So what's really going on here?? Makes no sense!

originally posted by: ketsuko

It is also possible that they weathered it better. Dirty living means more immune system exposure earlier and often. If COVID really is just a massive cold, there is a point where a balance might be reached and many shrugged it off.

Let's look at our own homeless populations. You might have expected them to be shredded, and yet, they weren't.

I kind of said the same thing about Afghanistan in the unhealthy don't survive very long, so truly only the strong survive, so what is something like a little COVID compared to all the other nasty crap they lived through.

a reply to: nonspecific

a reply to: Xtrozero

a reply to: MDDoxs

I don't disagree with any of these points really; there are all sorts of ways to skew the numbers with some of the examples you have cited. However, step back from it a ways and look at the larger picture of covid itself. You can't skew the numbers that much. For example, if 500 million people die in a country, you're definitely gonna' hear about it! I don't care where it is. Remember your means, modes, medians and ranges math from your advanced statistics classes in college? Yes, 'statistics' can be used to obfuscate virtually anything, no argument, BUT there is one thing statistics is good for, and this is predicting what things are "not". Statistics are much better at predicting what things are not probable than they are at predicting the answer.

This may seem a bit off-topic (but hear me out; it really isn't). If you fire a shotgun at a large paper target, you can make all sorts of statistical analysis from the seemingly random shot pattern on the target paper, and people can go crazy with all manner of wild predictions...right? (much of it nonsensical). But, you can rule out that the paper was shot with a large caliber rifle (and let's not get into semantics here because, yes, I do realize that 00 Buckshot is .38 caliber, and slugs are larger than that, but that's not the point). The point is that the paper was shot most likely with a shotgun. This is the difference between the larger picture and the more micro picture.

No such macro picture can be drawn with covid. There is no trend, regardless of the range, or the median, or even the mode or mean. To anyone with a basic understanding of mathematics and statistics, this is significant.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

Short version: the mortality as a function of total population is higher than cited, but real mortality per COVID infection is probably much lower.

Israel is about the closest I think we can come to seeing good numbers with their tight testing, reporting, tracking...

I think that people are just so dumb these days. Years of conditioning and adding chemistry to food or even talking people into taking meds that block our ability to reason has made many people into believers of deceit. Science is a tool and it is being used by deceivers to make us believe that something they profit by is real. Whether the profit is prestige or wealth does not matter. It is all personal gain.

Even researchers who do the research for these people use policies to get the evidence outlined in the parameters of the research. Some researchers are not even aware what they are researching is to create evidence to make something appear to say what it is not saying. Again, researchers who go against the grain and do other research than they are supposed to do without authorization will be canned.

Yes there is good legitimate research out there and often that good research shows what society wants to hear so it is discounted. Or if it interferes with the desire of the people funding the research they will lose future funding and everyone will be out of work.

Answer this one question, do we need to colonize the moon or put a man on Mars? Some people will say we need to. Why? Because they have been brainwashed to believe it is necessary when in essence it is definitely not.

Some don't want to open a Bible, so they look for any other explanation.... and there really isn't one.

Just know that when some sort of "mark" is required to buy/sell around the world, that this has been predicted for about 2000 years. Everything points to this...

"it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. (Revelation 13)

Agreed. It's never going to be known how many positive cases were unreported but I'd assume the number although high would be lower in more advanced nations simply because they will have better access to testing.

My answer was in a general sense and it's the same with the India example I gave. The actual mortality rate may be 2-5 times greater but I'd guess that the actual cases were maybe 5-10 times more than the official number due to the fact they have far less testing done.


a reply to: Ksihkehe

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Population Control reminds me of Art Bell Caller a few years back. Mentioning something about the population centers. How the few would be easy to be controlled.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

No such macro picture can be drawn with covid. There is no trend, regardless of the range, or the median, or even the mode or mean. To anyone with a basic understanding of mathematics and statistics, this is significant.

Well first we can take 200k right off the top of the 600k due to poor decisions at the state level. As to trends, things were so crazy in the beginning that is why I think we really need to look at 6 months into it as a start as to what we are really dealing with, and then post vaccination as the next area.

I also think you first need to define what you are looking for. You shoot a paper with a shotgun, but what if you were looking for something totally different to begin then with you would see zero trend then.

So what is it that we are looking for?

a reply to: fiora

I wanted to respond to your post directly. You would be sorely mistaken to underestimate Putin's tenacity and strategic ability. He is very much like the Chinese in this respect, but the big difference is he is much more overt about it. Russia has never bowed down to China...not ever. I've said this often here lately; most people do not realize Russia has more nukes pointed at China than they do at the USA. This is a fact. Russia is very wary of China, and while the "west" may see both of these countries to be communist, it would be a fools errand to ever think they are fast allies.

Putin puts up with China as long as China doesn't encroach on Russia and its ambitions. China very much has their eye on Eastern Russia, and Putin knows this well. A move on the US would amount to a full-on attack on Eastern Russia, because otherwise China is forced into battle crossing the Pacific where they would be decimated by the US and Russian navies. China knows this, Russia knows this, and so does the US. The only way to the US mainland is via Alaska, and the only way for China to do that is from the Russian Far East. Russia will never allow that to happen! Not because Russia is protecting the US, but rather that they are protecting their Far East, and the Arctic, which also has vast reserves (and China is drooling over those too).

The Big Picture is a far more complex game than most imagine.

originally posted by: nonspecific

Agreed. It's never going to be known how many positive cases were unreported but I'd assume the number although high would be lower in more advanced nations simply because they will have better access to testing.

My son and 5,000 of his school buddies all caught COVID in like a week as they had COVID parties. They had a small fever for a day then 3 days without the sense of smell and then they were GTG, no one was tested, nothing was reported. With a virus that 80% might hardly have anything they are not tested either, so unless we do some massive antibody testing we will just not know.

But if 40 million accounts for 20% I would say 100 to 150 to million or more got it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Not sure. I'm "Not Sure", (the smartest man is the entire World), struggling to see if I can find some sense in all of this.

Hence my OP.

**pun intended**

And!

18-20 months later and I still don't know anyone who knows anyone who knows ANYONE

who has had Covid-19 and I have family in 5 states.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

The Big Picture is a far more complex game than most imagine.

Russia is only about 150 million people sitting on massive reserves of all kinds of stuff that China would give up 500 million people to have...

originally posted by: baddmove
And!

18-20 months later and I still don't know anyone who knows anyone who knows ANYONE

who has had Covid-19 and I have family in 5 states.

I know of about 2 dozen, 3 that got hit hard, and a couple of deaths...

What is interesting is we had a team of like 12 people spend a week out in the middle of nowhere and 5 recently got COVID from that. I was like WTF after all this time seeing maybe 1 here and 1 there and 5 out of 12 got it in a place with like a population of 16,000 and 4 hour drive from anything bigger...lol

We are watching the world implode on itself because no one can come to a general consensus. When half don’t think up is up and half thinks up is down it’s really hard to make a general consensus.

For example vax is good.

No vax is bad

10billion pages later of conflicting results

No one got anywhere

It isn't meant to make sense; in fact it is meant to confuse and instill fear to the point where one can't make logical choices and simply gives in to authority and social pressure. Things in every country are happening by design; just research event 201 and UN agendas 2020 and 2030. Bottom line is to make everyone dependent on government, unable to do business independently, currency will become digital, gas cars will be outlawed within 5 years. Digital social credit score coming soon.

There is no bioweapon except that in injectable form, no worry about loosing a deadly virus that could kill them as easily as us. They may be greedy but they but they have the world's sharpest minds working for them. They go along hoping they are part of the select to remain but even their odds are slim. They're on a mission to "save the Earth" from mankind and maybe they're right in a way but mass depopulation is not how to do it. We can live on the planet and not destroy it but they think they are the only ones who can.

originally posted by: Brotherman
We are watching the world implode on itself because no one can come to a general consensus. When half don’t think up is up and half thinks up is down it’s really hard to make a general consensus.

For example vax is good.

No vax is bad

10billion pages later of conflicting results

No one got anywhere

Medical treatments should never be an all or nothing subject. The problem is that freedom of choice is being turned into a coercive situation

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

The Big Picture is a far more complex game than most imagine.

Russia is only about 150 million people sitting on massive reserves of all kinds of stuff that China would give up 500 million people to have...

I think you’re right, FCD. It’s about control. Specifically, it’s about China controlling the world. What I think many (even on this thread) overlook—or at least downplay—is that China doesn’t need to conduct a massive overland incursion through Siberia/Russian Far East; China doesn’t need to conduct a massive amphibious assault along the West Coast of North America. It just needs to control what’s here.

How? More and more Chinese moving to California, buying up houses, buying land, buying businesses or starting their own business, overstaying their tourist visas, etc; Buying media giants, business conglomerates; endowing grants and funding research in university departments which knowledge is shared with China; cyberattacks; funding and equipping our enemies; and of course, flat out buying our politicians. In short, getting the West (and America in particular) SO flummoxed we don’t know WHICH way to turn. Unleashing COVID, which leads to widespread distrust or resistance to our governments, is just another avenue of attack…maybe the final one. America destroys itself from within. China utilizes existing ownership, Chinese-American citizens and other power bases to step into the void without firing a shot. And, like Xtrozero said, China could STILL afford to lose 500 million people to take over the Russian Far East.

The one thing that we do know is that overall daily/weekly deaths of all kinds are comparable to pre-covid expectations worldwide and in the US. This points to much more of a control scheme than actual deadly pandemic. In my personal opinion it is driven by higher powers, but has been exploited by TPTB for selfish reasons.

Lots of people are being or have been put in situations where they have to make a choice that has never been so complex. There is a group in the middle that have been milling around and will now need to choose sides (upright traditional morals, freedoms, family, etc. vs those mocking the divine, celebrating dysfunction and broken standards, communism etc.) .

Even from a purelyt secular standpoint, there is a clear distinction in which direction the factions of the world want to go and one side wants none of it and feels that the point of no return is close if nothing is done.

originally posted by: Thoughtcrime
And, like Xtrozero said, China could STILL afford to lose 500 million people to take over the Russian Far East.

It would be like a win win to them, cull the herd get the vast reserves of Russia. BTW they already bought Africa and are right there now in Afghanistan with piles of money. When you do the economic hitman way you just need to make a handful of people rich then you own the country.