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originally posted by: LookingAtMars
When I watched the video last night, he said something like the problem is the spike without the body.
I believe he is talking about the body of the virus.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
The spike protein produced via the vaccine, OTOH, has been found in the blood and in all major organs including crossing the blood-brain barrier.
originally posted by: Swo0p
Dr. Ryan Cole is full of it.
www.factcheck.org...
Deny Ignorance.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
There is one other part of this puzzle that seems important: the Chinese virus itself is a respiratory virus. It is geared to infect respiratory cells, not blood cells or liver cells or heart cells. I have remained convinced that the most serious part of the Chinese virus occurs when it breaches the lung/blood barrier and infiltrates the blood stream. Until that happens, the biggest concern is pneumonia from a cytokine storm, which itself could be triggered by the spike protein suddenly existing in the bloodstream in large numbers. That is the actual cause of death from the majority of virus deaths.
The new study, however, is the first to directly show that the spike proteins themselves are able to cause harm, and also confirms that COVID-19 is primarily a vascular disease that damages blood vessel walls.
For everyone else, it appears that they are not inclined for severe complications either way. For them, it is likely that the vaccine is helpful. And that reinforces what I have said all along: I do not condone nor condemn anyone either way. It is a personal choice. The only condemnation I have is for those who demand that others get vaccinated.
I will still not get the vaccine, on my doctor's recommendation.
originally posted by: NaziriteWarrior
That brings up THIS conundrum...which media reports (media companies) do you choose to believe?
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, which so called "experts" do you choose to believe and why?
For every 10 so called "experts" possessing what appears to be legit medical credentials and training in epidemiology, virology (or other related medical science) that takes a staunch position SUPPORTING the efficacy and safety of these experimental vaccines...
you can easily find 10 other so called "experts" with similar credentials credibly and logically CONTRADICTING those views by substantiating the inefficacy and dangers of these experimental vaccines.
Is it just the politics that drives someone to put trust in one group of "experts" vs. another ?
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Itisnowagain
It shows clearly that the while main stream vaxxing began in December 2021 actual vaxxing through trials began around 6 months beforehand, and by this time last year pfizer alone had vaxxed around 50,000 people in three tirals. So that's 50,000 people vaxxed for over a year. Well, nearly 50,000 anyway.
Vax details
For more specifics:
www.nature.com...
www.pfizer.com...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
This shows clearly that with this one shot alone people have been being vaxxed for more than a year with no serious side effects of the type described by the OP. Mostly it's just aches and pains.
In case you didn't know, this isn't the shot that caused those blood clots, that was the AstraZeneca vax.
This is just one of half a dozen vaxxes. Most of which have around the same timetable and participation. So we're talking about maybe half a million people who have been vaxxed for over a year when you include all of the other vax trials.
Globally, around a 1 in 3 of all people in the entire world have had at least 1 shot. Around 1 in 4 have had both since December last year. It's been 8 months since that started and no mainstream group has found any of the problems that the OP's link claims to exist. None, not one. And we're talking about some heavy hitting socialist countries in this mix, who'd absolutely nail the drug companies to the wall if there really was a problem.
So the Snake Oil salesman, the guy selling the Snake Oil for lots of money tells you, "all the snakes have been tested in the trials and none of them are poisonous, now role up your sleeve", and you role up your sleeve and take the shot?
Got it
And then the Snake Oil salesman says, "oh, and if by some remote chance you should happen to get poisoned, you can't sue me or hold me liable."
originally posted by: NaziriteWarrior
So the Snake Oil salesman, the guy selling the Snake Oil for lots of money tells you, "all the snakes have been tested in the trials and none of them are poisonous, now role up your sleeve", and you role up your sleeve and take the shot?
Got it
And then the Snake Oil salesman says, "oh, and if by some remote chance you should happen to get poisoned, you can't sue me or hold me liable."
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: NaziriteWarrior
So the Snake Oil salesman, the guy selling the Snake Oil for lots of money tells you, "all the snakes have been tested in the trials and none of them are poisonous, now role up your sleeve", and you role up your sleeve and take the shot?
Got it
And then the Snake Oil salesman says, "oh, and if by some remote chance you should happen to get poisoned, you can't sue me or hold me liable."
We are now pushing a year and what 3 billion people vacced? At what point do you say OK as vaccines go it is actually pretty safe.
originally posted by: NaziriteWarrior
originally posted by: Swo0p
Dr. Ryan Cole is full of it.
www.factcheck.org...
Deny Ignorance.
That brings up THIS conundrum...which media reports (media companies) do you choose to believe?
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, which so called "experts" do you choose to believe and why?
For every 10 so called "experts" possessing what appears to be legit medical credentials and training in epidemiology, virology (or other related medical science) that takes a staunch position SUPPORTING the efficacy and safety of these experimental vaccines...
you can easily find 10 other so called "experts" with similar credentials credibly and logically CONTRADICTING those views by substantiating the inefficacy and dangers of these experimental vaccines.
Is it just the politics that drives someone to put trust in one group of "experts" vs. another ?
originally posted by: nonspecific
So you really think that the lion's share of the world population will end up taking something that will kill us all?
It's billions already and rising...
a reply to: 4Everfree
originally posted by: nonspecific
But big pharma can't sell their products to dead people can they?
What they ideally want is booster shots and varient upgrades so why give us something that will kill us?
That's terrible business sense
a reply to: NaziriteWarrior
So the Snake Oil salesman, the guy selling the Snake Oil for lots of money tells you, "all the snakes have been tested in the trials and none of them are poisonous, now role up your sleeve", and you role up your sleeve and take the shot?
Got it
And then the Snake Oil salesman says, "oh, and if by some remote chance you should happen to get poisoned, you can't sue me or hold me liable."
originally posted by: NaziriteWarrior
Well that depends on how much information is being suppressed or censored about any adverse effects that occur.
We all know that Big Pharma (the Snake Oil salesman) and their lobbyists are all about THE MONEY, and they certainly have the power and reach to influence the narrative in their favor.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Except that if the vaccine turns out to be dangerous to a large amount of people then it's almost certain that their immunity will be overturned, and if it's shown that they knew that it was dangerous and withheld the information then it's a 100% certainty that the supreme court will strike down and deal.