Good news about long term immunity from vaccine

a reply to: vonclod

Eh, I personally feel that even the implied threat of "less work" is too far, but to each their own. I do hope you'll be letting us know on here if there are any issues with the vaccine. I meant what I said earlier: I do hope these vaccines prove out to work well.

My personal observations are that there can be serious side effects, but these are fairly uncommon and often can be anticipated by a doctor who is honest with his patients. My biggest concern at this time is that those who are demanding everyone get vaccinated are also saying that the vaccines don't work and masks still are necessary. It can't be both ways, and the voice of science is now barely a whisper among the roar of propaganda.

TheRedneck

BAD NEWS!!!

Moderna COVID-19 vaccine study shows protection lasts at least 6 months!

It looks like your current vaccine is out of date, meanwhile Pfizer and Moderna are working to update their vaccine.

www.chicagotribune.com...

BOSTON — New research suggests the protection the Moderna vaccine gives against COVID-19 lasts for at least six months.

The report Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine echoes what Pfizer said last week about its vaccine, which works in a similar way.

Both reports were based on follow-up tests in dozens of people who received the shots during studies that led to the vaccines’ use. Those studies were done before troubling new variants, or versions of the coronavirus, had emerged and started to spread.

Why on earth do people want to be guinea pigs to a useless vaccine?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: MrRCflying

Pointing out logic to sheeple is not shaming. We're trying to help them.
Help them to not be scared and tricked by a fascist world government's desire to inject you the something that you should not be taking.

Trying to WAKE PEOPLE UP is not shaming. It's CARING.

And for the other shoe, telling everyone you see about your injection is just a way to make yourself feel less dumb and is only to help you sleep at night with your really dumb decision.
Just looking for other dummies so they can feel ok while hanging out at the Dummies Members only club (with a mask on of course)

Just trying to help people!

Also, to play devil's advocate: People pay taxes and this helps us all. If a large percentage of the population 'drops out' due to vaccine brain damage...
Well, my taxes are going to go up!

Asking people to not get the vaccine will kill many more people over time than you actually help.

And herd immunity requires about 80% of the population to have immunity before it really attenuates an epidemic. You can go the slow way by waiting for everyone to catch COVID-19, probably taking years and with the mutagenic nature of the virus may never reach (look at what has happened with colds and 'flu's).

Or, we could immunize a very large portion of the population in about a year, and achieve a definite herd immunity and the attenuation of the pathogen, before it kills people according to its known and measured mortality rates.

But there is no such thing as covid 19. It’s just this years corona virus.
Hn1 and MERS are far worse and actually real viruses.

Why would you want people to take a vaccine for a virus that doesn’t even exist?
Seems really wrong to lead people on by continuing the fraud.
Hoping that you are just gullible and not actually trying to influence people to inject experimental vaccines for imaginary viruses.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: vonclod

Eh, I personally feel that even the implied threat of "less work" is too far, but to each their own. I do hope you'll be letting us know on here if there are any issues with the vaccine. I meant what I said earlier: I do hope these vaccines prove out to work well.

My personal observations are that there can be serious side effects, but these are fairly uncommon and often can be anticipated by a doctor who is honest with his patients. My biggest concern at this time is that those who are demanding everyone get vaccinated are also saying that the vaccines don't work and masks still are necessary. It can't be both ways, and the voice of science is now barely a whisper among the roar of propaganda.

TheRedneck

They never even implied there would be less work, we are all close, but they are playing it very safe, I play it safe, but not quite feeling their concern level, but I respect it, and do my part. One has some bad immune issues, been a rough go. I guess I took one for the team..still it was possible to lose out. It was a calculated risk I took.

We are in the worst shape since the start right now, #s wise, over a thousand a day, and more in ICU, more younger people than ever. I have heard from nurses about this, not just the news. More UK and Brazil variant. Not good, but, on the brightside, I think way less deaths in care homes, due to earlier being vaccinated.

I'm all good 24 hrs in, sore arm, like a tetanus shot, my mom got it about a month ago, she is fine. I will certainly keep us informed if anything weird happens.

a reply to: vonclod

As long as it was your decision, there is certainly nothing wrong with "taking one for the team."

Most of the bad side effects I have heard of seem to be pneumonia-like symptoms. I wonder, since pneumonia accounts for the actual cause of death or hospitalization in the majority of severe cases, if the vaccine isn't triggering the body's own immune response and duplicating the cytokine storm, albeit to a lower level. If so, and if proper attention is given to those who do have an adverse reaction, a vaccine that would reduce that cytokine storm could be quite beneficial.

If I understand correctly, the variants work essentially the same way the original Chinese virus works... infect lower respiratory, delayed immune response that leads to damaged lungs and a potential cytokine storm which can easily lead to severe pneumonia. Not sure about the blood de-oxygenation on the variants; we seem to be able to treat the virus well enough for that to be a minimal concern now anyway.

Point being, if the above is the case, it should work for the variants as well as the original.

I consider a temporary sore arm as not even worthy of being called a "reaction." As you say, a tetanus shot will do that.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Point being, if the above is the case, it should work for the variants as well as the original.

Yes, the million dollar question!..will it work on variants?..they think so. I was probably overestimating the impact of the variants, 200ish cases in all, but also heard they don't "always" test specific variants..who the hell knows. I think the variants hit a younger demographic harder than the others, and higher spread rate.

I consider a temporary sore arm as not even worthy of being called a "reaction." As you say, a tetanus shot will do that.

I'm ok with it, at this point..fate guides me, or grabs me, to whatever happens. I will update, if necessary.

Cheers

a reply to: MrRCflying

I went to my orthopaedic surgeon yesterday, he was going to give me a shot of steroids in my wrist, I have a ganglion cyst.
But I told him it wasn't hurting . He asked about me getting the covid vax, and said that it would react with the stuff injected for my wrist. So I'll have to wait a couple weeks after getting covid vax before I can get wrist shot. It makes me rather mad about having to get covid vax, since I've had The covid flu myself, and have natural antibodies. My husband insists that I get the covid shot. my two cents worth.

a reply to: MrRCflying

That's almost as good as your immune antibodies after having Covid. had it a year ago and still immune. Now I won't have to get the vaccine and risk serious illness or death or long term side effects that are rumored to be extremely nasty.

originally posted by: MrRCflying
It seems there may be some good news about the protection provided by the vaccines against Covid. Ongoing testing is showing a strong immune response of 91% at 6 months. There has been a lot of questions as to how long the vaccine produced antibodies may last in the human body, and provide protection against serious disease. 3 months, 6, months, a year, more? Questions still remain as to how much protection from infection the vaccines may give, over just protection from serious disease. That thinking may be changing as well. It seems that not only may the vaccine may protect well against actually catching Covid, if a vaccinated person is positive it may be difficult or impossible for them to spread it to others.

Dr. Scott Hensley is the Associate Professor of Microbiology at University of Pennsylvania. He has a long list of credentials, basically he is an expert in vaccines, influenza, and more.

Dr. Scott Hensley

He fully expects to still see a good immune response in vaccinated people a year from now. That would be a year and a half since vaccination in the test subjects. Meaning more than likely yearly vaccinations against Covid will not be necessary.

Going even beyond that, he says he would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that a person would only need to get once to provide lifelong protection. Similar to the measles vaccine.

"I would not be surprised if we learned a year from now that these vaccines are still producing a strong immune response," Hensley told CNN.

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

Link

It looks very encouraging, although we will have to wait to see if further testing confirms this.

You’re encouraged by the fact the vaccine which will require multiple injections only works for 6 months? That’s horrible and boarders on pointless. Your advocating for constant inoculation of experimental drugs that barely work as described and who knows what else they might do.

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: MrRCflying
It seems there may be some good news about the protection provided by the vaccines against Covid. Ongoing testing is showing a strong immune response of 91% at 6 months. There has been a lot of questions as to how long the vaccine produced antibodies may last in the human body, and provide protection against serious disease. 3 months, 6, months, a year, more? Questions still remain as to how much protection from infection the vaccines may give, over just protection from serious disease. That thinking may be changing as well. It seems that not only may the vaccine may protect well against actually catching Covid, if a vaccinated person is positive it may be difficult or impossible for them to spread it to others.

Dr. Scott Hensley is the Associate Professor of Microbiology at University of Pennsylvania. He has a long list of credentials, basically he is an expert in vaccines, influenza, and more.

Dr. Scott Hensley

He fully expects to still see a good immune response in vaccinated people a year from now. That would be a year and a half since vaccination in the test subjects. Meaning more than likely yearly vaccinations against Covid will not be necessary.

Going even beyond that, he says he would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that a person would only need to get once to provide lifelong protection. Similar to the measles vaccine.

"I would not be surprised if we learned a year from now that these vaccines are still producing a strong immune response," Hensley told CNN.

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

Link

It looks very encouraging, although we will have to wait to see if further testing confirms this.

You’re encouraged by the fact the vaccine which will require multiple injections only works for 6 months? That’s horrible and boarders on pointless. Your advocating for constant inoculation of experimental drugs that barely work as described and who knows what else they might do.

That is not what it says at all. First, I am advocating nothing. Second, the whole point is that an independent virologist believes that the immune response will last well beyond one year, with the possibility of lifetime protection.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: MrRCflying
It seems there may be some good news about the protection provided by the vaccines against Covid. Ongoing testing is showing a strong immune response of 91% at 6 months. There has been a lot of questions as to how long the vaccine produced antibodies may last in the human body, and provide protection against serious disease. 3 months, 6, months, a year, more? Questions still remain as to how much protection from infection the vaccines may give, over just protection from serious disease. That thinking may be changing as well. It seems that not only may the vaccine may protect well against actually catching Covid, if a vaccinated person is positive it may be difficult or impossible for them to spread it to others.

Dr. Scott Hensley is the Associate Professor of Microbiology at University of Pennsylvania. He has a long list of credentials, basically he is an expert in vaccines, influenza, and more.

Dr. Scott Hensley

He fully expects to still see a good immune response in vaccinated people a year from now. That would be a year and a half since vaccination in the test subjects. Meaning more than likely yearly vaccinations against Covid will not be necessary.

Going even beyond that, he says he would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that a person would only need to get once to provide lifelong protection. Similar to the measles vaccine.

"I would not be surprised if we learned a year from now that these vaccines are still producing a strong immune response," Hensley told CNN.

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

Link

It looks very encouraging, although we will have to wait to see if further testing confirms this.

You’re encouraged by the fact the vaccine which will require multiple injections only works for 6 months? That’s horrible and boarders on pointless. Your advocating for constant inoculation of experimental drugs that barely work as described and who knows what else they might do.

That is not what it says at all. First, I am advocating nothing. Second, the whole point is that an independent virologist believes that the immune response will last well beyond one year, with the possibility of lifetime protection.

So gaslighting then

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: Rob808

originally posted by: MrRCflying
It seems there may be some good news about the protection provided by the vaccines against Covid. Ongoing testing is showing a strong immune response of 91% at 6 months. There has been a lot of questions as to how long the vaccine produced antibodies may last in the human body, and provide protection against serious disease. 3 months, 6, months, a year, more? Questions still remain as to how much protection from infection the vaccines may give, over just protection from serious disease. That thinking may be changing as well. It seems that not only may the vaccine may protect well against actually catching Covid, if a vaccinated person is positive it may be difficult or impossible for them to spread it to others.

Dr. Scott Hensley is the Associate Professor of Microbiology at University of Pennsylvania. He has a long list of credentials, basically he is an expert in vaccines, influenza, and more.

Dr. Scott Hensley

He fully expects to still see a good immune response in vaccinated people a year from now. That would be a year and a half since vaccination in the test subjects. Meaning more than likely yearly vaccinations against Covid will not be necessary.

Going even beyond that, he says he would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that a person would only need to get once to provide lifelong protection. Similar to the measles vaccine.

"I would not be surprised if we learned a year from now that these vaccines are still producing a strong immune response," Hensley told CNN.

"I would not be surprised if this is a vaccine that we only get once."

That would make the vaccine more akin to vaccines against measles than flu vaccines. Vaccination against measles protects against infection for life in 96% of people.

Link

It looks very encouraging, although we will have to wait to see if further testing confirms this.

You’re encouraged by the fact the vaccine which will require multiple injections only works for 6 months? That’s horrible and boarders on pointless. Your advocating for constant inoculation of experimental drugs that barely work as described and who knows what else they might do.

That is not what it says at all. First, I am advocating nothing. Second, the whole point is that an independent virologist believes that the immune response will last well beyond one year, with the possibility of lifetime protection.

So gaslighting then

Umm... I suggest you just re-read, that is all. The whole thread and links was about the vaccine immune response lasting at least 6 months, with the possibility it may last much longer with no boosters, maybe not ever requiring additional injections. It is up to you, what you believe is right for you, if you want to take it or not. I was simply posting about a new study, and what virologist from UofP thought about it. Take it for what it is.

Exclusive: Former Pfizer VP to AFLDS: ‘Entirely possible this will be used for massive-scale depopulation’
www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com...

“The most likely duration of immunity to a respiratory virus like SARS CoV-2 is multiple years. Why do I say that? We actually have the data for a virus that swept through parts of the world seventeen years ago called SARS, and remember SARS CoV-2 is 80% similar to SARS, so I think that’s the best comparison that anyone can provide.

“The evidence is clear: These very clever cellular immunologists studied all the people they could get hold of who had survived SARS 17 years ago. They took a blood sample, and they tested whether they responded or not to the original SARS and they all did; they all had perfectly normal, robust T cell memory. They were actually also protected against SARS CoV-2, because they’re so similar; it’s cross immunity.

“So, I would say the best data that exists is that immunity should be robust for at least 17 years. I think it’s entirely possible that it is lifelong. The style of the responses of these people’s T cells were the same as if you’ve been vaccinated and then you come back years later to see if that immunity has been retained. So I think the evidence is really strong that the duration of immunity will be multiple years, and possibly lifelong.”

At the outset, Dr. Yeadon said “I’m well aware of the global crimes against humanity being perpetrated against a large proportion of the worlds population.

“I feel great fear, but I’m not deterred from giving expert testimony to multiple groups of able lawyers like Rocco Galati in Canada and Reiner Fuellmich in Germany.

“I have absolutely no doubt that we are in the presence of evil (not a determination I’ve ever made before in a 40-year research career) and dangerous products.

“In the U.K., it’s abundantly clear that the authorities are bent on a course which will result in administering ‘vaccines’ to as many of the population as they can. This is madness, because even if these agents were legitimate, protection is needed only by those at notably elevated risk of death from the virus. In those people, there might even be an argument that the risks are worth bearing. And there definitely are risks which are what I call ‘mechanistic’: inbuilt in the way they work.

“But all the other people, those in good health and younger than 60 years, perhaps a little older, they don’t perish from the virus. In this large group, it’s wholly unethical to administer something novel and for which the potential for unwanted effects after a few months is completely uncharacterized.

Lastly,

“There is no medical rationale for it. Knowing as I do that the design of these ‘vaccines’ results, in the expression in the bodies of recipients, expression of the spike protein, which has adverse biological effects of its own which, in some people, are harmful (initiating blood coagulation and activating the immune ‘complement system’), I’m determined to point out that those not at risk from this virus should not be exposed to the risk of unwanted effects from these agents.”

Bolding mine. My 2 cents, educate yourself and decide what resonates for you personally. No one should be demanding anything of another when it comes to what an individual does or does not do with their own body. Luckily for those who are afraid of others, modern life has become very accommodating to one not needing to leave the "safety" of their home.

a reply to: RenegadeOfTheLight

Thanks for the link.

Some very interesting things about Dr. Mike Yeadon. You can draw your own conclusions.

link

As far as the link you gave. It all seems to be set up to sell an online doctors appointment at $90 a pop, and then sell "medication" for Covid.

Just observations. It all well could be true, maybe not. Personally, I say it seems pretty suspect, but that is just my opinion.

originally posted by: MrRCflying

That is not what it says at all. First, I am advocating nothing. Second, the whole point is that an independent virologist believes that the immune response will last well beyond one year, with the possibility of lifetime protection.

Have never heard of an Immunologist, who is 'independent'.

Scott Hensely is no exception.

He has been chosen, and groomed.
One doesn't get to have their own immunology lab, at a major university, by not playing ball.

His lab is focused-on vaccines, vaccines, and vaccines.
Don't think anyone could really call him 'independent'.

... Antigenic drift is a problem for vaccine manufacturers.

The Hensley laboratory has 3 major scientific focuses related to influenza viruses: 1) elucidating mechanisms that promote antigenic drift of influenza viruses, 2) identifying factors that influence influenza vaccine responsiveness, 3) developing new influenza vaccine platforms. Our overarching goals are to use basic immunological and virological approaches to improve the process by which influenza vaccine strains are chosen, and to develop new influenza vaccines that are protective against antigenically diverse influenza strains. ...

Tried digging for the funding of the Hensely Laboratory™, but got lost in the U-of-P™ website.
Would be very surprised if they are NOT funded by Big-Pharma™, and a couple of interesting 'Foundations'.

The UN™, and the WHO™ : are not 'independent' neither.
They were founded by, supported by, and continue to be funded by Big-Pharma™.


PS : Reuters™ fact-check, is just as much a fake shill site, as PolitiFact™, Verichek™, Quackwatch™, Snopes™, and those goofy FB™ 'factcheckers'.

Who is fact-checking the factcheckers ?

Startpage search : Who’s Checking the Fact Checkers?

The Corbett Report : Who Will Fact Check the Fact Checkers ?

Society is very confusing to navigate today.
Nothing is as it appears.
Honest has been replaced with 'honestish'.
There are a seemingly unending supply of info coming at us, and it's hard to know what and whom to trust.

Hope my words don't read as harsh.
Not looking to argue as well.

a reply to: MrRCflying

I had West Nile Virus and from what I read I'm most likely immune now for life. It seems to be as rare to get it again as it is getting Covid again. So after a year of having Covid and not getting it again, I'd say my immunity from having it naturally is at least as good as the vaccine with no mystery side effects.

a reply to: MrRCflying

You want to inject yourself with never before used vaccines that uses technology that can change human genes, and which for some strange reason has to be in extremely cold temps before being used?... You go ahead...

BTW, there are already talks about new vaccines for the different strains of the virus COVID-19... So you better prepare your arms for constant vaccines which can change your genes and see what happens...

Are the antibodies gained from the gene therapy identical to those from infection? I know that in traditional vaccines made from attenuated or dead viruses the antibodies are identical. How is this possible when only one protein inthe virus is targeted? I bet you could tell a difference in experimental gene therapy vaccine generated antibodies and naturally generated ones.

The only things that concerns me about people at low risk of bad outcomes to the disease being in such a big hurry to get it are, the vaccine seems to be leaky meaning that they dont seem to confer sterilizing immunity, and the social coercion to take it. I'm worried about the possibility of a leaky vaccine creating a true monster out of this especially since it lseems to be pretty good at supressing severe symptoms. Also the coerciveness, along with the pharmaceutical marketing propaganda drowning out any other information about the vaccines.

The death and adverse reaction rate of the vaccine seems to already be 100s if not thousands of times higher than the annual flu shot which is highly variable in its annual efficacy.

I find the origins of the the two polio vaccines to be fascinating, and how close the first one came to creating a greater monster than polio already was due to the first one not granting a sterilizing immunity. That is why until polio stopped regular circulation in the US both vaccines were required.

I only feel like I must say this because of the coercion and constant propaganda, but I'm not anti vaccine by any means. However, I feel that currently the personal risk reward calculation of me taking any of the current vaccines weighs toward no, doubly so for my kids. My whole house has had it in past 3 months, and we still have the ability to change our minds should that calculation change.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: putnam6
How is the immune response of those vaccinated VS those who have had COVID but no vaccine at the 6-month mark?

The CDC never cared about how well the "natural immunity response" worked.

Even to this day, their website says, "Someone contracting Covid-19 twice is very rare".

No actual studies that I'm aware of.

Natural immunity doesn't generate a profit for medical providers, or provide opportunity for scientists to test and vary their vaccine concoction.

Look at how natural immunity protects us once and for all with the 'flu.

About 51% of Americans get a Flu shot every year, so I don't think there is much natural immunity.