I Channel The Dark One

Indigo Child,

You still haven't addressed the issue of how you are following the voice in your channels without questioning it. Why haven't you addressed this issue, Indigo?

I question my channel incessantly. Why don't you?

You don't question your channels because they tell you everything you want to hear. They never pose any difficult questions to you. They insinuate that you have some messiah-like role to play in the world. All they give you is frosting. They tell you that you're *special*. You are an "Indigo Child" after all--a "special one."

But how do you know what the motivations of your "voices" really are? If I was a demon and wanted to spiritually enslave someone, I wouldn't be all prickly and quite frankly at times insulting like my channel. I'd heap my "mark" with compliments and tales of sticky-sweet Light.

So you never addressed my question. How do you know your voices aren't Liars? Why don't you test them? Why don't you question them? Why are you so afraid of the Dark, so fervent in your need to denigrate and obliterate it? And if you're such a student of the Light, why did you say you'd like me to drink broken glass?

Oh, by the way--you've heard of the Buddhist/Zen concept of impermanence? Everything breaks eventually. Even a glass. Why live in a fairyland where glasses don't break? In Buddhism you're taught to love the broken glass as much as the intact one, because both simply "are." Chaos and Order simply "are." Deal with it, or go move to NeverNeverland.

Originally posted by Cassie Clay
Indigo Child,

You still haven't addressed the issue of how you are following the voice in your channels without questioning it. Why haven't you addressed this issue, Indigo?

Because, this thread is on your "channel" not mine. I will gladly answer this question, if you pose it to me in my thread.

Oh, by the way--you've heard of the Buddhist/Zen concept of impermanence? Everything breaks eventually. Even a glass. Why live in a fairyland where glasses don't break? In Buddhism you're taught to love the broken glass as much as the intact one, because both simply "are." Chaos and Order simply "are." Deal with it, or go move to NeverNeverland.

I said: Can you drink from a broken glass. I did not say that glasses don't break. If I had, why would there be a broken glass in the first place.
Now address that for me. Can you drink from a glass broken into pieces? You do know that I've got you completely cornered, don't you? The truth really is like a sword, isn't it? As my guide says "the white enegetic sword pierces the darkness"

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by CGBSpender
If you have the ability to channel higher beings why choose 'satan'. Why not try to channel christ. you would probably get the answers you want and more importantly it would be the truth.

I think if you read the entire post the biggest concern for the medium is being tricked by rogue entities. How do you know what/who your channeling if you aren't able to comprehend anything beyond the 5 senses?

Originally posted by Linux

Originally posted by CGBSpender
If you have the ability to channel higher beings why choose 'satan'. Why not try to channel christ. you would probably get the answers you want and more importantly it would be the truth.

I think if you read the entire post the biggest concern for the medium is being tricked by rogue entities. How do you know what/who your channeling if you aren't able to comprehend anything beyond the 5 senses?

Look at the discrepancies in what is being said. If a rogue entity attempts to trick you by first enticing you with bait of love and peace. Then, tells you to kill and wage wars. Well, that would stick out like a sore thumb.

Then look at the discrepanices in the energies. If a rogue entity lies to you about love and peace, to slowly imprison your soul. You will feel the negative energy. You will feel sick, drowsy. Something just won't be right.

It's like telling between truth and lie or sincere and insincereity in the real world. Lies, can be caught out. Think about it, would why would a rogue entity want you to be empowered and want you to grow as an individual? Why would they want you to become self-sovereign and conquer fear.

This is how you tell. It's exactly the same as telling between people. Like telling between a genuine smile and a smile of a salesman.

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Look at the discrepancies in what is being said. If a rogue entity attempts to trick you by first enticing you with bait of love and peace. Then, tells you to kill and wage wars. Well, that would stick out like a sore thumb.

No offense Indigo_Child but I think most of what you said is a discrepancy. I usually like what you post and find you most informative, in this case however I don't believe either of us understand the bigger picture - or ever will.

Assuming a rogue entity exists and from what i've gathered it's not all about waging wars or peace. You could be looking for guidance, or just messing around with things you shouldn't be. If the typical person conjures up something and 'thinks' its Jesus then they would obviously accept that entity as face value, without considering that it could be duping them and from that point on its too late (possession).

Then look at the discrepanices in the energies. If a rogue entity lies to you about love and peace, to slowly imprison your soul. You will feel the negative energy. You will feel sick, drowsy. Something just won't be right.

That could also be anything from a neurotransmitter releasing to much of a constituent, to the common cold. Something isn't right, thats a true statement but that could be alot of things. Isn't possession being dominated, is it not too late once you have accepted the entity? Isn't that why they perform exorcisms, if everyone could expel these demons why is the mediator involved?

It's like telling between truth and lie or sincere and insincereity in the real world. Lies, can be caught out. Think about it, would why would a rogue entity want you to be empowered and want you to grow as an individual? Why would they want you to become self-sovereign and conquer fear.

Your forgetting something, not everyone can differentiate a lie from the truth espically those who dabble in the channeling art, being totaly naive in the first place. I can't answer your questions regarding empowerment and im almost positive you cannot either, since we aren't understanding even a tiny portion of the picture. How can we understand something thats obviously so obscure.

This is how you tell. It's exactly the same as telling between people. Like telling between a genuine smile and a smile of a salesman.

Again, how many people are conned every year? I think you may speak for the minority of people when you say that. Some people still don't realize a scam even if smacks them in the face.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

I said: Can you drink from a broken glass. I did not say that glasses don't break. If I had, why would there be a broken glass in the first place.
Now address that for me. Can you drink from a glass broken into pieces? You do know that I've got you completely cornered, don't you? The truth really is like a sword, isn't it? As my guide says "the white enegetic sword pierces the darkness"

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

What you said is that broken glass is bad and an intact glass is good. My sister makes stepping stones from her garden out of broken glass. When she looks at a heap of broken glass, she doesn't see something she should stay away from and condemn. She sees it as a potential art project. I've seen broken colored glass put in bottles as art projects; they look pretty when the sun shines through it. In San Francisco I believe there was a rich couple that collected only expensive glass art. After an earthquake half of that glass broke. Then they decided not to throw out the glass but have a local artist make art of it; the finished pieces were not streamlined but jagged, but they were also beautiful. I've given you three examples of how broken glass can be contemplated and used constructively. I did not need a "guide" to tell me this. If your guide is such a genius why didn't it come up with these uses for broken glass?

And for a creature of Light to use such violent imagery about "piercings" and "swords" -- I guess that's the "messiah" in you talking, huh?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Originally posted by Linux

Originally posted by CGBSpender
If you have the ability to channel higher beings why choose 'satan'. Why not try to channel christ. you would probably get the answers you want and more importantly it would be the truth.

I think if you read the entire post the biggest concern for the medium is being tricked by rogue entities. How do you know what/who your channeling if you aren't able to comprehend anything beyond the 5 senses?

Look at the discrepancies in what is being said. If a rogue entity attempts to trick you by first enticing you with bait of love and peace. Then, tells you to kill and wage wars. Well, that would stick out like a sore thumb.

Then look at the discrepanices in the energies. If a rogue entity lies to you about love and peace, to slowly imprison your soul. You will feel the negative energy. You will feel sick, drowsy. Something just won't be right.

It's like telling between truth and lie or sincere and insincereity in the real world. Lies, can be caught out. Think about it, would why would a rogue entity want you to be empowered and want you to grow as an individual? Why would they want you to become self-sovereign and conquer fear.

This is how you tell. It's exactly the same as telling between people. Like telling between a genuine smile and a smile of a salesman.

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

I really can't answer this better than Linux did other than to say that based on this post, I'm not the one that needs lecturing about using safety when dealing with entities.

Originally posted by Cassie Clay
I really can't answer this better than Linux did other than to say that based on this post, I'm not the one that needs lecturing about using safety when dealing with entities.

Nah I figure you are alot more seasoned then the average joe blow who thinks it would be "cool" to make contact. I find this subject interesting because there was this one time when I was experimenting with plants containing '___'. I literally had a conversation with something, although it didn't speak words and I could not establish that it had any intellect whatsoever.

It did talk in a similar fashion as your channelings but it made nothing clear, infact it only answered with a question or was usually quite verbatim. One question to you though Cassie. Why did you choose not to reveal the entire conversation? Were the questions personal or just irrelevant? Just curious.

Dont take me the wrong way, i am not lecturing you, or telling you what to do. I was just interested in seeing what the other guy says, he is far more interesting, at least for me. Why bother with 'satan' as he can tell you noting but lies, and nothing positive can result. I am not forcing my religion on to anyone. If you hate people like that you should go talk to the muslims.

quote: Originally posted by Cassie Clay Indigo Child, You still haven't addressed the issue of how you are following the voice in your channels without questioning it. Why haven't you addressed this issue, Indigo? Because, this thread is on your "channel" not mine. I will gladly answer this question, if you pose it to me in my thread.

I think you should answer the question here Child. It is very much, on topic.
What is being tossed about is, how do you know, good spirits, from bad, if evil spirits can mimic good? How does one come by a standard, outside of onesself? hmmmm

Balaam's donkey,

I will answer it, if it means so much to you. It is a very simple answer:
I just know. Anytime I come across a truth. I can experience it and
verify it and then understand it.

Now, the truth can only be subjectively experienced. I can give you
the logic that love is the greatest positive coheisve force. That love makes
one complete. However, this logic will mean nothing to you. Till you experience it. You do not in deal in logic. You deal in experiece and emotion.

It was not the logic that I got first. It was the experience and the logic
came afterwards.

At the absolute level of reality. You are god. This is a wonderful and beautiful concept that makes logical sense, even scientific sense. Yet, as much as it conceptually makes sense. I know that at this moment I am not god. I have not experieced it. If I had, would I even be here replying to this?

Now, ask any people who has felt love and them what it feels like. They won't be able to explain it using words. They will just know. I was talking to a very old man today at the Hospital who told me of his beautiful and almost three decade relationship with his wife. I asked him "do you love your wife" He said to me that he cannot explain love. Love was like something that was just there, but you don't understand it. He said what he shared between him and his wife was something very sacred. Yet, he could not explain it in words.

Now, ask a psychologist and depending the kind of systems they subscribe to, you'll get many answers. Each is based on a logic. Yet, all lack something very crucial - experience. Something only this couple knows.

I have experience with the truth. When it presents itself. I know what it feels like. It's that feeling you get when you are solving a problem or piecing a puzzle together and it becomes more clearer. You know when you have the solution. It's that moment of revelation that Einstein, Archmedes and Newton got. The logic comes later.

Sometimes in my channeling sessions. I get very excited with some of the things I am getting and proclaim "By gosh, it's right!"

Whatever I am channeling. Is a very positive, loving and wise force. I feel it every moment I am in contact with this force. I am in love with this force. As I said, I think it is the highest energy of god. When someone looks up at the clouds and sees a message that they needed to see at that moment. No matter how much others doubt it and explain it as human tendency to see pattern in disorder. That message gave that person an expeience that has verified itself for this person.

Now, this brings me to Linux's post - of "neurotransmitters" causing sensations. That is a label. It is not an explanation. All of psychology is based on labels. Not explanations. All the person needs to know who is receiving this information or channeling an entity is experience. Something that only they would know.

You see there is no such thing as coincidence. The coincidences like accidentally phoning your childhood friend you have not seen in 25 years, who dies the next day -verifies itself. This is called synchronocity. There is order in chaos. If you start to channel an entity that represents chaos and sickness and start to feel sick. It verifies itself.

In my family we are aways sychronistic events. When my uncle died, my uncle told me mom in the last phone call they had, that he felt like something bad was going to happen to him. A few days later he died in an accident.

When my aunty died. That very same day, my 4 year old cousin woke up shouting "aunties house is on fire, aunties house is on fire" then went back to sleep. Ironically enough, that is what she said before she passed over "My house is on fire"

As I revealed in the other thread. Just 2 days ago my mom had a precognitive dream of being in a hospital for a heart attack. The next day that was a reality.

Somehow, for me. I managed to go from extreme atheism to pure spirituality, simply because of "chance" encounters with people. So, if you want my honest insight. Then there is no coincidence. The events in our life are based on what we need.

If you channel an entity that gives you wisdom and teaches you about realising your higher self and being a free soul and you feel love. It verifies itself.

Now, we could go in vicious circles. Where I say "I know" and then you say "I don't know". Such as "We don't know" nope I do understand. It's very simple. It's a way of life for me. I have understood it, experienced and realised it. Yet, there are so many more truths to be realized. I will not own "I am god" without actually experiencing it. I will not own "The afterlife is this and that" without actually experiencing it.

I might believe I am God and in astral realms etc. However, I would never say it is the "truth" because I have no proof subjective or objective for this phenomena for myself. Some do, and I am inclined to believe them. But it is not my truth to own. Now, my guide actually told me about astral realms. I am stating here that I do not regard it as a "truth" I regard it as a belief. As I believe my guide.

So, to say that I can be duped by my guide is wholly inaccurate. As I know myself. I know I live by truth. It is the highest virtue. It is knowledge. A lot of people, and even I had those reservations, fear from society in declaring a truth or declaring enlightement. As people then begin to resent you. "How could he know, I don't know and nobody else I know, knows" well that's because they are not looking. "How did he(Einstein) work out the equations of relativity and not me" Well that is because Einstein asked the right questions.

So, deal with it. There are people more enlightened than others. Who know the picture better. All it is are people who have seeked and found. What right do those who are not seeking, have to judge the seeking?
You will see this attitude prevalent throughout these forums. There are people, relative nobodies, sometimes just teenagers in high school, who will doubt the knowledge of experienced and knowledgable people who have contributed some of their life to their research and skills.

I'll give you one such example from a few subjects: "The Sanskrit scholars mistranslated the ancient texts" "The pilots were unaware that they were chasing fireflies" The most hilarious example of all is a childrens magician proclaiming the scientists, engineers, technicians, parapsychologists, ufologists got it all wrong. This is the amazing Randi. A carticature of an investigator.

You see, in this society, even if the truth were to stare you right in the face. You still would not recognise it. When it really is - is just common sense(that is not common) it is a body of knowledge that we all have and just few of us recognise we have.

Just like some us can see order in apparent chaos. Some of us can see the order in the apparent chaos of the universe.

Again, how many people are conned every year? I think you may speak for the minority of people when you say that. Some people still don't realize a scam even if smacks them in the face.

And some people do realise a scam

]Your forgetting something, not everyone can differentiate a lie from the truth espically those who dabble in

]

And some do differentate a lie from a truth.

What you said is that broken glass is bad and an intact glass is good.

When did Isay broken glass is bad and intact glass is good? What I said, and made it clear enough: Can you use broken glass to drink?

As it's very obvious what the answer is. No, you cant. You need order to drink from a glass.

Now try this.

A group working together on building a structure,
each competing against each other.

A group working together on building a structure
each cooperating with each other.

Which is chaos and which is order and which
is in the best interests of the group and the structure

And for a creature of Light to use such violent imagery about "piercings" and "swords" -- I guess that's the "messiah" in you talking, huh?

Is this the person who is channeling and defending an entity who represents chaos, speaks vulgarly and in insults and is pro-enslavement and death and think we should consolidate and makes their host sick?

"The white energetic swords of truth pierce the darkness" It's a metaphor. Have you never heard the saying "swords of truth"

Just like carbon monoxide becomes carbon dioxide with the addition of a single oxygen atom becomes non-toxic. A metaphor of using swords of truth to dispell ignorance becomes non-violent.

It is all in the framing. Like this:

He jumped out of the bush and shot him
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...... unfortunately he had no film left in his camera.

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Cassie Clay,

There is no good or bad in this universe. There is just light and dark and both are very necessary. You know light by knowing darkness.

So chaos and order are very important. Chaos is like friction. The more chaos you have in your life, the more you push for order. You are pushing against the forces of antagonism.

So, I completely agree that broken glass also has it's use. Just, not for replinishing yourself with water. Which is more important than using broken glass to create art.

In Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the only psychological theory that makes sense to me. The physical needs are at the base of the Pyramid and creative expression at the top(just below self-actualisation) so you need to be able to drink water, before you can creatively express yourself.

Now, which is the most complex structure known to man? The most ordered creation? It is the human brain. It is your consciousness.

So, you represent order yourself. You cannot deny your own existence. Do you have any idea why they call diseases disorders?

Hmmm depends, 2 groups want to make 2 things, given the same parts, each group will come up with something different. It may take longer but if there are 2 different thought sets working on it, one or both teams may come up with a new way to solve a problem.

A big team working together may be harded to control/manage, the project will follow the straight and narrow to solving one problem in a specific way.
The group may give up because there is less communication between the groups within the group or the project may be go smoothly and fast but there will only be one solution to the problem.

Maybe this spirit/demon is saying that going into the light is like knowing all and being as perfect as can be and never wanting to be less or different (like borg in a way).

To be sure its a real spirit/demon, as him/her question you don't have a set opinion on or don't know the answers to.

I would ask: 1. is there a way to convert entropy into order and eventually back into chaos?

2. Whats more important, the war on terror or our own social/law/economic problems?

If "lucifer" is the enemy, then why not know every thing you can even if you find out you know nothing?

However, this logic will mean nothing to you. Till you experience it. You do not in deal in logic. You deal in experiece and emotion.

Oh, boy....
First, I was not my question but Clays.
Second, You are not making any sense at all, and please don't tell me that illogic is your logic.
You said, I do not deal in logic. What is the basis for you claim? This is Existential generalization without support, is it not?
If, I do not deal in logic, then why are you talking to me, as it would be illogical? Circular reasoning, this seems to be the case of most souls, who are deluded.

"""You are god""""
Really, then why am I illogical? Further, why are you logical, what is the basis for your logic?
You made the point that, I am dumb and you are smart, so please help a poor donkey out with all of this.

Now, please be aware, that I did not want to pick a fight with you, I just thought you should have answered Clays question.
Also, Clay I think you avoided, Childs question about the broken glass, your answer was about glass and Childs question was about order and chaos. Secondly, true broken glass can be made into art but it is still broken glass, and you do not drink out of it, meaning it is unsafe, which was Childs point. But, don’t listen to me, as I don’t use logic???? Sigh, I thought, I was making so much sense……

Oh, boy....
First, I was not my question but Clays.
Second, You are not making any sense at all, and please don't tell me that illogic is your logic.
You said, I do not deal in logic. What is the basis for you claim? This is Existential generalization without support, is it not?
If, I do not deal in logic, then why are you talking to me, as it would be illogical? Circular reasoning, this seems to be the case of most souls, who are deluded.

You misunderstood Balaam. I am not saying you in particular. I am saying it in general for all us humans. We do not deal in logic, but in experience and emotion.

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

I misunderstood, or you misspoke? You said humans don't deal in logic. I'm a donkey. We are very logical, pull the cart, get the carrot.

Balaam's donkey, I will answer it, if it means so much to you. It is a very simple answer: I just know. Anytime I come across a truth. I can experience it and verify it and then understand it.

Question still stands: How do you verify it? What is the means of verifying? You state you learn from and outside source, but you can judge from and inside source, if people can be deluded, why not you too? How would you know if you were deluded? What would be the test? How can deluded people, decide they are in such a state? This is Clay’s question to you. I don't think he has the answer either, but he is trying to get you to admit, neither do you.
I disagree with a considerable amount of what you are saying, but lets keep it to this one question, for now.

Sorry about this post. I put the wrong thing in here.

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Kushi_Master]

Originally posted by Cassie Clay

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

I said: Can you drink from a broken glass. I did not say that glasses don't break. If I had, why would there be a broken glass in the first place.
Now address that for me. Can you drink from a glass broken into pieces? You do know that I've got you completely cornered, don't you? The truth really is like a sword, isn't it? As my guide says "the white enegetic sword pierces the darkness"

[edit on 23-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

What you said is that broken glass is bad and an intact glass is good. My sister makes stepping stones from her garden out of broken glass. When she looks at a heap of broken glass, she doesn't see something she should stay away from and condemn. She sees it as a potential art project. I've seen broken colored glass put in bottles as art projects; they look pretty when the sun shines through it. In San Francisco I believe there was a rich couple that collected only expensive glass art. After an earthquake half of that glass broke. Then they decided not to throw out the glass but have a local artist make art of it; the finished pieces were not streamlined but jagged, but they were also beautiful. I've given you three examples of how broken glass can be contemplated and used constructively. I did not need a "guide" to tell me this. If your guide is such a genius why didn't it come up with these uses for broken glass?

And for a creature of Light to use such violent imagery about "piercings" and "swords" -- I guess that's the "messiah" in you talking, huh?

At first, I thought this was interestining... Now you guys are Atributing demonly and heavenly characteristics to glass? Y'know, I think I'm starting to recognize the "demon personality" from the beggining post in Cassie........

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Kushi_Master]

Question still stands: How do you verify it? What is the means of verifying?

As I said, if it is the truth, it verifies itself. If you feel love it verifies itself. I will not always leave you with the proverbial "trust me" I will explain what I am saying. It does not make sense to you that love empowers you?

I mispoke and you misunderstood. It is true what I said, that we do not deal in logic. If we did, we would correct our mistakes, not keep repeating them.

When a person is angry, his logical abilities are shut down, and his emotions override. Again, that is because humans are emotional creatures. Abstractions like philosophy does not make sense to us. We choose our philosophies, ideologies and actions according to our emotional and spiritual states. Not logic.

Now, I am not sure about donkeys, obviously you know more about their state of mind than me

You said, you disagree with a "considerable" amount of what I say. That means nothing to me. I need to know what exactly you disagree with and then I will enage you on that.

Personally I don't see anything that is disagreable in what I said. However, I would say that, wouldn't I?

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Balaams donkey
I'm a donkey. We are very logical, pull the cart, get the carrot.

LOL! Thanks my friend, I needed that. I find myself getting wrapped up in complexity, so I need grassroots wisdom to keep me grounded sometimes.

[edit on 24-3-2005 by saint4God]