Doctor Refuses to serve Unvaccinated

I have the Mark (forced), but I'll gladly live with the lepers if they'd have me.

originally posted by: nonspecific
If I'm honest I'm glad I don't have to.

You should try having a queen and never knowing if it's going to suddenly rain for a week solid for no reason.



a reply to: burdman30ott6

LOL, well no experience with queens... but Alaska definitely has the rain game down and I moved here from a little town along the western edge of the Cascades in Washington state which, I kid you not, saw 120 inches of rain per year and basically didn't see direct sunlight from Halloween to Easter.

The US medical system's primary problem is that half-assed socialization has royally screwed it up. My great grandparents' generation saw the best medical care imaginable without any insurance and without any government subsidies or socialized healthcare offerings. As insurance combined with federal subsidies and low income programs became the norm, costs were shifted to those who were perceived to be able to pay more and then overhead costs of paying the middlemen along with the costs of malpractice insurance skyrocketed and those costs were shifted onto those of us who actually work and pay for ourselves. I'm sure there would be benefits of simplicity to go full blown socialized care, but there were many direct benefits to have NO socialized care as well... but what we are stuck with has no benefits unless you're on the dole.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Meh...people make choices and deal with the consequences.

This is similar to the Christian bakery that wouldn't make a cake for gays...your choice, your consequence.

I'm in the retail/wholesale business once again. I pay the taxes, the bills, the rent, insurance, salarys, alarm system, etc....

If I don't like the way you part your hair, your abhorrent brown shoes or your snotty little kids, then GTFO and go shop somewhere else; walmart perhaps.

Remember, no shirt, no shoes, no service? Capitalism...Medicine is a business in the US just like selling insurance.

What? Would you rather have socialized medicine like Canada?

originally posted by: nonspecific
It's as simple as that then?

No different to choosing to take your car to a different garage or pulling your kids out of a school and sending them to another one?

Seems like this doctor's either dumb or wants to go bust I guess.



a reply to: tanstaafl

Usually, you have to get your insurer to assign another general practitioner or specialist. That's problematic for the doctor. Pissing off insurance companies is sure to get you off their approved doctors list.

So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

a reply to: JAGStorm

That doctor problary didn't take the shot himself. I wonder if the same doctor will treat the vaxed patients who come into the hospital? and are vaxed and got infected? or had became sick from the side effects?

a reply to: nonspecific

So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?

if you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

Looks this isnt the first time that this doctor had refused treatments to patients judging by a very long review of the doctor.

a reply to: JAGStorm


He's just a damn Alabama redneck who doesn't want to treat Black people, since 72% of them have not been vaccinated!

First they came for the unvaccinated,


. . . . . .


Then we shot them.

originally posted by: nonspecific
So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

Insurance companies have "network" doctors. If you see a doctor, or find yourself hospitalized or in need of an urgent care clinic, with an out of network doctor/clinic, you're on the hook for the entire cost.

Yes, insurance companies choose their doctors from applicants. Doctors choose which insurance companies they want to work with, usually based on how much they pay and how timely they pay it, Red Cross, Aetna, Blue Cross, Kaiser Permanente, the list goes on, and on.

The insurance company will usually assign you a GP when you sign up, unless you specify you want a certain doctor in their network.

If you don't like your doctor and want to change doctors, or want a second opinion, you need to go through your insurance company for permission.

Now over to Bill for the weather report.


a reply to: DBCowboy

So would you choose your insurance based on you doctor or choose your doctor from a pre approved list from your insurer?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: nonspecific
So does your insurance company have a say in who your doctor is? Can they refuse a doctor or practice or is it just paperwork?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

So you have some number of different insurance companies in the US. For discussion's sake let's take 3 of them Blue Cross Blue Shield, Anthem, and Cigna... These companies have a list of procedures and each have their own specific "discount rate" for each procedure, that is how much they will pay a doctor to perform the procedure. If a doctor agrees to an insurer's rate, then they sign a contract with that insurer and are considered "in network" for the patient. On the patient side, how much you pay is largely based on whether your doctor is in your insurance network or outside that network. A typical scenario would be
In-Network Deductable (How much money you have to pay each year before insurance does anything for you) -$1,000
Copay- $25 per visit
In-Network Co-insurance (how much of a procedure's discounted cost you have to pick up in addition to the percentage the insurance company picks up)- 10%
In-Network Out of pocket Maximum- (The most money you can be on the hook for adding up your copays, your deductable paid, and your co-insurance totals) -$2,000

Now for Out of network these costs would be
Deductable- $2,000
Copay- $25
Out-of-Network Co-insurance-%50
Out of Network OOP Maximum- $4,000

So now take a doctor and say he has a contract with Cigna, but your insurance is BCBS who he is not contracted with. He charges $3500 for a surgical procedure, raw cost... He has agreed to a contract with Cigna that discounts that $3500 to $1525... so the patient with Cigna would have to pay $1,000 deductable plus $25 co-pay, plus $50 (10% co-insurance) on the remainder and Cigna pays $450 to the doctor. Now if you don't have Cigna then your BCBS insurance will see an entire $3500 bill and tell you that you have to cover $2000 to meet your deductable, plus $25 co-pay, plus $750 of the remainder (50% of the $1500 left over) and at the end of the day BCBS likely cuts a discount deal with the doctor's office and still pays him the $450 he would have been paid directly from the insurer had he been in network, but he ultimately made a larger chunk of cash than he'd have made in-network so he takes that deal.

When you get into Medicare/Medicaid it gets real messy because the government has iron clad limits on what they will pay for any procedure and the providers accept the deal mostly because they don't have to go through as much effort to get everything paid as they do dealing with insurers and patients.

originally posted by: nonspecific

So would you choose your insurance based on you doctor or choose your doctor from a pre approved list from your insurer?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

You have might the option to do either. If you are choosing your insurance company and plan yourself, you can find out what insurance your family doctor takes, and then sign up with one of them.

If your insurance is chosen for you by your employer, which is often the case, and your family doctor doesn't honor that particular company, then you can't.

originally posted by: nonspecific

So would you choose your insurance based on you doctor or choose your doctor from a pre approved list from your insurer?


a reply to: Sookiechacha

Most insurance in the US is through your employer, so not much choice for the patient there... the employer insurance racket in the USA began decades ago as a result of some pretty outlandish taxation plans enacted in the country. Tax brackets were ridiculous and upper middle class professionals were getting rolled by the IRS over their earnings so a lot of companies opted to offer really great benefit packages such as wonderful health insurance plans to professional level employees in lieu of higher salaries. Over the years this went from being a benefit to being standard practice and, as with all standard practices, a combination of government and corporate greed chiseled away at the benefit portion of the agreement and we were left with insurance that still costs we the workers through the nose while prices for procedures skyrocketed to the point where insurance was mandatory just to see a doctor.

a reply to: nonspecific

I'm assuming it's just a business at the end of the day

You are correct. In America the only thing better than a business, is almighty god or the almighty dollar. Republicans wanted it that way and now democrats are using it against them.

Disclaimer: I am not with either party.

originally posted by: nonspecific

Now over to Bill for the weather report.


a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm immune compromised, sport.

I'm part of the underclass, being discriminated against.

Might have to knock over a statue.

a reply to: burdman30ott6



Thanks for that!