I can blow a massive holes in the "must wear masks" montra

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: scrounger

New to this topic are you? This has all been hashed out 100x before.

Apparently not enough.
I heard something about new mask mandates for masks that don't do Jack S#!t!

Not to mention, by Federal law and OSHA regulations, an employer that "requires" an employee to wear a tight fitting respirator (which N95 masks are), must have a respiratory program in place and the employees must have a physical to include a pulmonary lung function test in order to determine if they are medically fit to wear a respirator. They also need to be fit tested to that specific respirator.

originally posted by: scrounger
so to claim they will MEDICALLY PROTECT YOU is not backed up by PROOF...

Nobody claims that. It's been a year and a half, and you all are still ignoring the actual purpose of masks.

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

You

ou link to the navy ship doesn't mention masks at all.

Really?

Lessons for congregate settings
The study authors said that COVID-19 is difficult to distinguish from other respiratory infections without specific testing in young people living in a confined space, and asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission limits the effectiveness of screening for symptoms in the absence of testing, wearing a face mask, and physical distancing. The ship initially had no testing kits on board.

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

The advice (certainly in UK) wasn't to use masks with filters, so you are greeing with the office advice.

Any mask is a filter. And it’s only as good as it’s seal against your face.

You

The rest is just your personal opinion.

It’s a fact that masks that don’t seal are useless when it comes to prevent sickness and death. osha statistics are full of them

The fact it's called personal protective is irrelevant.

Masks are made to protect the person wearing them. Cheap fabric / cloth masks are not made to hold and contain snot and slobber once wetted. That’s a fact.

You

Your condom analogy is irrelevant.

How for masks rated at 40 percent efficiency?

I have provided links that show the evidence is firmly in favour of masks reducing spread.

Ok? Biased crap that doesn’t apply to the reality of the average person wearing cheap masks doing physical activities that don’t seal.

Again you just stating something doesn't make it so.

The link I provided has studies based on lap tests and real world studies.

The bias here is fairly obvious.

Sweden is a real-world study in the efficiency of masks, sure it may help some but it isn't enough, in the end, to make a difference statistically over time, otherwise, Sweden's cases would be off the charts and it's not. LOL and even their fatalities are less right now 1.3 %

FWIW Sweden is outperforming Nevada (similar population density) and Georgia( similar total population) both have had extreme lockdowns and continued mask restrictions etc.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
news.sky.com...

Seems like they work.

By all means, knock yourself out, live in fear, just take your mandates and stick 'em...

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: ScepticScot

You

ou link to the navy ship doesn't mention masks at all.

Really?

Lessons for congregate settings
The study authors said that COVID-19 is difficult to distinguish from other respiratory infections without specific testing in young people living in a confined space, and asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission limits the effectiveness of screening for symptoms in the absence of testing, wearing a face mask, and physical distancing. The ship initially had no testing kits on board.

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

The advice (certainly in UK) wasn't to use masks with filters, so you are greeing with the office advice.

Any mask is a filter. And it’s only as good as it’s seal against your face.

You

The rest is just your personal opinion.

It’s a fact that masks that don’t seal are useless when it comes to prevent sickness and death. osha statistics are full of them

The fact it's called personal protective is irrelevant.

Masks are made to protect the person wearing them. Cheap fabric / cloth masks are not made to hold and contain snot and slobber once wetted. That’s a fact.

You

Your condom analogy is irrelevant.

How for masks rated at 40 percent efficiency?

I have provided links that show the evidence is firmly in favour of masks reducing spread.

Ok? Biased crap that doesn’t apply to the reality of the average person wearing cheap masks doing physical activities that don’t seal.

Again you just stating something doesn't make it so.

The link I provided has studies based on lap tests and real world studies.

The bias here is fairly obvious.

Sweden is a real-world study in the efficiency of masks, sure it may help some but it isn't enough, in the end, to make a difference statistically over time, otherwise, Sweden's cases would be off the charts and it's not. LOL and even their fatalities are less right now 1.3 %

Sweeden has a far higher death rate than any of immediate neighbours. Hardly a covid success story.

Most European countries are reducing mask requirements or advice Circumstances have changed.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
news.sky.com...

Seems like they work.

By all means, knock yourself out, live in fear, just take your mandates and stick 'em...

Knowing the facts doesn't make you live in fear, quite the opposite.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

You mean the propaganda…..

Funny your source referenced this?

Aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, where living quarters and working environments leave little room for social distancing, a study found there was a 70% reduced risk of infection among those who used a face covering.

news.sky.com...

Or was it herd immunity, and actually removing infected people from the ship?

What type of masks were used? And were they better trained and disciplined. Ships have better control of their ventilation systems, and at keeping people in specific areas that can be blocked off by water tight doors used for compartmentalization to combat flooding and causalities.

COVID-19 spread freely aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt, report shows

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

In the case series, the US Army Public Health COVID-19 Task Force analyzed data from 736 of 4,800 USS Theodore Roosevelt sailors diagnosed as having COVID-19 and placed in isolation at Naval Base Guam from Mar 31 to Apr 15. Sailors who tested negative for coronavirus and those without symptoms were quarantined in single hotel rooms, and those who developed symptoms were moved to isolation.

The outbreak, which peaked on Mar 30 with 30 new cases and ultimately infected 25% of the crew members, involved 736 of the 4,085 sailors on board (18%) by mid-April. Of all infected sailors, 590 (80.2%) were symptomatic for a median of 7 days. The other 146 sailors remained without symptoms for the entire study period. Six sailors were hospitalized.

COVID-19 spread freely aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt, report shows

www.cidrap.umn.edu...


Lessons for congregate settings
The study authors said that COVID-19 is difficult to distinguish from other respiratory infections without specific testing in young people living in a confined space, and asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission limits the effectiveness of screening for symptoms in the absence of testing, wearing a face mask, and physical distancing. The ship initially had no testing kits on board.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: scrounger
so to claim they will MEDICALLY PROTECT YOU is not backed up by PROOF...

Nobody claims that. It's been a year and a half, and you all are still ignoring the actual purpose of masks.

What is the purpose of masks? I know, virtue signaling and placebo.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
news.sky.com...

Seems like they work.

By all means, knock yourself out, live in fear, just take your mandates and stick 'em...

Knowing the facts doesn't make you live in fear, quite the opposite.

Who is living in fear. I don’t give a damn if I have a mask when I go out. I know covid isn’t going to kill me. I don’t need a mask and I don’t need a vaccine for something I will survive.

And their is a choice for an emergency vaccine for those that are high risk of dying from covid.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

Do you realize what you just posted.


So, people shouldn’t properly wear better masks that seal? And probably dispose of their masks as bio waste? To protect society?

Man. That’s f’d up?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I wonder who was able to prove that virus travels on a dust particle.

Did he record it in the air with electron microscope
?

On a water droplet maybe. If it evaporates in the air then what? There's nothing but a virus in the air and nothing can stop you from inhaling it except a pressure suit. It's like pollen. It is probably some kind of bacterial pollen and vaccine could give you an allergy.

As long as I was using a bandana I had a good system. Since the globalist commies in my country mandated respirators I was breathing around the nose blowing dust into my eyes on every occasion.
There's maybe 1% of people who have a good fit. Not to mention the nose-out fashion. It's a good thing. A piece of rebellion

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

Do you realize what you just posted.


So, people shouldn’t properly wear better masks that seal? And probably dispose of their masks as bio waste? To protect society?

Man. That’s f’d up?

Can you show wear I posted that.

Hint - You can't because I didn't.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

You mean the propaganda…..

Funny your source referenced this?

Aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, where living quarters and working environments leave little room for social distancing, a study found there was a 70% reduced risk of infection among those who used a face covering.

news.sky.com...

Or was it herd immunity, and actually removing infected people from the ship?

What type of masks were used? And were they better trained and disciplined. Ships have better control of their ventilation systems, and at keeping people in specific areas that can be blocked off by water tight doors used for compartmentalization to combat flooding and causalities.

COVID-19 spread freely aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt, report shows

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

In the case series, the US Army Public Health COVID-19 Task Force analyzed data from 736 of 4,800 USS Theodore Roosevelt sailors diagnosed as having COVID-19 and placed in isolation at Naval Base Guam from Mar 31 to Apr 15. Sailors who tested negative for coronavirus and those without symptoms were quarantined in single hotel rooms, and those who developed symptoms were moved to isolation.

The outbreak, which peaked on Mar 30 with 30 new cases and ultimately infected 25% of the crew members, involved 736 of the 4,085 sailors on board (18%) by mid-April. Of all infected sailors, 590 (80.2%) were symptomatic for a median of 7 days. The other 146 sailors remained without symptoms for the entire study period. Six sailors were hospitalized.

COVID-19 spread freely aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt, report shows

www.cidrap.umn.edu...


Lessons for congregate settings
The study authors said that COVID-19 is difficult to distinguish from other respiratory infections without specific testing in young people living in a confined space, and asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission limits the effectiveness of screening for symptoms in the absence of testing, wearing a face mask, and physical distancing. The ship initially had no testing kits on board.

No I mean the multiple sources of evidence included in the link.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it propaganda.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
news.sky.com...

Seems like they work.

By all means, knock yourself out, live in fear, just take your mandates and stick 'em...

Knowing the facts doesn't make you live in fear, quite the opposite.

Who is living in fear. I don’t give a damn if I have a mask when I go out. I know covid isn’t going to kill me. I don’t need a mask and I don’t need a vaccine for something I will survive.

And their is a choice for an emergency vaccine for those that are high risk of dying from covid.

I

I didn't claim anyone was.

If I asked I would say its the people posting baseless conspiracy theories but that's just my opinion.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Yes. I am sure if people PROPERLY wore N-95 masks with out an exit valve, and PROPERLY disposed of the mask. And change out the masks ever 45 minutes. It would help with preventing the spread of covid.

Wearing cheap A$$ masks that don’t seal, wetted with body fluids, worn for hours on end, and /or improperly disposed of are useless.

Your opinion is noted but the evidence shows masks work.

Do you realize what you just posted.


So, people shouldn’t properly wear better masks that seal? And probably dispose of their

masks as bio waste? To protect society?

Man. That’s f’d up?

Can you show wear I posted that.

Hint - You can't because I didn't.

Only my opinion?

Masks are only effective when the are properly worn, seal, and properly disposed of is like industrial hygiene 101…

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: neutronfluxI

I have provided a link referring numerous studies showing how wearing a face mask does help protect others.

You just saying otherwise doesn't really refute that.

Applying what you may have seen taught about personal protection in specific circumstances doesnt really vtell you anything about how masks might reduce community transmission in completely different circumstances.

Can you actually commit on what was posted. What, too much facts and logic how your referenced “sources” are taken out of context and might be biased antidotal narratives?

Nice of you to hand wave to support your story.

You didn't offer facts or logic, you offered your unsupported opinion.

I prefer the results of studies.

Sometimes unsupported opinion can be more accurate than results of studies.
Going by ones gut feelings can be better than reports from unreliable sources.

I tend to trust actual facts and data rather than a hunch.

Others might disagree.

Facts can be manipulated to fit into any agenda that suits any individual.
A prime example of "facts" being manipulated just watch MSM!