Respect and Leadership - PUTIN Says Russian Citizens Decide if They Want to be Covid-19 Vaccinated.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
Oh
Joe got 99% of the vote?

Phhhhhttttt
Take your putin worship elsewhere.

In the important areas for strategic fraud/cheating (Philly, Atlanta, Milwaukee)... YES, Joe got 99% of the vote, LOL.

Still no comparison to putin.
Shame on you for the comparison.

No better than the bs russia russia russia bs.

I wasn't into the Russsia Russia Russia BS.

Appears you are now....
Not a good look

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
Since the scotus stopped an executive order.... say just last week?

Cheese and rice....

You're referring to the "Remain in Mexico" slap-down SCOTUS handed Biden?

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
Oh
Joe got 99% of the vote?

Phhhhhttttt
Take your putin worship elsewhere.

In the important areas for strategic fraud/cheating (Philly, Atlanta, Milwaukee)... YES, Joe got 99% of the vote, LOL.

Still no comparison to putin.
Shame on you for the comparison.

No better than the bs russia russia russia bs.

I wasn't into the Russsia Russia Russia BS.

Appears you are now....
Not a good look

The Russia Russia Russia people I remember from 2016 thru 2020 were AGAINST Russia and Trump. Accused them of colluding to take over the world, or something like that.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

I have a few friends from Russia due to a game I play on line , is actually many people from all over the world that plays this game.

When covid started infecting, my friend told me that they were restricted and she could not even visit her parents in the city.

Then Russia started to give the China version of the jab, before even it was available to other countries, but only for those that wanted.

The restrictions were lifted she was back at work as a Teacher and Russia was working on Spuknic at that time, their own version, she told me her parents and sibling took it because their jobs.

But she was never forced to take it at all and nobody that she knew.

She said the dead toll was somewhat high in the beginning but then, it was not bad.

I guess they do not have Pfizer, CDC and Fascist faucy to dictate their mandates and laws in Russia.

The W.H.O. graphs show Russia is doing just fine letting people "police themselves" like Free and Open societies claim to do.

Global Covid Tracking by Country: www.worldometers.info...

(See the "Deaths per Million" column. That's what matters most.)

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
Since the scotus stopped an executive order.... say just last week?

Cheese and rice....

You're referring to the "Remain in Mexico" slap-down SCOTUS handed Biden?

That would be one, yes.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
Oh
Joe got 99% of the vote?

Phhhhhttttt
Take your putin worship elsewhere.

In the important areas for strategic fraud/cheating (Philly, Atlanta, Milwaukee)... YES, Joe got 99% of the vote, LOL.

Still no comparison to putin.
Shame on you for the comparison.

No better than the bs russia russia russia bs.

I wasn't into the Russsia Russia Russia BS.

Appears you are now....
Not a good look

The Russia Russia Russia people I remember from 2016 thru 2020 were AGAINST Russia and Trump. Accused them of colluding to take over the world, or something like that.

And.........
Same view
Opposing side

Blech

Yet Putin is vaccinated.

Read his words more carefully. He's not saying what you think he's saying.

From your OP link.

“In my opinion, it is counterproductive and unnecessary to introduce mandatory vaccinations,” he said. “People should realize this necessity on their own” and understand that without a vaccine they “may face a very serious and even deadly danger,” particularly elderly people.

While he says to the world that mandatory vaccines would be counterproductive from his perspective at a national level, locally it's a different story.

At the same time he was saying this Moscow's mayor announced workers in the service, education, healthcare, and entertainment sectors will now be required to get fully vaccinated before August 15th. Those who do not comply risk being suspended from their jobs or refused admission to educational institutions, although exceptions can be made for medical reasons.

And a month later nothing changed.

Russian authorities appear squarely behind the measures that have taken shape in recent weeks: threats of harsh punishments for employers in retail and service businesses, such as transportation and restaurants, that fail to have at least 60 percent of their workers vaccinated, and of suspension for workers who refuse vaccines.

Many employers, particularly in small and medium-sized business, gripe that Russian authorities have simply passed the buck — handing responsibility for vaccination effort on businesses, when it should belong to the state in a time of growing crisis. Link

That's right. He's simply passed the buck. He's insulating himself from the hard decisions and criticisms.

That's not a leader. That's someone wanting to have it both ways and win a popularity contest. He sure fooled some of you.

Shrewd.

And as an aside, who is the US is forcing you to get vaccinated? No one.

Russia has highest covid death rate in the world because vodka alcoholism.

data

a reply to: carewemust

Wow is unreal, only in America we are dying from covid in soo much numbers we have to be mandated into taking something that is not even a cure but a treatment and the worst thing, is, it does not work.

You still will get the darn cold virus like you get it every year,

NO. The reason I don't like Putin is because he's a murdering dictator, not a President.

He's not a good man or person.

a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday, August 30, 2021

Because the Covid-19 Disease is such a minimal killer/threat, leaders of nations who RESPECT the citizens they govern, are allowing those citizens to choose whether or not they want to be vaccinated for Covid-19.

In stark contrast to the oppressive authoritarian Joe Biden regime in the United States, the leader of Russia, Vladimir Putin, has put in place a system that ensures the citizens of Russia are free to choose whether or not they want the Covid-19 vaccination.

(Kudos to ATS Member FlyingFox for the find.) Source: twitter.com...

-AND-

Russia will not make Covid vaccines compulsory for citizens, President Vladimir Putin said.

He said people should see the necessity of immunization on their own.

Russia had mulled making the vaccinations compulsory but Putin called it “counterproductive.”

Source: www.cnbc.com...

Leaders and Authorities in nations that are mandating Covid-19 vaccines and booster vaccines, are either sadistic control-freaks, or stand to make big money in the form of kick-backs...or both. In other words, they're BAD PEOPLE who must be removed ASAP, and ultimately replaced via the election process.

-CareWeMust

It's clear to American leadership that our society can't be trusted to make their own decisions about individual health anymore than we can be trusted to elect qualified competent officials.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Yep the fed, CDC, big pharma profiteers and Fascist Fauci will make the decisions for us by mandates.

a reply to: and14263

It's called TEXAS. We just left a fine restaurant without
any need to show we were vaxxed.

Thankfully we have a Governor who respects
other peoples rights.

a reply to: carewemust


I can only advise to not even respond to bait accounts like that.

originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: SideEyeEverything

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: network dude

I wouldnt place Putin has a model of leadership for our society. Do you support Putin and everything he represents?

I do not support the idea of "forced" vaccination, which I define as a violent and direct act against a persons direct desires.

Boy am I confused. It seems as if you are taking issue with people saying they are in agreement with Putin on this, yet then you go on to say you're in agreement with Putin on this.

Am I wrong?

RMB!!!!!! Russia Man Bad!!!!! orange man no longer here to hate........

lol, you can be presumptuous and attack me all you want. I have no problem with the positions I take, and admiring Putin is not one of them.

You are the one that comes in here with your first post calling everyone who agrees with this choice Putin puts out there as "Russian shills"...

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: network dude

I wouldnt place Putin has a model of leadership for our society. Do you support Putin and everything he represents?

I do not support the idea of "forced" vaccination, which I define as a violent and direct act against a persons direct desires.

You may find that semantics and word games aid you in obfuscation or narrative spinning in some quarters, but they'll not avail you here.

Firstly, how you you define the meaning of the verb force is worth precisely the same as how I personally define words, which is SQUAT, NULL, NOTHING. That's because, in the context arbitrating semantics and meaning of words in the English language, you are nobody, same as me.

So you'll excuse if I site a real authority figure on the English language, Oxford:

/fɔːs/

/fɔːrs/
Verb Forms
Idioms Phrasal Verbs

make somebody do something

Nothing concerning 'violence' or corporeal involvement. See?

This is what allows normal, right-thinking people to not be subjected to massive pangs of guilt for being able to say they "forced" their kids to do their homework without, you know, beating them and stuff. Or similarly, for people to infer that the government "forces" them to be licensed to drive car without putting a card reader on all motor vehicles such that the car won't start unless a valid driver's license is presented.

There are many variations of "forcing" something to be done. The vast majority of the time when, non-sociopathic people describe "force" in social/public/government context, it goes without saying that the "force" they're referring to is a legal or financial imperative, not a squad of 23 Marines restraining you and making you do chin-ups if you don't do as they say.

Why do I bring this up? Because the new 'IT' trend I see (mostly leftists) in framing the forced vaccinations is that "welp....if I don't strap you down and inject the vaccine into your body, if I'm only taking away your job, your ability to travel, your ability to shop, buy food, I'm not //REALLY// forcing you now, am I"

Maybe your carefully crafted "definition" was deliberately phrased as you did, or maybe it was entirely coincidental.

But this allows us a perfect opportunity for you to clarify your true stance on "forced vaccination".

Do you feel that it's acceptable for people who don't take the COVID gene therapies to be subjected to loss of employment, exclusion from patronizing certain businesses, exclusion from travel, even now it seems exclusion from health care(!!!), and this all can be rationalized as 'OK' because no one has had their body restrained/pushed/pulled/moved involuntarily by an agent of the gubm't?

a reply to: MDDoxs

Hitler was a semi-decent painter, despite his art school rejection. Bundy gave excellent analysis on the effect of porn on serial rapists/killers. Manson really was a pretty good musician. And all 3 had clearly honed the skill of persuasion.

We don't have much in the way of that do we.

Nightclubs are the only thing I know of that need proof of vaccine?





a reply to: and14263

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: opethPA
Meanwhile in the same article Putin is clearly in favor of the vaccine for the Russian people. In other words he is doing what all politicians do and speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

not that I wish to prop Vlad up here, but that is a much smarter approach to all this, than to directly tell the public you are trying to find ways to force the people to take the shot.

There is a better way for all of this to have been done. As with most things dealing with "planning", Biden seems to be doing a stellar job a clucking things up. only 6 months in, and he has destroyed the southern border, erased our energy independence, and totally wrecked the situation in Afghanistan. If his job was to screw up, he's at the top of his class.

No doubt as I have said in many of my posts, I am not a fan of Biden and wasn't a fan of Trump.

Both the last POTUS and the current POTUS could have done a much better job with multiple things but what do any of those have to do with Putin and vaccines in Russia ?

sorry, I thought the thread was about how Putin dealt with the vaccine issue in Russia. My comment was about how the vaccine issues in the US are mismanaged.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: carewemust

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, are y'all actually admiring Putin?

I knew the Russian shills would reveal themselves eventually.

This is a leader who has repressed his nation, ruthlessly targeted his political opponents and have imposed an authoritarian regime that many of us speak against.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not sure what is going on here.

Every human has some good in him. Remember Darth Vader?

Except US democrats/liberals. Absolute loons, the lot of them