Shooter kills multiple people at Colorado Grocery store

What angel is that? Not Gabriel perhaps?



a reply to: Edumakated

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: game over man

There were none in 2020. So i guess that tells us that guns are not the problem...right?

And only 2 that made the list for 2019. I guess gom was talking about the mass shootings in inner cities.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany

Very well put. But in this case I am thinking mental illness is more to blame than 'human nature' since the majority (VAST) of gun owners never have nor will commit a violent crime.

People that are crazy or violent as a norm will use whatever they can. A gun, a hammer, car... Doesn't matter. If a person wants to kill they will. The difference is the reason why they do it. Did God tell them to do it, do they think everyone is an alien, or is someone moving in on their territory... Just look at Prison, must be the safest place on earth without guns, right?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

He must have left his ANTIFA issued "Trump supporter" costume at home, you know the MAGA hat and camo pants with an American flag cape.

Once again, very correct.



Don't know what else to add except that guns are not the problem.


It's mental health services.


RE knife attacks in 'great' Britain
Lorry/truck attacks in France
Stabbings in France
Stabbings in Belgium
The Netherlands

But you get it.


I guess the only difference is that they kill (generally) less people because they have stricter gun laws.

That said, I don't think we should restrict the 2A.
a reply to: Xtrozero

The response was crazy.

LEO really are bored.

I was telling this to my wife the other day from a military background - you train and you train adn you train and then you just sit on your ass and wait. And more than half the time you never use your training. Which in a way is a good thing.

So we had LEO orgs from at least 5 counties all swarming on that beetch. Even some wannabe soldiers SWAT in cammo.

I am glad it was only one shooter. But yes the response was kind of overblown. Just like COVID.

They would have done a better job with a smaller more well trained crew rather than every Tom Dick and Harry surrounding the whole block. But that's my opinion.

Any LEO here want to chime up?


a reply to: panoz77

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think assault on women in general was a norm until recent times in the west, BUT still in many parts of the world a back hand to your wife because she was a little uppity is seen as the correct thing to do.....

Yes, within specific parameters; i.e., when women were considered "property" of the man, it was also considered okay to hit her when she forgot her "place." But not all men thought physical abuse was appropriate. And even those who did think it was acceptable had limits to what was acceptable. Much like parents draw lines between slapping a hand and spanking and full fisted beatings. But even then, no man would presume that it was okay to strike another man's wife. I've been shocked at the number of men today who think it's okay to hit any woman... Much like today so many men would never watch rape porn or other violent and coercive porn, who think it's despicable and reprehensible, but there sure are a lot of men who do.

There have always been violent people. There have always been violent men. But there have also simultaneously been nonviolent people, and outright peaceful people. Violence is not a human attribute. No baby is born with a will to kill. It is learned and nurtured and developed. Why is the question.

I disagree with the "beat up a wall, but wouldn't be violent to others"...

Well, you can disagree, but it doesn't make it any less true. My husband has never raised a finger to me... but he's beat up walls and other inanimate objects on occasion. And I appreciate it!

Shooting up people with no real reason is just plain crazy, so you have 330 million people, some are crazy MOFOs.

Yes, some are crazy MOFOs, but all had some motivation. A specific purpose. They also knew it was wrong and they would suffer consequences if/when caught. No one has committed a mass shooting thinking it was all well and good and they would be applauded by society.

Have you ever lived in other countries? I have lived all over the world so I have a much different perspective of what humans can be like and what cultural norms can do.

No, I have not. But I also know that other nations and societies and cultures have always had morals and beliefs that condemn violence as well, right alongside those who advocate for and commit violence. Even among the poorest and neediest. Humanity as a whole has always striven to do better.

It seems that you have accepted violence as natural and normal and "nothing to see here." I refuse to accept it. I refuse to excuse it. There are plenty of other options instead of violence. Better options. That there is a pattern, tells us that there is a root cause.

The vast majority of people understand that they are better served by doing for themselves and by themselves and letting others do their thing. Most people would rather devote their time, energy and emotion to things that make their life better and improves their own lot in life. They don't want to worry about other people. They don't want to control other people. They don't want to hurt other people. Most people want to be happy and enjoy their own life. It's only the few that come to believe any violence, much less mass murder, is in their best interests. Something happens along the way.

According to the affidavit the shooter had a tactical vest, rifle, and semiautomatic handgun (Ruger AR-556 *pistol* purchased on March 16, 2021) and suspect's vehicle was a black Mercedes and appears to be registered to the suspect's brother.
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a reply to: Boadicea

People have been violent and crazy since the beginning of time. If anything we are far more civilized now.

There are 6 billion people on earth. There will always be some people with crossed wires who are bat sh×t crazy. Always.

The best we can hope for is to spot them Early but we will never prevent someone from going postal.

Where is the second man that was in handcuffs? He was mentioned a few times and seen once but hes fallen off the face of the earth now.
Why is there always a second man arrested at scenes like this and then never heard from again?

Like Sandy Hook
Like Oklahoma City
Like the Boston Bombing
Like the Aurora Theater Shooting

Link below mentions the second man in custody.


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a reply to: panoz77

I don't mean to be mean, but 21yr olds are looking pretty old these days..
I would have guessed he was mid 30-40

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is the kids now doing this.

a reply to: Edumakated

People have been violent and crazy since the beginning of time. If anything we are far more civilized now.

There are 6 billion people on earth. There will always be some people with crossed wires who are bat sh×t crazy. Always.

The best we can hope for is to spot them Early but we will never prevent someone from going postal.

Well of course there has always been violence. And of course there have always and will always be crazy people. There are also too many others who are fully capable of controlling themselves and choosing better options, but instead make excuses for violence, and even try to justify the violence. Nothing will change if we pretend like there's no other option and nothing to do about it. Whether we think we can or we think we can't is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And when we think we can't, we don't, and it perpetuates and escalates. Refusing to condemn any violence, but especially male violence, is just one step away from making piss poor excuses for violence and then just another skip away from applauding violence and that's just a small jump to actually encouraging and advocating violence. Which, of course, further perpetuates and escalates the violence.

I agree that violence will always be an issue with humanity, if for no other reason than because it's an option. But it is an unacceptable option and therefore one that we must forever guard and protect against. To paraphrase, one could say the price of peace is eternal vigilance.

All of the above is especially crucial if it is simply human nature alone, and there are no other contributing factors.

originally posted by: canucks555

originally posted by: starviego
We all know the agenda that's hot right now: the White Supremacist Terrorist/Extremist/Hater.

So it's probably a safe bet to assume that the shooter will be a white guy.

Well, the shooter was a white guy.

Reading the shooter was a Trump-hating, ISIS-loving, middle-eastern man from Syria.

originally posted by: MrBuddy
Where is the second man that was in handcuffs? He was mentioned a few times and seen once but hes fallen off the face of the earth now.
Why is there always a second man arrested at scenes like this and then never heard from again?

Like Sandy Hook
Like Oklahoma City
Like the Boston Bombing
Like the Aurora Theater Shooting

Link below mentions the second man in custody.


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I believe a second was arrested at the Las Vegas shooting, too. I know that story had a lot of holes and left a lot of questions unanswered.

Reading the shooter came into the US through the Obama asylum program.

Thanks, Obama.

originally posted by: matafuchs
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is the kids now doing this.

Nice thread.
It appears we are imploding from within by so many different forces.
I remember reading something saying that the young Venezuelans were coming for us too.
Add them to the list...

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: game over man

There were none in 2020. So i guess that tells us that guns are not the problem...right?

There was not none haha. It surged, more than 2019 and there was also record gun sales in 2020.

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a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

The non-white to non-white is SPOT ON!!