Should you get the COVID-19 vaccine or not?

I get it, it’s not the science that’s the issue for most of us. We all know that part of the issue is people don’t trust the government or the new and not fully approved or tested technology. Although the FDA has finally approved the Pfizer vaccine, the FDA is part of the government, which we don’t trust. Just to clarify a simple point that it’s not political, Trump and Biden don’t get along, but Trump paved the way and Biden implemented this even throughout a change in power.

If these two agree, I believe that they both believe that this vaccine is good. I don’t see alternative motives being an issue here. You have to give the man credit where credit is due. Now just because these idiots think it’s good, and I don’t trust the government, where does that leave us?

For the following paragraph, keep in mind that I have an engineering degree and love doing research. From the research I’ve been able to do, around 7000 people have died. Most of the people who died after taking Pfizer or Moderna vaccine died of Tylenol overdose damaging organs.

Note that I am only talking about the Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines, and certainly not the blood clot causing Johnson and Johnson vaccine, or any of the others which have seen rare use.

Apart from that Tylonal issue, mRNA had a 10x chance of causing anaphylaxis due to a lipoid protein used to use encapsulate the mRNA payload, so I took my EpiPen. Don’t have one? That’s ok, the nurses and pharmacy techs do.

Will it overwrite your DNA? On in cells it can encounter within about 12 hours, remember it has to be stored cold or it breaks down quick, and your body is warm. Also, it’s mRNA, and produced none replicating spikes, not actual viral code.

Now has it been around long enough to know about long term effects? It lasts 12 hours, so yeah by day one that’s all the data you need. Also, it’s been around since the 90s when moderna invented it, and they had not used it due to the higher risk of anaphylaxis.

I’m vaccine-cautious, and I got the Pfizer shot. This is my first vaccine in over 20 years. I do not trust the medical elites, so I did my research. You know, because there is a deadly virus going around. Now I have nothing against Moderna, in fact it might be more effective. In engineering there is a concept known as second to market. It’s where a company exhausts itself creating a product and another company takes that research and improves it with fresh resources producing a better product even cheaper.

It’s important to note that I do have an issue with vaccines due to the MMR vaccine and a genetic flaw which effects the way my body (and one of my kids) reacted to the vaccine. To be fair, it’s the way your immune system interacts with the Rubella virus, not limited to the vaccine, that is the issue. Also, this is a rare disorder.

Now, about my experience with the Covid vaccine. Upon the first injection I felt nothing. The needle is tiny, far too small for any kind of tracking chips currently available on the market. After a few hours, I felt my arm getting sore, and the next two days I was tired. The second dose was the same, but I was even more tired. Apart from that, it was fine.

If you want the get the vaccine, but are worried, rest assured that you should be fine so long as you take it easy on the Tylenol. If you do not feel comfortable taking the vaccine, I respect your choice. I trust the vaccine to protect me, and whatever you choose should not effect me. Decide for yourself and have a nice day.


Edit Please feel free to share this either on ATS or via my blog (click here) to whomever you think would benefit from this post. I tried to post this in the official COVID19 subreddit, but an apperant antivaxxer named "u/dnahelicase" deleted it and banned me permanently,and calling this post "garbage". Jsut trying to help.

I can mostly agree with you and to an extent I still believe in you do you and I'll do me. But the fact is, unvaxxed are still causing this to be a bigger problem. Not just the spreading of it but being a majority of ICU patients are indeed unvaxxed patients. This in turn has a huge effect on those that truly need ICU but can't get in due to capacity. The trickle down effect it has had on "other" health issues is very big.

*Note...I reserve the right to change my mind at any given second

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

I'm not arguing against that, but I don't expect others to take what they precieve to be a risk for my sake. I know you are not saying you do either, just that a lot of people are saying that. One of my children has breathing trouble as is, so I get it.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I can mostly agree with you and to an extent I still believe in you do you and I'll do me. But the fact is, unvaxxed are still causing this to be a bigger problem. Not just the spreading of it but being a majority of ICU patients are indeed unvaxxed patients. This in turn has a huge effect on those that truly need ICU but can't get in due to capacity. The trickle down effect it has had on "other" health issues is very big.

*Note...I reserve the right to change my mind at any given second

We can play with the numbers, but the reality is it is most likely the unvaxxed over the age of 50 that is the biggest problem. The 100 million young do not need it and should push to herd immunity now that we at least have a vaccine for the older and higher risk, so there is no excuse today not to push the young back into schools without a mask and move on with all this.

originally posted by: GolgothaBridge
a reply to: HawkeyeNation

I'm not arguing against that, but I don't expect others to take what they precieve to be a risk for my sake. I know you are not saying you do either, just that a lot of people are saying that. One of my children has breathing trouble as is, so I get it.

No I get that because that was my thinking and to an extent I still think that way. I'm just a pro choice guy by nature but I just wanted to somewhat clarify that this is the reason we are still fighting this at this high level still.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I can mostly agree with you and to an extent I still believe in you do you and I'll do me. But the fact is, unvaxxed are still causing this to be a bigger problem. Not just the spreading of it but being a majority of ICU patients are indeed unvaxxed patients. This in turn has a huge effect on those that truly need ICU but can't get in due to capacity. The trickle down effect it has had on "other" health issues is very big.

*Note...I reserve the right to change my mind at any given second

We can play with the numbers, but the reality is it is most likely the unvaxxed over the age of 50 that is the biggest problem. The 100 million young do not need it and should push to herd immunity now that we at least have a vaccine for the older and higher risk, so there is no excuse today not to push the young back into schools without a mask and move on with all this.

Yea for sure. Younger and healthy, not as risky but there is still some uncertainty in what long term effects of Covid is.

a reply to: GolgothaBridge

Talk to your doctor.
Simple as that.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: GolgothaBridge

Talk to your doctor.
Simple as that.

you didn't read the OP did you? lol

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I can mostly agree with you and to an extent I still believe in you do you and I'll do me. But the fact is, unvaxxed are still causing this to be a bigger problem. Not just the spreading of it but being a majority of ICU patients are indeed unvaxxed patients. This in turn has a huge effect on those that truly need ICU but can't get in due to capacity. The trickle down effect it has had on "other" health issues is very big.

*Note...I reserve the right to change my mind at any given second

We can play with the numbers, but the reality is it is most likely the unvaxxed over the age of 50 that is the biggest problem. The 100 million young do not need it and should push to herd immunity now that we at least have a vaccine for the older and higher risk, so there is no excuse today not to push the young back into schools without a mask and move on with all this.

Yea for sure. Younger and healthy, not as risky but there is still some uncertainty in what long term effects of Covid is.

Out of curiosity, why does the unknown long term effect of Covid cause concern but the equally unknown long term effect of these shots not cause concern?

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

I did.
When I said what I said, I said it as a general answer to the title of the thread.

The reality is anti-vaxxers do not want to hear about anything that doesn't support their narrative, so it is kind of a losing case there to change anyone's minds. Add in most will not have issues with the virus and they will do the "I told you so" when they get it. Those that have big issues with the virus will not be in the position to say anything.

mRNA has a 1/2 life of 8 hours, so in a day or so it is all gone. ALL protein can only last 3 weeks at best, and much shorter if your body to working to get rid of it too. With that said reactions should appear at the farthest out of a few weeks at most after all the protein is gone. So if you get blood clots, or Myocarditis you will see rather quickly within a month I would think.

So when people are like you do not know what it will do to your body in 3 years and I ask how, or what could that be if everything is out of your system within the first 1 or 2 weeks?

Its not like a long term drug use and it isn't like any of it can just float around for a long time, so what is it that people think could happen in 3 years, I have yet seen a single answer.

Morbid obesity is the true pandemic. Until we can get serious about banning these people from certain food purchases, restaurants, banning them from flights vaccine are a mute point since they are the ones also causing the covid problem far far exceeding any claims to unvaccinated.

Has anyone posted
About the bait & switch
Going on with the FDA aproval
For the pfizer vaccine?

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

Yea for sure. Younger and healthy, not as risky but there is still some uncertainty in what long term effects of Covid is.

There is in cases that are more extreme, but in 3 days and done there really isn't any long term effects. Right now COVID for the young is less severe than the common flu, so them getting the vaccine how does it make it any less for them than what is already close to nothing without it?

The vaccine will not stop people getting it, so at some point we ALL will get it, but we do want the reaction to be as low as possible.

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

Oh please,

Had Covid multiple times, almost everyone I know has actually. I have a large work/friend social circle, went to concerts, the pool/lake, large events all throughout this "pandemic", only wore a mask like 3 times and guess what?

One person I knew died from Covid supposedly and want to know why I stated it that way? The man was elderly, over 600 pounds, diabetes, heart failure, etc. Every poor health choice you could imagine, who knows what the actual cause was?

I'm sure the vaccine "may" have helped him but he was living on borrowed time to begin with via poor choices.

Half the people I know have had the shot and I am doing better than them, for instance a close family friend took the Pfizer shots and has been sick off and on all year and looks like walking death, she used to be one of the most vibrant and healthy people I know. Now she looks 10 years older, weak, and sickly.

Another guy in my church got the shot and actually was hospitalized for Covid during the same timeframe.

And then you have people like me who actually eat healthy and exercise over here not caring, not getting sick, and enjoying life.

Have only been sick once in two years, if Covid is so deadly to you improve your own health, If people are so afraid of a weak virus that's their own fault, I'm not in charge of anyone's health but mine, my wife, and kids.

That's my line in the sand anyways, if people have bad immune systems due to whatever reason take the experimental tech into your body.

I'll stick with the more natural stuff called a healthy diet and sunlight over what the top 1% keep propogating to everyone via talking heads on the MSM.

a reply to: GolgothaBridge

If these two agree, I believe that they both believe that this vaccine is good. I don’t see alternative motives being an issue here.

The same motives that have been around since the beginning of time.
MONEY!!

Remember when "they" told us Abestos was safe, Agent orange was safe, Talcum powder was safe, Hydrogenated oils were safe...........Honey, I could go on all day long. And who are "they", the government, Big Pharma, MSM, everyone that has a buck to be made.

One thing will remain true, time will tell. It is simple as that. Nobody can argue with that. If this vaccine is safe, time will tell. If it isn't, time will tell.

We need obesity social passports more than covid passports. Ban the obese from fast food, flying and stores until they lose weight. Covid would nosedive along with a slew of other preventable diseases.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah, unfortunately you may be correct.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Why not just make narrower doors at restaurants and supermarkets?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Not a bad point.