Doctor Refuses to serve Unvaccinated

I'm not going to pretend I understand all that.

It seems absurdly complicated as an outsider.

I pay national insurance, it's about 12 percent of my gross earnings over £6500 per year and covers pension and healthcare and stuff.

If I'm unwell I go to the doctor's or hospital and they hopefully stick something back on or take something out or whatevers needed. All medication costs me £10 per month regardless of I need 1 pill or 1000.

I think I like my way better as I don't need a calculator to work out if I can afford to have my arm sewn back on.



a reply to: burdman30ott6

Dont knock statues over or throw them in a river.

We did that and loads of people moaned and called everybody a snowflake. Some people got really cross and said we might as well bring back Hitler.





a reply to: DBCowboy

originally posted by: nonspecific
So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

Insurance company will probably support this doctor's decision, since the insurance companies are all about saving money on pay-outs for medical treatments, and ICU care for COVID patients can run for weeks. If the insurance company believes that the vaccine could/will prevent an insured from requiring a stay in an ICU, they'll be on-board with this doctor.

Kind of like a warranty: Choose to do something that voids your warranty, and you are on the hook for the consequences.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: nonspecific

So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?

if you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor

I know Obama said that, but it wasn't true. Your insurance and more importantly your doctors network really determines whether you can see them or not. Some doctors will not take Medicare or certain insurances or plans. Like wise what insurance will pay and to whom depends on your network. Out of network fees and charges can and do apply. Of course if you rich enough to just pay for your medical care, then you can see who you like and go where you like.

Others explained it better

That would mean though that the insurance companies were in favour of vaccines as they perceive them as safer than not vacinating and that would go against what the bulk of ATS Seem to believe?

You would think if anyone would know what's safer it would be the insurance companies right?


a reply to: Mantiss2021

this twisted moralistic righteousness is beyond irresponsible and, especially in this case, utterly hypocritical. the mind boggles (although a little less each day) that so-called medical professionals are abandoning the basic tenet of healthcare so alarmingly. these are dark times and getting darker by the hour.

this doctor is a disgrace.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

this twisted moralistic righteousness is beyond irresponsible and, especially in this case, utterly hypocritical. the mind boggles (although a little less each day) that so-called medical professionals are abandoning the basic tenet of healthcare so alarmingly. these are dark times and getting darker by the hour.

This has been going on for a very long time. While everyone has to make a living. No one should be asking for a check, credit card or cash, before they attempt to save your life. Big business has stuck to the American people, while the left and right argued over who was right. Their plan was perfectly executed.

a reply to: JAGStorm

So this Alabama doctor is clearly racist.

originally posted by: nonspecific

That would mean though that the insurance companies were in favour of vaccines as they perceive them as safer than not vacinating and that would go against what the bulk of ATS Seem to believe?

You would think if anyone would know what's safer it would be the insurance companies right?


a reply to: Mantiss2021

Insurance companies use actuaries to determine cost v. benefit(s). Making the wrong choice costs them profits. Encouraging their beneficiaries to do something, like taking a new vaccine that has a high likelihood of causing serious, and expensive, medical issues would wreak havoc with their bottom line.

The bulk of ATS seems to rely on internet "experts" and "influencers".

a reply to: themessengernevermatters

I know Obama said that, but it wasn't true.

sometimes written sarcasm escapes some people.

a reply to: nonspecific

Let's put it this way. If you own a business that doesn't cater to gays, you get shut down, protested and a judge will order you to do business with gays.

If you're a doctor you're allowed to refuse business with people that don't want a shot.

Get the picture?

a reply to: JAGStorm

So.. even when people show no symptoms at all or provide a negative test, this Doctor and other Businesses can refuse those people entering??

This is just getting really ridiculous.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Seems to me the guys just a knobhead and is disregarding one of the most basic principles that underlies the medical profession.

Sure as a businessman he has a right to withhold his service from whoever he chose's - a big thing in both the US and UK with both country's Supreme Court voting in favour of bakers who refused to bake cakes for gay people.
But surely a Doctor has a moral obligation to look after the sick and infirm?
After all, that's the very reason they chose their profession....isn't it.

For the record; this would not be allowed in 'socialised' NHS in the UK.

Doctors practising Private Healthcare are allowed to treat, or not treat, whoever they chose.

I'm double jabbed but I don't think anyone should be allowed to use their position of responsibility to impose their own personal opinion and viewpoint on other people.
As long as safety protocols are followed - social distancing etc - then there is no practical or moral reason why this should be allowed.

As nonspecific said, the US Healthcare system seems all very bloody complicated - not a criticism just an observation.

I'm still not sure how I feel about it.

As you say it's a bit of a non issue as it couldn't happen in the NHS bit I think if it's on the UK and a private doctor wants to refuse to treat non vaccinated people he should as a business and a doctor be allowed to do so.





a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: nonspecific

Of course private Doctor's should be allowed to refuse service....but they should be open and public about it.
But what if it is a matter of life and death?

The only reason a Doctor would refuse his service would be a desire to impose his/her opinion on patients.
There is no moral or medical reason to support it.

Any NHS practitioner refusing to treat patients should be barred from practising within the NHS as it is counter to the most basic and fundamental principles of the NHS.

Agreed but in the US all doctors are private right?

In the UK all gps are actually self employed contractors but are bound by regulations set down by the NHS.



a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: nonspecific

Yeah.

Never been able to get my head around the US medical system.

And I have no desire to enter into a debate with any of our colonial cousins over the pro's and con's of both systems....at least not today and not here.

How about doctors that got subsidized by a state loan without interest except inflation?

Isn't that my money too that was given to use? Yes, had to pay back plus inflation, but do I have a say now what doctors will get these funds or not? What about tax brakes for equipment he didn't have to pay?

If we make doctors a business, then in all fairness, 100%. It's not like someone unvaccinated is a big health risk for him, the reasons are clear: His personal opinion directly in disagreement with the Hippocratic swore?

By refusing to treat a certain kind of demography, that is broken. What if a doctor suddenly says he won't treat blondes or transgender? The #storm would be epic.

I know a pediatrician who refuses to see kids whose parents refuse vaccines for their kids. He’s protecting the other kids.

Flip side. My sister is a dental hygienist. No one in her office is vaccinated. If I still lived in Atlanta you bet your ass I’d drop them fast. My republican dad thinks the same.

a reply to: JAGStorm

LOL, this is so stupid! Whta if they get the shot and die, then what? Ooops my bad right? I would just drop him for a doctor, I hope he loses patients.