Texas abortion ban to take effect Wednesday; pro-aborts seeking last-minute block

a reply to: LSU2018

Great priorities you have there

OFFS! You presented a case that was criminally prosecuted by state actors as the same kind of law as the one being discussed. It's nothing like this law. YOU FAIL!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: carewemust

Not the issue.

The issue is, the state can't enforce the law its governor just signed into law, by design. The law gives the authority to enforce the law to vigilantes who want to harass and punish someone they think might have aided a woman in procuring an abortion, because the state doesn't have the authority to do so itself.

Good....stop killing babies and we won't have any issues.

It's a personal problem if you can't close your legs or use protection or birth control or whatever PREVANTATIVE measures.

Sad folks take no responsibility for their own decisions these days.

a reply to: Tempter

I think a woman's body is her own concern, simple as that.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Tempter

I think a woman's body is her own concern, simple as that.

So if a woman chooses to abort, if the father wants to keep, he gets no say?

What about if the woman chooses to keep and the father doesn't want? Is it OK to hold him responsible for 18 years?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I would submit in all other medical subjects the mayo clinic is acknowledged as scientificly accurate.
I would accept their positions as accurate.

And yes, the argument used to enact roe v wade was a boondoggle, and will be exposed so by advancing science.
Medical treatments are a right imo.

What do you base this right on? I need to see the legislation that enshrined the protections for medical treatment. I have a federal case to take against UHC for denying treatment to me for 2 years and with holding my rights.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: bigsnowman

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: Xtrozero

Shouldn't it be that way?

2021 and we still want someone to dictate what other people can and cant do

Is it dictating to tell someone they can't murder a child?

What the hell has this country come to. Damn.I can't believe we're arguing over the right to kill a frickin child.

it seems the basis of your argument lies in confusing a fetus with a child. they are two different things

This law is starts when the heartbeat begins which is, on average, 6 weeks. Now do you get it?

Yeah they got backdoored on that one without realizing it.
Science will kick their ass.

I hope it does, they've earned this ass kicking.

a reply to: shooterbrody
But if you are using solely the born alive act as proof you are missing my main point. The are babies already born. They are alive. They are developed enough that if they are given medical care, they do stand a chance.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Can the father grow a baby?

Nope.

Like i said a woman body is her own concern.

This kind of crap even stops the abortion of conception that is the product of rape or insest.



They are rather quiet on there 12 o'clock at night decision.

Have to wonder if this law is constitutional, or will be upheld as such?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody
The idea that the person suing needed standing flew out the window.
And. No. I don't believe they could have sued someone for helping someone obtain an abortion before this.
And, as far as proof..
Here is the picture of her walking into the hospital or clinic last thursday... clearly pregnant. And, here is a picture of her walking out, not pregnant. No baby, no birth certificate filed.
The person being sued isnt rich, she now has the option of obtaining legal counsel or putting her family on an extreme diet.

Who said the person obtaining the abortion gets sued?
I think you are mistaken.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Who stopped someone yesterday from filing a civil lawsuit?

A little boondoggle called "standing". This law waives the legal need for standing.

How would I be able to find out your private medical information?

"Discovery".

Discovery, in the law of common law jurisdictions, is a pre-trial procedure in a lawsuit in which each party, through the law of civil procedure, can obtain evidence from the other party or parties by means of discovery devices such as interrogatories, requests for production of documents, requests for admissions and depositions. Discovery can be obtained from non-parties using subpoenas.

en.wikipedia.org...

Civil suits are still innocent until PROVEN guilty,

If that is true, then why does the person doing accusing get their legal fees covered if they win, but the INNOCENT person being accused doesn't, if the case goes their way?

Sounds like punishment just for knowing or being affiliated with someone who got an abortion to me.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Tempter

I think a woman's body is her own concern, simple as that.

I would 100% support that if this logic was used across the board. Simple and straightforward is great.

So no more masks, no vaccines. As much of any kind of drug as you want...who cares if you Amy Winehouse yourself. That prohibited cancer treatment that everyone tells you will kill you? Go ahead.

Its that the logic doesn't get to hold up when held against a different lens. So i don't discount what you say, only that its asinine to say it.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: LSU2018
You are talking about the born alive bill.
BORN ALIVE!!
A six week fetus isn't born, it is miscarried and there is no amount of medical care that could keep it alive!

No I'm not, I'm talking a heartbeat forming.

a reply to: Tempter

Abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Sounds like a small penalty for murdering a baby to me. Dunno. *shrug*

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Perspective can be a female dog bigfatfurrytexan.

Woman's body is still her own concern.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Can the father grow a baby?

Nope.

Like i said a woman body is her own concern.

This kind of crap even stops the abortion of conception that is the product of rape or insest.

They are rather quiet on there 12 o'clock at night decision.

Have to wonder if this law is constitutional, or will be upheld as such?

So the father should legally be held responsible for 18 years if he doesn't want it?

I am not talking about random here and there cases. If there was specific cases, such as rape and incest, then I agree.....mothers choice. But they way the law stands almost everywhere is just a blanket law.

With some refinement they may get more to agree, but this all or nothing can ONLY go 2 ways....all or nothing.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody
Because the state of texas has sanctioned thousands of know nothing loons across the country to decide for themselves what a medical emergency is and sue anyone who may have been involved in terminating the pregnancy.

Sounds like the same formula used to determine what is and isn't hate speech in order to remove your 1st Amendment rights.

Gosh doggit.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

If it was really considered "murder" the state would be enforcing the law and prosecuting violators, instead of enticing citizens to civilly sue, with a $10,000 prize if they can successfully prove someone gave aid to a woman seeking an abortion.

a reply to: Tempter

What do you think? Is this specific measure of allowing individuals to sue abortionists a good way to tackle the problem of abortion?

I think it's a horrible way to address a social/legal issue, and is ripe for abuse. It doesn't take much to file a lawsuit... it's much much harder (and more expensive) to defend a lawsuit.

I suppose the only thing worse is if the women presumably seeking/receiving abortions were targeted as well. Then we would no doubt see women who suffer miscarriages falsely accused and persecuted as well. No child-bearing age woman would be safe from the wrath of those who put ALL blame and responsibility on the women of the world.

Unfortunately, misogyny is alive and well, and will rear its ugly head, no matter how noble or well-intentioned others might be.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

How does a woman prove she was raped or had incest or that she has provable medical conditions that may create severe complications in six weeks?

Rape/Incest - Police report
Severe complications can occur anytime, I think hospitals treat those complications, but I could be wrong.

Cheers - Dave