Feds’ cover-up of UFOs puts US at risk, ex-Pentagon official warns

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

This.

They want me to believe that, suddenly: "We have looked at some footage and anekdotes and holy Y$"% it's real, we also confess we can do nothing against the phenomenon. Message over".

Even though for decades they have had similar information, they (government) destroyed lifes over it. Now all of a sudden they come clean with it in that way, so casually? 180° turn? In this period of time?

I don't buy it.

The comments in here are "interesting" let's say, considering this is such a right wing conservative website.

1.
It makes perfect sense old USA conservative Christian military government people end up thinking UFO's are demons.

2.
That was the first fear that came up, that ET Disclosure would destroy Religion...That's why it's covered up. That's an old school conspiracy...so it makes perfect sense. We've been told all along.

Everyone posting in here might not be religious, but you definitely know there are people who are very religious, and those people could have worked in the US Military and Government in the 1940's, 1950's etc...

The UFO's are most likely not demons, but those behind the cover up over the decades might be hardcore military conservative Christians and demons are their conclusion because of their religious beliefs and political ideology.

I wouldn't put it past them.

a reply to: Randyvine

You have no idea how depressing it is to me just to know people like you exist.
You can't even follow the conversation I'm trying to have with you yet you're convinced you know the truth about anything.
Let alone issues so complex we struggle to find words and concepts that could at least approximately describe them in simplified metaphors that are not outright false/lies.
But ancient folks who just discovered the magic of writing knew, right? That's making me so sick.
What's next? Are we going to ask a bunch of chimpanzees why neither super-symmetry nor multiverse match the data?

If you want to talk about God, Christanity and demons, fine, let's do that for a second:
What have we learned thanks to the religious approach about what God is?

One of the smartest minds mankind has produced says he can't imagine it, sure 'just' a scientist, but religion in general when asked about God answers always "can't be understood, can't be described, can't be imagined..."
You need a very laissez-faire definition of 'knowing' or 'the truth' if you want to accept 'I don't know' as the ultimate fact don't you think?
It's a #ing cop out.

Christianity,

is all about submission. The world is horrible, your rulers are foul creatures, to live means to suffer, but you have to accept that, God wants it that way, because maybe there's a life after this one that could be better if you're a 'good person' which is basically impossible in a world like this, but ey don't think about it or question it because that will land you in hell for sure.
...how you guys get that together with Jesus, sorcerer, Lucifer and revolutionary par excellence is beyond me - but it's just another one of those things we aren't allowed to discuss because religion is so #ing awesome.

And 'demons' I tried to ask you what that means for you, you just ignored that, so let's take the most basic definition: rebells against God.
Well we both agree the world is #ed up, right? A lot of things are wrong, lies, deception, suffering, death... because 'God' wants it that way
In the framework of the conundrum good vs evil: imagine your boss wants you to torture innocent folks for the heck of it, dangling the carrot of salvation forever unattainable in front of them - are you good or evil if you carry out his will or if you rebell against that?


Don't worry I know you will be blinded by your rage after reading this and I don't expect you to get what I'm trying to say.
If I could maybe at least make you see you can't trust anything, you have to doubt everything and nothing is what it seems to be...
wishful thinking

a reply to: Peeple

You have no idea how depressing it is to me just to know people like you exist.

Give it twenty years.

Don't worry I know you will be blinded by your rage after reading this and I don't expect you to get what I'm trying to say.

On the contrary! I'm impressed and would love to answer.
But I think we're off topic. Perhaps you can forward this
and save it for a more appropriate thread?

a reply to: Peeple

A lot of things are wrong, lies, deception, suffering, death... because 'God' wants it that way

I asked similar questions. The answer was it's free will.

Like, it's the free will of the perpetuator, this is why God is cool with the suffering. That's the explanation. On top of it, you will grow through suffering.

However I think about religion, I acknowledge that it provides a set of rules for the people. In the end it's always mass control for that you need a working society with some rules. We all know that some rules or accepted behavior was as violent as it could be, like burning witches or beheading infidels.

a reply to: Peeple

Wiki Jacques Vallee

Although ETH has remained the predominant explanation for UFOs by UFOlogists,[2] some ufologists have abandoned it in favor of IDH. Paranormal researcher Brad Steiger wrote that "we are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon that is largely indigenous to planet Earth".[3] Other UFOlogists, such as John Ankerberg and John Weldon, advocate IDH because it fits the explanation of UFOs as a spiritistic phenomenon. Commenting on the disparity between the ETH and the accounts that people have made of UFO encounters, Ankerberg and Weldon wrote "the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors."[4] In the book UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse published in 1970, John Keel linked UFOs to folkloric or supernatural concepts such as ghosts and demons.

You may like the book FINAL EVENTS Jacques Vallee

Well we both agree the world is #ed up, right? A lot of things are wrong, lies, deception, suffering, death... because 'God' wants it that way

I don't understand where get people these strange deductions. This isn't the world
he intended and God doesn't make things to die. Death is a curse he warned
us about straight away. We are responsible for death entering Gods perfect
creation. We listened to a lie and disobeyed the only one we should listen to.
You're an example of that even today.

a reply to: Peeple

Heh, I hear that descriptive word about myself perhaps too often... but I can wear that hat. Everything about this "world," from the tippy tops to infinite, fractal bottoms, from the boring and mundane to the most abstract and convoluted, is WEIRD.

But sure, Lovecraftian in the sense of "cosmic neglect" or casual demolition could be the way of things... and seems to be to most sheltered, mom smothered nerdy, smugly boy- poets, heh.

As far as the Demon of Doubt being listed in Solomon's official arcane demon compendium or in some cuneiform tablet, I dunno. It's Sunday and my google finger is otherwise occupied. The self described Christians who were up in my grill and trying to spread their peculiar philosophical infection seemed to think it was common knowlege.

A god of doubt would be a fine figurehead for casual consideration, though they would eschew worship and favor do-it-yourself rumination, I'd guess... maybe.

Several things are occurring. This I know from authority, but this is the internet so this is simply for the readers consideration:

1. First, I do not subscribe to all of this but for those in the know to consider the phenomena demonic, it pertains to a rational view with a semantic coining of demonic acts. www.theorionlines.com...

2. Demonic is indicative of intention. When the phenomena is not clearly understood and the people in position don’t want panic, nor have the capability to defend it - it is called demonic.

3. Those with Christian or biblical apoplectic underpinning may mistake the intention of the ET as demonic. Not to dissuade from a metaphysical construct of entropy and the soul but there is an underlying science and physics behind the phenomena. Namely technological superiority and non-homo sapiens philosophy of life and purpose, reducing our understanding and calling it demonic.

4. The Air Force and others in industry and think tanks will worry about an instability of institutions and religious belief. This is nothing new. Hence, the plea to stop the path of disclosure. I have zero doubt that the conversation took place as E stated.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Greenewald is one of the best. Your assessment that the others are feeding up crap is unsubstantiated and non objective, nonetheless . Maybe Corbell has a documentary to sell or Elizondo a pitchman for some kind of dog and pony show but these, only what you opinionated are strictly based on antidotes . Many and others have been on this TSA is a money grab nd Lazar is a liar for years. Maybe you need to step back and did some more solid concrete to breach?

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Greenewald is one of the best. Your assessment that the others are feeding up crap is unsubstantiated and non objective, nonetheless . Maybe Corbell has a documentary to sell

That Corbell is feeding us nonsense is completely substantiated and objective. The UFO he calls a pyramid is not a pyramid, and if he's got even a shred of competence as a film maker, he would know an out of focus light when he sees one. I'm not even a film maker and I recognized it as such immediately, there's little doubt it's just out of focus, when all the other lights like stars are also triangular shaped.


So that's definite proof he's feeding us total nonsense about the "pyramid".

Also, don't forget the lies and faked things he showed in the Lazar documentary, pretending the FBI raid on Lazar's business had something to do with element 115, when objective documentation shows it had nothing to do with 115 and everything to do with a murder investigation. That demonstrated without doubt that Corbell is not trustworthy, not to mention Lazar, see the proof here:

a reply to: Baddogma

God of Doubt, Demon of Doubt there's zero difference. I mean literally from our level they're all the same. You think you should be able to but you really can't tell any difference.

I guess I meant more like the Arkham Horror games: weird stuff happens, you collect artifacts and spells, all hell breaks lose you throw everything at it roll the dice and win or everything gets devoured.
That's what I want I guess because this vague 'I believe, could be... it's good, it's evil, but nothing really' it's annoying the living # out of me.
I have not the patience to hang around another few thousand years to wait for something that's never going to happen.
So let's just #ing do this now!

Yes I guess I'm weird too.

a reply to: Randyvine

From what I understand, the 'scriptures' speak an awful lot about not judging people, which you've been doing a lot of in this thread, bordering on violating the T&C's. Then when asked to explain your position, you gaslight in the most narcissistic way by making insulting statements like you're above educating anyone on your position.

This behavior does not fit the definition of a Christian by our own standards.

So if you could explain yourself on why all UFOs are demonic, it would be appreciated.

a reply to: NightVision

I find it humorous that when someone who believes in Christ
doesn't "Turn the other cheek" to unwarranted hateful insults.
And instead returns fire everyone is shocked. Nothing in scripture
says I have to be insulted or humiliated by anyone. Especially
someone who thinks they're better than me. You're the ones that
believe Christians should just get slapped around insulted even
beyond the T&C and absorb it. I don't believe that and even if I'm
wrong. What? You think I'll be condemned?

" No I won't be shot. More like chewed out. I been chewed out before"

Lieutenant Aldo Reins- Inglorious Bastards.

Judging people? That requires sentencing and I've done nothing of the
sort. You just don't like it when I offer my opinions in a reciprocated
manner.

You treat me kindly with the same respect I give you and the stupid
unintelligent childish insults never happen. What I believe leaves no
unfinished puzzle. I think that really bothers people when my puzzle
is finished and I have time to help them with theirs.

a reply to: NightVision

So if you could explain yourself on why all UFOs are demonic, it would be appreciated.

So you find that answer any where my reasons are the same as Dr. Hynek's.
Surely you are familiar with this concept. It's rough on atheism I know but
the only thing in the atheists way is hate. Don't blame me for those who've
followed the science and ended up at the same place scripture took me
decades ago.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: NightVision

I find it humorous that when someone who believes in Christ
doesn't "Turn the other cheek" to unwarranted hateful insults.
And instead returns fire everyone is shocked. Nothing in scripture
says I have to be insulted or humiliated by anyone. Especially
someone who thinks they're better than me. You're the ones that
believe Christians should just get slapped around insulted even
beyond the T&C and absorb it. I don't believe that and even if I'm
wrong. What? You think I'll be condemned?

" No I won't be shot. More like chewed out. I been chewed out before"

Lieutenant Aldo Reins- Inglorious Bastards.

Judging people? That requires sentencing and I've done nothing of the
sort. You just don't like it when I offer my opinions in a reciprocated
manner.

You treat me kindly with the same respect I give you and the stupid
unintelligent childish insults never happen. What I believe leaves no
unfinished puzzle. I think that really bothers people when my puzzle
is finished and I have time to help them with theirs.

I never once insulted you or your faith. And I'm reporting your insulting comments to the moderators. Sit tight.

a reply to: NightVision

Quote them please. I can't wait to see this.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: NightVision

Quote them please. I can't wait to see this.

That is the worst kind of delusional bullsh1t anyone can post.

See this is what I don't understand about the educated materialist.

You label people for their opinions and then claimed you are the one being labeled.

You think your perfect but you don't really know a damn thing.

You insult people and then respond claiming that you are the one being insulted.

Try understanding this with an open mind and with out any hostility.

Give him your pissy little tude.

You treat me kindly with the same respect I give you

You have been called out on this forum and everyone knows it.




Back on topic, I dont believe these craft to be demons.

he is absolutely right! Anyone who knows anything about our governments responses to ufo's know its a cover up.

Back on topic:

I don't believe these craft to be demons.

a reply to: NightVision


If you call those insults you haven't been around here very long.

I don't believe these craft to be demons.

I never said you have to.