NASA is studying UFOs again

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
... The military side of NASA remains classified and that side's UFO information remains secret.

Easy to say. What verifiable evidence/testimony persuaded you it could be real?

originally posted by: easynow
80+ years of UFO reports but NASA has never reported any.
zero, none, nada, zip
Why is NASA immune from the UAP phenomena ?

Here are some:

www.jamesoberg.com...

a reply to: easynow

There is plenty of disinfo out there tuppence a bag but if its classified how would you know?
Tesla was an early voice for extraterrestrial intelligence.

"During my experiments there [Colorado Springs, 1899], Mars was at a relatively small distance from us and, in that dry and rarefied air, Venus appeared so large and bright that it might have been mistaken for one of those military signaling lights. . . I came to the conclusion that [Mars] was sufficient to exert a noticeable influence on a delicate receiver of the kind I was perfecting. . . my ear barely caught signals coming in regular succession which could not have been produced on earth, caused by any solar or lunar action or by the influence of Venus, and the possibility that they might have come from Mars flashed upon my mind." Nikola Tesla, 1919

Classified military communications from the 1800's would have been a bridge too far for most of us to conceive.
Really not sure what Tesla heard, it may have just been some thought provoking electrical phenomena like Fraunhofer lines.

radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov...

a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

This paper suggests that what Tesla heard was the regular emissions Jupiter makes in the radio spectrum, and that he concluded they were from Mars because he wanted them to:

radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Teska was a clever person, but being a clever person does not preclude you from confirmation bias.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: fromunclexcommunicate

This paper suggests that what Tesla heard was the regular emissions Jupiter makes in the radio spectrum, and that he concluded they were from Mars because he wanted them to:

radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Teska was a clever person, but being a clever person does not preclude you from confirmation bias.

He was also at a great disadvantage in regards to what was known at the time about space science, and so made assumptions from the hip, so to speak. Jules Vern was pretty popular back then.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

And HG Wells, who had a bit of a thing about Martians

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Maybe both Wells and Tesla were thinking of Mars from the Roman god of war mythology?
From the NASA link Tesla talked about the military use of signals intelligence.
A brief search finds the military was using electromagnetic telegraphy during the US civil war as well as carrier pigeons.
Electromagnetic induction was well known by then.
I doubt they were bouncing microwave energy off the moon till after Tesla reported his Mars communications so it wasn't that.

H.G. Wells wrote more symbolically than Tesla

The darkness grew apace; a cold wind began to blow in freshening gusts from the east, and the showering white flakes in the air increased in number. From the edge of the sea came a ripple and whisper. Beyond these lifeless sounds the world was silent. Silent? It would be hard to convey the stillness of it. All the sounds of man, the bleating of sheep, the cries of birds, the hum of insects, the stir that makes the background of our lives - all that was over.

"Der Wind, der Wind,/ Das himmlische Kind."

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: Arbitrageur

As far as Conrad and Gordon's recollection is concerned, I suspect Gordon's is more likely.

Thanks for all the great research, but how closely did you review your own research? If your research is accurate, I would have thought you would conclude it excludes Gordon's explanation. Of course, I'm not sure your research is correct so I'm still not sure which explanation is correct. No offense, in fact I compliment you on your research skills, you're obviously a great researcher, as is Jim Oberg, but it's possible you might have an error somewhere.

Weitz asks a great question about the nadir point, or center of the disc of the earth they are looking at, in the transcript, which is where we would expect to see either reflection phenomenon. The astronauts confirm it's at the nadir, or center.

Here's the transcript at that point (irrelevant bits removed):

history.nasa.gov...

"241:33:20 Weitz: Roger. Understand. Does it appear to be coming from your nadir point, which should be just off the Eastern coast of India now?
241:33:28 Conrad: Yes. Looks like it's coming just about out of the center of what we're looking at. I would say south of Burma and east of India.
241:33:39 Weitz: Roger. That's just about your nadir. [Long pause.] "
...
Here's what they would have been looking at:

I took your image and added yellow crosshairs which intersect at the center or "nadir point" as Weitz called it.


Now I ask you, what is at the center of that image (aka the "nadir point"), is it land or water? The crosshairs could be a pixel or two off, but the ocean is many, many pixels away from where those lines intersect.

It's perfectly possible that two different 'experts' gave perfectly reasonable explanations to each of them and they are both accurately reporting what they were told. Either could be right.

Possibly. But if your view of the Earth is right, that excludes one of the two explanations, because there is no ocean water at the nadir point to give an ocean reflection, it looks like land.

It's a shame they weren't given better camera settings by Houston (they were quite annoyed about that) - the 'eclipse' event was anticipated but no-one thought to tell them what settings to use, or give them specific film for it. Venus is definitely in the photographs they took (possibly Jupiter as well) but they've had to allow for the bright sun's "diamond ring".

True, but I imagine it's a hard thing to photograph with any settings, and you would need to know exactly what you want to show up in the photograph, sort of like we see no stars in the photos on the moon because we wanted to photograph the surface of the moon...it's hard to get everything to show up with such a contrast in brightness levels.

Something new to chew on Jimmy and Arbi…..

Posted yesterday

A mysterious array of bright lights just appeared on the space station live-stream and people are worried

Source Article and Vid news.google.com...

Ice Crystals? Urine Dump?…..what’s the consensus?

Btw…if it is believed to be a urine dump…someone needs to see a doctor….I see blood red orbs mixed in with the white orbs.

I’ll stick with UFO’s/UAP’s……for now

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Since as usual such video posting omit the date/time, we can't tell where the ISS was passing over.

But the reddit discussion consensus is already that it's a normal fishing fleet.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: Arbitrageur

As far as Conrad and Gordon's recollection is concerned, I suspect Gordon's is more likely.

Thanks for all the great research, but how closely did you review your own research? If your research is accurate, I would have thought you would conclude it excludes Gordon's explanation.

Why would I conclude that? Gordon's version (and one subsequently reported by NASA) seems more reasonable given that water si more reflective than clouds.

Of course, I'm not sure your research is correct so I'm still not sure which explanation is correct. No offense, in fact I compliment you on your research skills, you're obviously a great researcher, as is Jim Oberg, but it's possible you might have an error somewhere.

No offence taken, I'm also unsure which is correct, but on balance I think Gordon't is more likely.

Weitz asks a great question about the nadir point, or center of the disc of the earth they are looking at, in the transcript, which is where we would expect to see either reflection phenomenon. The astronauts confirm it's at the nadir, or center.

Here's the transcript at that point (irrelevant bits removed):

history.nasa.gov...

"241:33:20 Weitz: Roger. Understand. Does it appear to be coming from your nadir point, which should be just off the Eastern coast of India now?
241:33:28 Conrad: Yes. Looks like it's coming just about out of the center of what we're looking at. I would say south of Burma and east of India.
241:33:39 Weitz: Roger. That's just about your nadir. [Long pause.] "
...
Here's what they would have been looking at:

I took your image and added yellow crosshairs which intersect at the center or "nadir point" as Weitz called it.

Now I ask you, what is at the center of that image (aka the "nadir point"), is it land or water? The crosshairs could be a pixel or two off, but the ocean is many, many pixels away from where those lines intersect.

Celestia is a fiddly bit of software to move around, it was intended to be indicative, not definitive.

It's perfectly possible that two different 'experts' gave perfectly reasonable explanations to each of them and they are both accurately reporting what they were told. Either could be right.

Possibly. But if your view of the Earth is right, that excludes one of the two explanations, because there is no ocean water at the nadir point to give an ocean reflection, it looks like land.

Again, it entirely depends on how exact my interpretation was. I coudl repeat the view many different times and get slightly different versions each time. What I intended to show was that they were looking at what they said they were looking at, and that the weather systems at the time allowed for plenty of ocean. The Tibetan plateau (and much of the rest of Southern and South-East Asia) was pretty clear of cloud, and there was indeed a series of storms along the equator where Conrad suggested.

It's a shame they weren't given better camera settings by Houston (they were quite annoyed about that) - the 'eclipse' event was anticipated but no-one thought to tell them what settings to use, or give them specific film for it. Venus is definitely in the photographs they took (possibly Jupiter as well) but they've had to allow for the bright sun's "diamond ring".

True, but I imagine it's a hard thing to photograph with any settings, and you would need to know exactly what you want to show up in the photograph, sort of like we see no stars in the photos on the moon because we wanted to photograph the surface of the moon...it's hard to get everything to show up with such a contrast in brightness levels.

True, but later missions took specific film for stellar photography, and to capture the solar corona, views of the moon in earthshine and zodiacal light. Apollo 15 took photographs of a lunar eclipse. All these later missions had precise instructions and the correct film as part of the mission planning. The Apollo 12 eclipse was anticipated but not planned for, much to the crew's chagrin.

It's all moot: the alleged UFO was the reflected moon.

I have one question for NASA , We have Roveres on Mars exploring why don't we have underwater drones exploring the deep oceans ? UFO'S have been seen for thousands of years to me it would only be logical for them to have bases here on earth . Every UFO seen can't have just finished a interstellar journey.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
It's all moot: the alleged UFO was the reflected moon.

That much is clear.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
I have one question for NASA , We have Roveres on Mars exploring why don't we have underwater drones exploring the deep oceans ? UFO'S have been seen for thousands of years to me it would only be logical for them to have bases here on earth . Every UFO seen can't have just finished a interstellar journey.

The project to map the ocean floor is about 20% done with plans to complete it by 2030 or so, but I don't think your expectation they would find anything related to UFOs makes much sense.

Project to map entire ocean floor by 2030 passes 20% mark

The project, called Seabed 2030, aims to map 100% of the global ocean floor by 2030 using largely crowd-sourced data from science vessels, corporations and private boat owners around the world. The current level of coverage shows a modest increase over last year's figure of 19% (research was hampered by COVID-19, project director and hydrographer Jamie McMichael-Phillips told the BBC), but the project has nevertheless seen huge gains since its inception four years ago.

It's funded by a rich person so if that's not the project you had in mind, if you're rich you can fund a different project.

The Canary islands UFO pictured in these artists conceptions came from under the water we found out much after the fact when missile tests were declassified, but submarines are elusive by design so you may not even find them in such a project and even if you did, how would you know the US submarine that launched a missile was the source of that UFO? There's no way to tell that by looking at the submarine, even if you can find it.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Those were Trident missile tests, they are discussed on pp. 61-71 of this report
satobs.org...
including the bizarre 'humanoid' sighting.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: easynow
80+ years of UFO reports but NASA has never reported any.
zero, none, nada, zip
Why is NASA immune from the UAP phenomena ?

Here are some:

www.jamesoberg.com...

We're going around in circles, ... Spacecraft debri and ice are not UFOs


Sigh.






I'll say it again ....


80+ years of UFO reports but NASA has never reported any.

zero, none, nada, zippo, nothing.







The DoD is reporting UAP encounters,







Why is NASA immune from the phenomena ?
















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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Ice Crystals? Urine Dump?…..what’s the consensus?

My guess is oil field lights. Looks just like them.

a reply to: easynow

It's in that link, understand that. These were touted as UFOs by the UFO/ET cult for years. An answer is given at that point with rational explanations, now you want other photos of "real" spacecraft. Those are the real UFOs, explained. Not catching that?

How about the 6.4 Billion cell phones in use today? A great conspiracy by citizens worldwide as well refusing to reveal the photos? Like NASA? Start back in 2016 when there were 3.6 Billion cell phones in use. That's 5 years to take a clear photo of all those UFOs that NASA has been hiding. Where are they? Where's the silly anger at them?

originally posted by: easynow

Why is NASA immune from the phenomena ?

Obviously they aren't immune from exposure to the phenomenon but in terms of reporting there are some obvious reasons why no releases such as from the DoD.

Firstly that UAP's are researched in greater depth and identified and secondly that if it isn't a potential safety matter or has any high strangeness involved it would be somewhat career limiting to pursue officially.

The not so obvious is that maybe NASA aren't in the business of whatever the agencies involved in the recent leaks are or maybe the phenomenon itself is earth bound.

Of course they could be holding lots of information but my bet would be that anything NASA have obtained that ended up as an unknown would be passed on to a military agency anyway.