomatic if I did not have an infection at the time?
Being vaxxed and asymptomatic you've spread it around the community.
I am testing again to ensure that an infection has not developed. Testing does not involve one's "breath" and is not at all pleasant.
Are you testing to prove your disdain for others or your lucky intakes of breath being too low in viral particles?
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Rich Z
I give up, which group?
which group likely has a higher percentage of asymptomatic or low symptomatic carriers exposing the other group to the virus?
I give up, which group? I am fully vaccinated. I avoid large groups of people and am masked indoors when I may encounter others who are not in a similar "bubble." Last week a person in my office tested positive. On Friday, when I found out, I left the office to be tested. Informed pertinent people that I was isolating pending results. Result is negative. I will return to the office on Monday but plan to be retested on Tuesday even though I still show no symptoms.
Which of those two groups would likely be acting irresponsibly as if they were now no longer subject to being infected and infectious to others?
Bottom line, my behavior has not really been affected by my vaccination status.
originally posted by: Rich Z
originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: Rich Z
originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: carewemust
Like I said, I was listening in to the table convo of a guy who works in a hospital, and he was talking candidly with a friend. He flat out said that the vaccination won't keep you from getting it. He said he'd had the vax and gotten it. What he did say is that in his experience, he hadn't seen anyone in ICU who had gotten the shot yet.
So I'm not sure exactly what they're so big on pushing the shot for everyone for. OK. It can keep you out of the ICU, but is that benefit enough to put a gun to everyone's head who doesn't yet have the shot?
If our medical infrastructure is overrun by seriously ill people with covid, many others are left wanting and may die of non-covid due to lack of resources, caregivers and ICU beds. This has always been the goal.
That being said, I absolutely do not agree with vaccine mandates of any kind. The solution lies in beefing up medical infrastructure, not in taking away peoples rights.
Well yeah. And if a LOT of medical people quit rather than take the vaccine when it is demanded of them, where will we be then?
Well yeah, where did I say I supported the mandate? I emphatically stated I didnt. Didnyou not read my entire comment before making your point?
Just out of curiosity, how did you come to the conclusion I was disputing what you said rather than agreeing with it? Sorry if my wording was not adequate to reflect my intentions.
originally posted by: sciencelol
a reply to: nonspecific
When have vaccines ever been for symptoms?
That is what treatments are for. Vaccines are to keep you from getting infected.
Like Tetanus, and rabies, and measles , and mumps, and polio,
treating symptoms is what Tylenol is for
We have people with 4 different vaccines going into whatever reports and studies, yet we act and speak like it is one vaccine.
It is divide and conquer at this point. People say they are vaxxed or whatever, but what does that mean? Is Pfizer the best, Moderna, AstraZeneca, j&J, etc?