So what's really going on here?? Makes no sense!

Debated where to put this one...D&P, NWO, US Political Madness...decided here was probably best. Mods, you can move if you wish after reading.

So what's really going on here with this global 'plandemic' and the 'vaccines'??

US Political Madness? - It's not just the US though, it's the entire World it seems.

NWO? - I suppose it's possible, but then the 'vaccines' would all be the same, and they're not, not even in he US. Plus, there would have to be some grand wizard coordinator of all this and the entire world would have to be in agreement with them/it/him, etc.

Terrorism? - Maybe, but terrorists usually have a cause and a specific target. The target is the whole World? I can't believe that. And, even if it was that, what is the cause? Besides, terrorists usually have the same tactics...break stuff and kill people. They've never used bioweapons before as a terror weapon.

Secret Societies? - Bilderberg, CFR, Trilateral Commission (and countless others)? Maybe, but who's in charge and calling the shots that everyone can agree with? Bill Gates ain't running the entire World, and Soros doesn't make any money if there's no people.

Control? - I know, I know...it's all about control, right? We've heard it a billion times. But control by whom? And why would so many low-level people be in on it, signed-up in lockstep, the same people who stand to lose the most. Why would people here on ATS be coming out of the woodwork with doom porn galore gushing from every orifice? Plus, it's certainly not about control here in the US...because there is no one IN control here; our leader can't figure out if he wants to crap or go blind.

China? - I know, China Jao Bai Dan, right? Listen, China isn't going to walk in here and take over; that just won't happen. It's not going to happen because Russia will never let it happen. Period. Putin would blast China back into the Ice Age if they even tried. And China would simply cease to exist if they ever tried to take on Russia AND the US at the same time...even with Biden and his pants down around his ankles, drooling on the spittle towel. Furthermore, China might appear to be dictating some things to the US, but they damn sure aren't dictating any rules to Putin, you can rest assured of that fact! And Putin certainly doesn't have any plans to start learning how to speak Chinese anytime soon!!

It doesn't make sense, none of it does.

Other perplexing questions - Why do covid deaths seem to be the highest in the most developed and advanced countries, and countries in Africa, Asia and South America seem to be largely spared? At first I thought this might be because of population, travel and population density, but look at countries like UAE, they have barely 2,000 deaths. UAE is highly advanced and densely populated. They probably have more travel per capita than China does. Then I looked at lockdown measures thinking the answer might be there. Nope, just look at Haiti, one of the most densely populated, least developed countries who has some of the most relaxed lockdown measures in the World...they have 584 total deaths; that's WAY down on the list!

It just doesn't make any sense. I can post some of the sources I used to compile some of this data if people want, but you can find just gobs and gobs of slicing and dicing every possible way on the net with simple searches. You can find data so simply, and not one single bit of it makes any sense if you look at it.

What's going on? I mean, what's really going on?

Plenty of deaths in other countries. Getting on half a million each in Brazil and India and that's not taking into account some may be missed due to rural locations and lack of proper collation of information.



a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

All good points! But I think you left one possibility out: the Antichrist and the launch of his Beast system. Yeah, yeah, I know…you were looking for a LOGICAL explanation.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think it's about the VaxPorts being implemented globally, then, they can add requirements to it gradually until we're all slaves. That's what my inner conspiracy nut voice is telling me.

Having matching vaccines may or may not matter.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Here is one way it all makes sense to me.

We all know this is not all there is, i mean our reality. Most likely our senses and our scientific instruments can only detect a small fragment of "whats really out there"

So all this nonsense we are dealing with gives an amazing opportunity to let go, to be ready for death. All of us need to let go eventually, some go smiling, some go kicking and screaming but death is a certainty.

Maybe this planet was a paradise at some point, but for me, i wont be fighting too hard when the sweet release of death approaches, this all has made it a whole lot easier to let go.

a reply to: nonspecific

I'm not looking at just deaths. I'm looking at total cases, ratios of cases to deaths, cases by lockdown strictness, deaths by lockdown status, developmental status by cases, population density vs. cases/deaths, total population, geographic location vs. cases/deaths. Looking for any possible trend...and there isn't one.

Only trend I can see is the US leads everyone, with India and Brazil (but only Brazil) in not too distant 2nd and 3rd place. And, not even that makes any sense! Just compare those (3) countries on their approach, case/death numbers and and nothing computes. The rest of the world are distant followers.

Now, obviously the physical size of the country plays into this, so for example, if I take the whole EU as one 'country' that would put them in 2nd place. Still makes no sense though. Because, if I then scale the EU up to the physical size of the US (through extrapolation) the EU would then DWARF the rest of the world in cases/deaths...by like a factor of nearly 3x.

a reply to: nonspecific
Half a million does sound like a big number right?
But those two countries have quite a high population. So what is the percentage that have died from covid? I would imagine less than 1%. Then let's look at other cause of death. Other diseases, not just covid exists since 2020. Cancer, car crash, violence, overdoses, just plain old age. What are those numbers? What percentage have died from them, collectively and per cause basis? I bet it's higher than covid deaths. I'm sure looking into other countries you'd see the same trend.

Not saying covid isn't serious etc, or trying to sound cold hearted. Just putting it out there that we might want to be a bit more objective and level headed about all this mess.

Goods points. What if this virus gives humans a special ability, like enhancing ESP or something they don’t want us to have? Just a wild ass idea.

This rush on these slapped together vaccines and the rush on jabbing everyone makes no sense compared to the low percentage of death rates from the virus.

Well Mr trump himself did say that the us had the most cases becuase they were the greatest at testing.

I think this might have something to do with it.

I know that a lot of boffins were saying that covid mortality in India was likely to be between two and five times higher than the official number purely because in a population of about 1.3 billion where many areas are very rural a lot of what goes on isn't even officially registered or reported.


a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

It just doesn't make any sense. I can post some of the sources I used to compile some of this data if people want, but you can find just gobs and gobs of slicing and dicing every possible way on the net with simple searches. You can find data so simply, and not one single bit of it makes any sense if you look at it.

What's going on? I mean, what's really going on?

Well first it was a political tool to use against Trump, so a lot of decisions were more along the lines as to what would hurt Trump more than help Americans. I think if it wasn't an election year things would have gone totally differently.

Then we have what is most likely even bigger than the "get Trump" plan. Its called cover thy ass plan, so no matter what is done good or bad it is more important to cover thy ass. No state would shut down until one did then it was lemmings over the cliff, then the same thing with opening back up. TX and FL were like F this and of course everyone slammed them until it seemed they would not going to destroy themselves and then other states slowly inched their way into that territory too.

So at the end of the day people in elected positions cared more about being elected again than anything like what makes sense or is logical.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You forgot an option. A virus was accidentally and irresponsiblility allowed to get out of a controlled facility and has run amuck around the world. And, since it would require a tremendous collective global effort to stop this bloody virus, which is unfortunately quite difficult, it continues to dramatically affect our lives.

And with regards to your question

Other perplexing questions - Why do covid deaths seem to be the highest in the most developed and advanced countries, and countries in Africa, Asia and South America seem to be largely spared?

I am not surprised that the less developed countries compared to North America and Europe, or those with more authoritarian control, are potentially underreporting the number of cases and deaths. Take india for example, I think the amount of cases and deaths from covid are significantly higher than what is reported. They just dont have the same amount of resources or infrastructure that NAM or EU have.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

China? - I know, China Jao Bai Dan, right? Listen, China isn't going to walk in here and take over; that just won't happen. It's not going to happen because Russia will never let it happen. Period. Putin would blast China back into the Ice Age if they even tried. And China would simply cease to exist if they ever tried to take on Russia AND the US at the same time...even with Biden and his pants down around his ankles, drooling on the spittle towel. Furthermore, China might appear to be dictating some things to the US, but they damn sure aren't dictating any rules to Putin, you can rest assured of that fact! And Putin certainly doesn't have any plans to start learning how to speak Chinese anytime soon!!

Well, I don't consider Putin that tough and strategic. He is not going to level China to a desert of glass. And he is known to bow down to China many times in the recent past.

But I agree with you, I would like to know what's really going on

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

I'm not looking at just deaths. I'm looking at total cases, ratios of cases to deaths, cases by lockdown strictness, deaths by lockdown status, developmental status by cases, population density vs. cases/deaths, total population, geographic location vs. cases/deaths. Looking for any possible trend...and there isn't one.

Numbers like total infected in the US is not a number we can even come close to when most would not get tested or see a doctor, so 40 million officially is what in reality. We also know the lock downs do not work and just delay the spread. This might have been good before the vaccine, but we are seeing spikes in areas not hit so hard the first round and others hit hard not so much, so many are suggesting we are still in the first wave.

Only trend I can see is the US leads everyone, with India and Brazil (but only Brazil) in not too distant 2nd and 3rd place. And, not even that makes any sense! Just compare those (3) countries on their approach, case/death numbers and and nothing computes. The rest of the world are distant followers.

I think many countries are not counting all their dead while the US might have over counted, If a person has COVID and dies to a massive heart attack what killed him? I'm sure that would differ in many counties as to what they put down. I also wonder in the US that because fed funds were there for COVID cases if we didn't end up with a lot of deaths that were "COVID" because of funding. Its like if a person died and tested positive for COVID they were counted no matter what. Also every death in America was used like a political dagger towards Trump, so why not count everyone including the kitchen sink...lol

Now, obviously the physical size of the country plays into this, so for example, if I take the whole EU as one 'country' that would put them in 2nd place. Still makes no sense though. Because, if I then scale the EU up to the physical size of the US (through extrapolation) the EU would then DWARF the rest of the world in cases/deaths...by like a factor of nearly 3x.

I think we need to look at this in 3 phases. first 6 months, second 6 months and post election/vaccine.

Using EU as one is not bad for comparisons since we have like 50 countries making up America. A lot of it is density of not only the population in an area but more importantly how many people live together under one roof. We saw Italy hit extremely hard while having the most extreme lock down too. By culture they have a lot of people living together, most smoke and they have a high old person percentage.

Looking back now as to what we know...it all makes sense.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
For those who want the great reset,covid has no doubt allowed them to accelerate their agenda.
That I think is a big part-but another thing I can't help thinking is TPTB know something bad is coming-and they need to get society accustomed to a harsher system based around something similar to the social credit sytem seen in china.
That is sadly what they believe they need to do in order to retain power and control over a world which is growing more chaotic.

My guess is the "something bad" they think is coming is climate related,and they fear massive instability due to events whch will see refugees in the 10s or even hundered of millions.

There's more going on than they are letting on,I would bet.
You said its not just the US but the whole world-well when things happen like that,all the big players suddenly acting in lockstep-thats usually a clue that some kind of operation is happening IMO.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You forgot that it continues to be a political cudgel too.

Most of the states now that are inching back toward normal are red states, and the blue states cannot abide that because they have the clout in DC, so to them, inching back toward normal means flouting their author-i-tie which must not be done even though they made it an art form for the past 4 years.

They really do not care. They just want complete and total submission, compliance and admission that they were always and ever right like any overbearing spouse.

originally posted by: MDDoxs

I am not surprised that the less developed countries compared to North America and Europe, or those with more authoritarian control, are potentially underreporting the number of cases and deaths. Take india for example, I think the amount of cases and deaths from covid are significantly higher than what is reported. They just dont have the same amount of resources or infrastructure that NAM or EU have.

I think India had massive deaths not reported. The density of the population, the poor healthcare of over a billion people, We are talking dirt floors and hardly clean water living. There was a point waves of death was coming out of India with official counts not really going anywhere. 10 million people could vanish and no one would notice.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It is also possible that they weathered it better. Dirty living means more immune system exposure earlier and often. If COVID really is just a massive cold, there is a point where a balance might be reached and many shrugged it off.

Let's look at our own homeless populations. You might have expected them to be shredded, and yet, they weren't.

originally posted by: ketsuko

You forgot that it continues to be a political cudgel too.

Most of the states now that are inching back toward normal are red states, and the blue states cannot abide that because they have the clout in DC, so to them, inching back toward normal means flouting their author-i-tie which must not be done even though they made it an art form for the past 4 years.

They really do not care. They just want complete and total submission, compliance and admission that they were always and ever right like any overbearing spouse.

I agree, but boy the level prelection was crazy as the election was the only thing that mattered. Just like everything else the liberals start, it all ends up biting themselves in the ass. The 40 million liberals that do not want the vaccine, and all the liberals losing their livelihood, freedoms so on and so forth how do you think they would vote if lets say DeSantis runs, how will their draconian state leadership fare come 2022?

Ideology takes a back seat when you are personally getting hurt... Hell even Bill Maher sounds sensible as he sees the left go completely crazy.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Well Mr trump himself did say that the us had the most cases becuase they were the greatest at testing.

I think this might have something to do with it.

I know that a lot of boffins were saying that covid mortality in India was likely to be between two and five times higher than the official number purely because in a population of about 1.3 billion where many areas are very rural a lot of what goes on isn't even officially registered or reported.


a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

For every death they miss they're missing many cases of COVID. The mortality as a function of total population will be higher than reported, but the mortality per case is virtually guaranteed to be lower because of those that had the disease and recovered without ever knowing.

So far I haven't seen mortality as a function of total risk per capita used very often, rather deaths to positive cases. Case mortality is a commonly used statistic, but it does give a slightly skewed number to those who are just looking at the data without some background on what it really means. It doesn't really mean that it's the chance of dying from COVID. So, for the most commonly cited statistic of mortality per case, the real percentage mortality is probably only a fraction of what the "official" numbers show. That's a pretty uniform rule across all diseases. If COVID were truly ubiquitous in the environment, a year in, total risk of death per capita seems the more valuable measure.

Short version: the mortality as a function of total population is higher than cited, but real mortality per COVID infection is probably much lower.

originally posted by: Thoughtcrime
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

All good points! But I think you left one possibility out: the Antichrist and the launch of his Beast system. Yeah, yeah, I know…you were looking for a LOGICAL explanation.

This is a precursor, and a softening of the targets. The follow up and real deal should appear right after the US Dollar is abandoned. Thats what Im watching for. That could happen over night