Why the Covid vaccine is so dangerous

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, but out of many millions who have been vaccinated quite a lot of those will die of natural causes, etc. Simple statistics. Where is the evidence they died because of the vaccine?

Doctor's are obfuscating vaccine deaths. When an otherwise healthy person gets the vax and dies, doctors say things like:
"After careful examination, we've concluded the vaccine had nothing to do with the person's death."
It's laughable.

So where's your evidence that these doctors are wrong and that you are right?

Can you address the statistical point I raised?

Why would doctors - who in my experience are generally good people - do this?

Why is it "laughable"?

I'll play devil's advocate...

The paper put forth is only three pages long, so it was far from a scientific paper and more just a letter lacking much of the in-depth parts like a detailed Methods section that a real research paper would have. They used Syrian hamsters, three animals per experimental group, and the amount of virus used was 5 x 108 pfu, which is about half a billion. This is a rather extreme number compare to what mRNA codes for spike protein, the transfected cells degrade it and only present small chunks via MHC-I on their surfaces. the amount of full length spike protein entering circulation would be infinitesimal compared to half a billion in the experiments. Think of taking 100 aspirins compared to 2...lol

So in the end who knows...Doesn't seem like there has been a massive number of people with reactions so far. We are well past 400 million shots in the US alone, and billions world wide.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So where's your evidence that these doctors are wrong and that you are right?
Can you address the statistical point I raised?
Why would doctors - who in my experience are generally good people - do this?
Why is it "laughable"?

I'm not trying to win an argument for the sake of winning, nor am I challenging your statistical point regarding deaths by natural cause.

Doctors being "generally good people" is your opinion. Doctors kill tens of thousands of people annually through errors. The maxim of "get a second opinion" is not just a casual suggestion. As a general rule, I don't trust doctors. I gleaned this from personal experience, not from heresay or second-hand stories.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Refusing to engage in a debate is the last refuge of those who cannot defend their own views.

No, not at all--sometimes a lesson in futility is a lesson better left untackled.

The fact of the matter is that what these people are saying is disputed by significantly more people than it is supported by, and they've not managed to get a single document past peer review.

OR...and hear me out...sometimes the outlying theory is the right one, even when "significantly more people" don't support it. Engaging in logical fallacies--this one being the Appeal to Consensus--is the last refuge of those who...well, you get the point.

All professionals can make mistakes. Unfortunately mistakes made by doctors have more serious consequences.

I have spent quite a bit of my legal career doing clinical negligence claims. But even after having a fair bit to do with that, I don't regard doctors as evil. I have had a fair bit of experience of my own with doctors and they have all been outstanding and caring individuals. Our NHS has been brilliant to me and Mrs Carpy too.

There is a difference between deaths due to clinical errors and murder.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I don't regard doctors as evil

I didn't say they were evil.

I have had a fair bit of experience of my own with doctors and they have all been outstanding and caring individuals.

My experience has been a total "run of the spectrum". When my elderly father needed serious medical care, he had
an entire team of doctors from the Veteran's Hospital, and also private practitioners from his Medicare plan.

One of them was outstanding, two were competent, two were useless. One of them was the most pompous, egotistical, know-it-all asshole I've ever encountered.

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I don't regard doctors as evil

I didn't say they were evil.

I have had a fair bit of experience of my own with doctors and they have all been outstanding and caring individuals.

My experience has been a total "run of the spectrum". When my elderly father needed serious medical care, he had
an entire team of doctors from the Veteran's Hospital, and also private practitioners from his Medicare plan.

One of them was outstanding, two were competent, two were useless. One of them was the most pompous, egotistical, know-it-all asshole I've ever encountered.

Fair enough. We can only go by our own experiences. Come to think of it, there have been some - not many, mind - that fit your latter description all too well!

None that treated me, though. Thank God.

There was this Dentist though.....

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: ColeYounger

The people who will be arguing against everything the three
gentlemen have said. Aren't even worth engaging.

What I see in threads like these are people who are too terrified to even consider that perhaps the choice they made to vax was a grave mistake. Time will tell.

a reply to: underpass61

What I see in threads like these are people who are too terrified to even consider that perhaps the choice they made to vax was a grave mistake. Time will tell.

You remind to wish them no ill will but this is how I see them.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: ColeYounger

The people who will be arguing against everything the three
gentlemen have said. Aren't even worth engaging.

Well, of course, because according to you anti-vaxxers, we're walking around as mind controlled zombie slaves infecting the rest of you with spike proteins we shed after the shots and it will kill all of us within the year.

Can't argue with zombies.

a reply to: underpass61

Seeing terrified people is a 2-way street.

Btw, if I die ... I die.

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: ColeYounger

The people who will be arguing against everything the three
gentlemen have said. Aren't even worth engaging.

What I see in threads like these are people who are too terrified to even consider that perhaps the choice they made to vax was a grave mistake. Time will tell.

What I see in threads like these are people who are too terrified to even consider that perhaps the choice they made to not vax was a grave mistake. Time will tell.

Works both ways.

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: ColeYounger

The people who will be arguing against everything the three
gentlemen have said. Aren't even worth engaging.

What I see in threads like these are people who are too terrified to even consider that perhaps the choice they made to vax was a grave mistake. Time will tell.

You see that because you have your blinkers on.

Me and Mrs Carpy have had our 2 AZ jabs and can assure you we are in no way "terrified". Why on Earth you think we might be is just beyond me.

a reply to: ketsuko

We're all going to die. I'm just not interested in introducing variables that could just as easily speed it up rather than slow it down.
Some trust the vax, some trust their immunities and the proven therapeutics. No one seems to trust both.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well, of course, because according to you anti-vaxxers, we're walking around as mind controlled zombie slaves infecting the rest of you with spike proteins we shed after the shots and it will kill all of us within the year.

Can't argue with zombies.

You're wrong tossing me in with anti vaxxers and you can't quote me
saying any such thing ever. I'm far more direct than that.

Maybe like this "This is not science"

Something like that.

a reply to: carewemust

Not exactly true. Even to healthy adults covid can create clotting issues. I think the reason the vaccine can do it is because it is mimicking covid which is known to do it.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: ketsuko

We're all going to die. I'm just not interested in introducing variables that could just as easily speed it up rather than slow it down.
Some trust the vax, some trust their immunities and the proven therapeutics. No one seems to trust both.

Is it just as easily? The evidence suggests otherwise. Unless you have already had covid.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes, but out of many millions who have been vaccinated quite a lot of those will die of natural causes, etc. Simple statistics. Where is the evidence they died because of the vaccine?

Doctor's are obfuscating vaccine deaths. When an otherwise healthy person gets the vax and dies, doctors say things like:
"After careful examination, we've concluded the vaccine had nothing to do with the person's death."
It's laughable.

So where's your evidence that these doctors are wrong and that you are right?

Can you address the statistical point I raised?

Why would doctors - who in my experience are generally good people - do this?

Why is it "laughable"?

I had a brief interesting convo with my biotech GF, and she said something that is so obvious but noone ever thinks about or questions.

It was in relation to her getting checked up for something. Given her two degrees in biology she is quite knowledgeable about the body and how it works, so she pretty much knew what was wrong, and told the doctor to look for that.
But his response was doubt....

She told me, doctors are really just tool users, they are not per say researchers. In most cases, active bio researchers know more about the body and in this case Covid, than a general practitioner.

You have to remember that your normal doctor spends his or her whole day attending patients. They don't have time to do research and follow up on the lastest.
So they get their "knowledge" from the general announcements to practitioners.

In this day and age, bio tech moves so fast, that my GF said that in her field and latest degree from 2-3 years ago, there will be many things today that even she does not know or understand.

That's also why you as a patient can experience having found out something about yourself or your illness, because you actually went through the trouble to google, which will make the doc go "huh... nah...".

a reply to: musicismagic

No, because we are using theirs, big pharma paid millions to China in order to be able to market their shot as made by the big pharmas, with the promise of European markets to be for China first.

The formula for this shots is all china,

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: musicismagic

No, because we are using theirs, big pharma paid millions to China in order to be able to market their shot as made by the big pharmas, with the promise of European markets to be for China first.

The formula for this shots is all china,

Is it? Got any evidence for this? I had the AZ shots. Made in Oxford in the UK.