NASA is studying UFOs again

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

For once you're right. No-one has seen aliens.

However, HG Wells published War of the Worlds in 1898, so the idea of alien life and spaceships was a thing in the 19th century.

At least we both agree that nobody has seen aliens, that's good.

Wells' book is the first time most people had ever heard about 'aliens', only 3 years BEFORE the 20th century, so to call it a 'thing in the 19th century' is quite a stretch, too! In 1939, it was broadcast on radio, read by Orson Welles, and caused mass hysteria and panic, by people who thought it was a REAL news report!

It proved how powerful, and influential, the mass media was, even then! Which was the whole POINT of their broadcast in the first place! It was an experiment, to see how people would react to a fantasy about 'Martians attacking the Earth!'

People who never saw aliens before, never HEARD of aliens until a sci-fi NOVEL mentioned 'Martians', all thought they DID exist, and were 'attacking Earth', because they heard it on their radios! It's hardly surprising that so many people today believe in aliens, believe they've seen aliens, believe they've been 'abducted' by aliens, and so on, after countless sci-fi movies, TV series, books, etc. with 'aliens' in them!

As I said, 'aliens' came from popular culture, sci-fi stories, they are modern mythology, modern fable, fiction, and fantasy. All made up, packaged, and sold as real, to a gullible public!

Once they had technologies to fake alien craft, we suddenly saw 'strange, silent, fast moving lights at night'! Not until the late 20th century, of course, 'aliens' didn't perform 10 minute 'light shows' over parts of New Mexico or Arizona before then! Now they ALWAYS perform light shows, all over the place!

Anyone can connect the dots here, if they simply use their brains for once, instead of being TOLD what to believe!

Lot of sound and fury and boundless speculation unconstrained by a smidgeon of evidence -- very disappointing.

originally posted by: JimOberg
Lot of sound and fury and boundless speculation unconstrained by a smidgeon of evidence -- very disappointing.

It's quite disturbing, as well.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

For once you're right. No-one has seen aliens.

However, HG Wells published War of the Worlds in 1898, so the idea of alien life and spaceships was a thing in the 19th century.

At least we both agree that nobody has seen aliens, that's good.

Wells' book is the first time most people had ever heard about 'aliens', only 3 years BEFORE the 20th century, so to call it a 'thing in the 19th century' is quite a stretch, too! In 1939, it was broadcast on radio, read by Orson Welles, and caused mass hysteria and panic, by people who thought it was a REAL news report!

Not strictly true. Otto Binder'a book "Flyng saucers are watching you" documents cases as far back as the 17th century that are attrivuted to aliens landing. They aren't, obviously.

It proved how powerful, and influential, the mass media was, even then! Which was the whole POINT of their broadcast in the first place! It was an experiment, to see how people would react to a fantasy about 'Martians attacking the Earth!'

People who never saw aliens before, never HEARD of aliens until a sci-fi NOVEL mentioned 'Martians', all thought they DID exist, and were 'attacking Earth', because they heard it on their radios! It's hardly surprising that so many people today believe in aliens, believe they've seen aliens, believe they've been 'abducted' by aliens, and so on, after countless sci-fi movies, TV series, books, etc. with 'aliens' in them!

Again, not strictly true. Wells' work tapped into popular speculation about Martian life resulting from telescopic observations that seemed to show canals. The development of science-fiction using life on other planets as a device parallels very closely the development of astronomy and the rise of science as a whole, and Wells was not the first writer to use those devices.

Orson Welles' dramatisation of the book is mistakenly claimed to have caused widespread panic, but that is also not true. Some people were fooled, which made good newspaper headlines, but most people recognised it for what it was.

As I said, 'aliens' came from popular culture, sci-fi stories, they are modern mythology, modern fable, fiction, and fantasy. All made up, packaged, and sold as real, to a gullible public!

Once they had technologies to fake alien craft, we suddenly saw 'strange, silent, fast moving lights at night'! Not until the late 20th century, of course, 'aliens' didn't perform 10 minute 'light shows' over parts of New Mexico or Arizona before then! Now they ALWAYS perform light shows, all over the place!

Anyone can connect the dots here, if they simply use their brains for once, instead of being TOLD what to believe!

Again, I can't entirely disagree.

I am more than happy to believe that we are not alone in the universe, but I am not prepared to believe anyone that says that they've met them in person. Where we diverge is that you seem to think that there is an over-arching conspiracy to present alien life as a real thing by "them", whereas it is mostly people trying to make a fast buck out of others who very much want to believe that "they" are doing the exact opposite.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The fact that NASA (or anyone else) is not presenting evidence of alien visitation is not because they are hiding it, it is because there isn't any, and they certainly aren't inventing stories for your benefit. Other agencies presenting videos saying "we're not sure what this is" is also not the same as "this is aliens".

Why are so many people claiming NASA is 'hiding' evidence of 'aliens', when NASA claims to have no evidence at all, of aliens, nor knows of any evidence of aliens?

The US military, which includes NASA, a military agency in itself, under the guise of being a 'scientific' organization, or such BS, plays both sides at once.

They showed their agenda with the famous 'Roswell event', of course. This was what made people think the US military was 'hiding something', and there was an 'alien cover up', by the military.

People saw the military showing weather balloon pieces, claiming that's what 'crashed' at Roswell, no big deal!

But people who were there at the time, said that the military came in, and took something big away on trucks, which was covered up by tarps, so what is it the military has covered up here? That's very fishy, isn't it?

They WANT people to believe they're covering up evidence of aliens, while saying they're not hiding anything, NASA doesn't believe aliens have been to Earth, nor seen any proof of aliens existing, but obviously, say how they're always 'looking out in space for signs of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe'!

Meanwhile, astronauts talk about seeing something strange in space, perhaps aliens, but they are not 'sure'!

Then we find NASA projects on aliens, strange craft, what may be alien or not alien craft reports by military personnel, and so on.

Say one thing, leave signs it's a secret, they're hiding something about 'aliens', and what will YOU believe, if NASA comes forth, and says they WERE hiding the truth about aliens, for our protection, to prevent mass panic, or whatever?

People would think THAT is why they kept aliens a secret all along, but now, they HAD to tell us about it, since aliens are here on Earth, look like humans, and we must stop them taking over Earth, or making us slaves, or who knows?

I'm speculating here, of course, but if it did happen, what would you think of it all? Would you believe they hid aliens from us, or would you know that it's all BS?

originally posted by: turbonium1
Why are so many people claiming NASA is 'hiding' evidence of 'aliens', when NASA claims to have no evidence at all, of aliens, nor knows of any evidence of aliens?

The most plausible claim I've heard for NASA having evidence of extraterrestrial life (by plausible, I mean it might be right, doesn't mean it is right) comes from Gilbert Levin, who designed the experiment to detect life on Mars performed by the Viking landers in the 1970s.

In this video, he explains how the experiments likely did detect life on Mars, and what he sees as the problems with NASA's claim that the life detection results are at best ambiguous. He also says a more modern version of the experiment employing chirality* could settle the question of whether some chemical process mimicked life because chemical processes and life would definitely react differently to the chirality test according to him. He thinks NASA has political reasons to avoid doing more life detection experiments which could have ambiguous results.

Gilbert Levin: Mars microbes -- proof from the Viking missions?

The architect of experiments to detect microbes that went to Mars in the 1970s says they showed life on the red planet.

I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s, by Gilbert Levin 2019-10-10

...a panel of expert scientists should review all pertinent data of the Viking LR together with other and more recent evidence concerning life on Mars. Such an objective jury might conclude, as I did, that the Viking LR did find life.

Did his experiment detect alien life or just some chemical reaction? I don't know the answer but Levin makes a rather convincing case for why he believes this evidence should at least be re-visited by a team of expert scientists, because he thinks it's more likely to show life than a chemical reaction. He explains that part of the experiment was a control test to be able to tell the difference, and that control test suggested life rather than a chemical reaction.

*This paper discusses the proposed chirality addition to the LR experiment.
Can Chirality Give Proof of Extinct or Extant Life?

It's simple.... It's part of the game played by those convinced that Earth is being visited that have no real proof. In their minds, NASA has to be hiding this evidence of visitation, that's the only way. In reality, NASA would likely see craft flying in and out of the atmosphere, but haven't. So a great conspiracy created to fit their belief. It's psychological and ignorance.

Meanwhile on Earth there hasn't been a single ounce of physical evidence that we've been visited, ever. This anger they have should be vented towards people like Bob Lazar who has been saying for almost 35 years he has physical evidence. He's shown this evidence in action with friends through video. He's made claims for years so the U.S. government knows this. There's nothing hidden. He has told people like George Knapp who has the supposed video and claims to know where 115 is buried. Forget arguing his education, be angry and upset at Lazar and Knapp for not giving you, the believers, this evidence. They will both continue this BS indefinitely when believers excuse them. Hold them accountable for once.

It's misplaced anger and frustrations.

Fantastic point you made there. One of the most logical I've seen in a long time. No one I know presently or ever employed by NASA, that wouldn't like to prove aliens exist, especially intelligent ones. They take a lot of grief for nothing.







a reply to: Ectoplasm8

a reply to: turbonium1

" Meanwhile, astronauts talk about seeing something strange in space, perhaps aliens, but they are not 'sure'! Then we find NASA projects on aliens, strange craft, what may be alien or not alien craft reports by military personnel, and so on."

That's the problem, people keep making up stuff like this with false quotes and zero original sources.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
It's simple.... It's part of the game played by those convinced that Earth is being visited that have no real proof. In their minds, NASA has to be hiding this evidence of visitation, that's the only way. In reality, NASA would likely see craft flying in and out of the atmosphere, but haven't. So a great conspiracy created to fit their belief. It's psychological and ignorance.

Meanwhile on Earth there hasn't been a single ounce of physical evidence that we've been visited, ever. This anger they have should be vented towards people like Bob Lazar who has been saying for almost 35 years he has physical evidence. He's shown this evidence in action with friends through video. He's made claims for years so the U.S. government knows this. There's nothing hidden. He has told people like George Knapp who has the supposed video and claims to know where 115 is buried. Forget arguing his education, be angry and upset at Lazar and Knapp for not giving you, the believers, this evidence. They will both continue this BS indefinitely when believers excuse them. Hold them accountable for once.

It's misplaced anger and frustrations.

Lazar is a distraction case and the MIC is well aware of fastwalker objects entering the atmosphere and there's no way NASA doesn't know about it (the higher rank people) because they are under the DoD umbrella.



In the early 1980's I had a close encounter with a non-human "craft" and it was intelligently controlled.

The "craft" descended from the upper atmosphere and vectored (flew) around the sky doing different things and then it came towards me and stopped directly overhead. It was maybe 30-40 feet above me and I could have easily thrown something at it, it was that close.

Then some other things happened that i won't say here because of the ridicule factor.


Most people have not had a close encounter experience like I have, so I can certainly understand why you said what you said but imo your viewpoint is based totally on ignorance.







Have a nice day

I think it’s interesting that our current NASA administrator is a Baptist (or so it appears):

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Baptist’s tend to be the least likely branch of Christianity to “believe in alien life”:

www.futurity.org...

Makes me wonder if that could impact the findings, methodology, seriousness of the effort or release of information about what we discover.

Man I don't know how to convince you, but no one wants to find life outside the earth like NASA. They want to find it first, show it to you and get you out there demanding their biggest budget ever. Just TRY to see it like that, you may find it true.






a reply to: Hamburgler

originally posted by: vance
Man I don't know how to convince you, but no one wants to find life outside the earth like NASA.

Gilbert Levin doesn't seem convinced, did you watch his video?

He thinks NASA already found life on Mars using the experiment he designed but they deny it and claim it's not or that it's ambiguous at best. Now Levin claims that NASA's denials have been debunked, and he says even if it's really ambiguous, why haven't they sent any more life detecting experiments to Mars to settle the issue?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

Came across this image the other day. Chicago seen from 50 miles away at Indiana Dunes. Reminded me of this sighting.

DoD Avengers assemble .... lol

UAP Task Force Initiated Contact with NASA To Brief Them on UFOs; But They Won’t Say Why

...the UAPTF, they initiated contact with NASA and requested that they brief them on UAPs in a secure setting.
But the exact reason WHY, remains unknown.....

On September 13, 2020, then Acting Associate Administrator for the Office of International and Interagency Relations, Mike Gold,....talks about a briefing he would be attending “at the request of the UAPTF.”...

Prior to working with NASA, Gold worked for Bigelow Aerospace... from February of 2003 through April of 2016. This would put him within Bigelow Aerospace as the Director of D.C. Operations & Business Growth, when they were operating...allegedly investigating paranormal events and UFO sightings for the Defense Intelligence Agency.

a reply to: Blue Shift

re Canary Islands humanoids observation....
See pp 61-75 for the context of those artist concepts...
satobs.org...

NASA in the loop ...

On August 4, 2020, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced the establishment of the UAP Task Force (UAPTF). Its mission, according to the press release, was to “improve its understanding of, and gain insight into, the nature and origins of [Unidentified Aerial Phenomena] UAPs. The mission of the task force is to detect, analyze and catalog UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.” The DoD noted that incursions within “training ranges or designated airspace” would be the primary focus, and since its creation, they have conducted classified briefings on the topic for The White House, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, and others.

Now, a new document sheds light on what else they were doing behind the scenes. In a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by The Black Vault, it was revealed by the response that in the first month after the establishment of the UAPTF, they initiated contact with NASA and requested that the task force brief NASA on UAPs in a secure setting.

But the exact reason WHY, remains unknown.


This presentation is a breakdown of the story.

The written version, with the documents, can be seen here: www.theblackvault.com...

NASA & The Classified UAPTF Briefing About UFOs

Link - www.youtube.com...

Rockets launched at night are commonly perceived as UFO's.

Good work on that, btw.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Hahaha are you aware the US Government has said UFO/UAP's are real after 70 years of reports? The video footage "leaked" is by soldiers, air force pilots, and/or military staff. According to Joe Rogan, Christopher Mellon says the US Government 100% has way better video footage of UFO/UAP's than the grainy footage that's been released. The reason those are kept classified because it will compromise security for our top spy and defense technology.

We have satellites in space that can read a license plate, why would they let the general public completely know about this technology? We would all panic that we're being spied on from space. There's definitely high def footage of UFOs. You're being ridiculous.

With NASA, it would be so easy for NASA to cover up any UFO encounter because each mission is not worked on by all of a NASA. They can be up to maybe 300 people, but they're all doing different things. So if on a particular mission, if an encounter happened, not everyone working on the mission would know, because they would be busy working on something else with the mission.

I can't imagine the first photos from a Mars Rover or a Satellite would be looked at by everyone at NASA or everyone on the team for that mission. I think the team members who are engineers or chemists for example are not the first people to review the photos the first time.

NASA has been hacked a couple times at least, so the opportunity for them to hack themselves and cover things up I'd imagine would be pretty easy. So if photos or radar images take say 30 mins to get back, maybe it's really 28 minutes and for 2 minutes someone at NASA is photoshopping out the UFO's before the science team gets their first look at the photos/images.

Obviously NASA would keep the originals hidden somewhere. There's nothing to be said to the general public, and if they ever did there would have to be a real serious reason. Why would they expose everything just for fun?

Saying Bob Lazar is the only person claiming evidence of Extra Terrestrials, is obviously not true.

a reply to: game over man

I can't imagine the first photos from a Mars Rover or a Satellite would be looked at by everyone at NASA or everyone on the team for that mission. I think the team members who are engineers or chemists for example are not the first people to review the photos the first time.

New images are filtered through AI computer programs that can detect objects and patterns.

Some of these programs have the capability to edit out anomalies before any human see's them.


I could post some links to technical papers that demonstrate what I'm saying, but if I do, they will disappear.


A search for "image manipulation artificial intelligence" will give you some basic info.