Senate Votes Trump ‘Won the Election in a Landslide’

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: uncommitted


It's not a statement of fact, it is:
a) agreed he did indeed make those statements
b) the senate is saying those statements are false
c) Trump disagrees they are fals.


It really isn't that hard, is it?

No. The HOUSE is saying they are false. Trump said they are true.

BOTH sides agreed the SENATE should decide if they were 'factually incorrect.'

The House presented their arguments and evidence to support their allegations made in the Impeachment Article.

The Defense presented their argument and evidence.

The Senate voted the House had not proved that allegation because the Article of Impeachment is not divisible. That was the choice the House made because they wanted him found guilty on this allegation, too.

It isn't hard for me...apparently it is for you.

Wrong. The Senate doesn't care if he was broadcasting disinformation about the election, they care about determining if a crime happened i.e. provoking the citizens to attack a federal building. They found him not guilty by reason of 1st amendment rights which essentially gives every citizen the right to sound like a jackass in public. That's what they voted on.

The question of whether the election was legitimate was decided last month before President Biden was inaugurated. Deal with it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: xuenchen
And so say 81 million people apparently via there vote cast.

Half the country has gone full stupid. I'm 41 years old, apparently I'm a millennial but I still think the cutoff is 1981. I don't consider myself a person who needs to be told what to do. You either get things or you don't get things. Anyone who believes Biden got 81 million votes needs to come to my yard sale this spring so I can make some money.

I went to Trump rallies here in Wisconsin. You couldn't drive a mile without seeing Trump signs. People even painted Trump on farm silos everywhere. The fact he won Wisconsin is a lie as big as the tooth fairy.

a reply to: andy06shake

1.Biden is a globalist puppet with China pulling his strings.
2.The Covid-19 planned demic was the means used, to shut
down and destroy the U.S. and influence the election.
3.Biden has already opened our borders and allowing illegals to
pour into our country without being vetted or checked for any
diseases.
4.ANYTHING Trump tried to do in order to protect our country
and people,was shot down by the democrats who are power
hungry harlots.
5.I have heard of QAnon,but I have never listened to them.
6.As far as I know the Constitution is still the law of the land.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It isn't hard for you because you are reading it to mean what you want it to mean. Sheesh, you are a strange person.

You're gaslighting.

Rule 23 was thoroughly argued at trial. The Defense pointed out that the Article violated that rule and it meant the Senate would be voting guilty or not guilty on ALL the allegations or NONE of them.

You didn't watch the trial, eh?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Your arguments are ridiculous. I really don't know what else to say.

You say the Senate doesn't care about the allegations, I say that's ridiculous. BUT even if they didn't care, it's doesn't change the legal effect of the acquittal on the entire Article of Impeachment.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

If presidents lying was a high crime or a misdemeanor, you might have a point. But it's isn't and you don't. Trump was not tried for his lies. He was tried for inciting an insurrection.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If presidents lying was a high crime or a misdemeanor, you might have a point. But it's isn't and you don't. Trump was not tried for his lies. He was tried for inciting an insurrection.

It wasn't an insurrection.
You swallowed the media narrative.

..and correction - Trump was acquitted of the bogus charge of inciting an insurrection.
The impeachment is only half the story and a far less important one to the process.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: UKTruth

Just very boring that people keep saying the election was stolen but can't actually prove it.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a heinous crime to talk about it, it's the height of pointlessness to say there is evidence without being able to provide anything that would pass a test to be treated as such.

There was a refusal to even investigate it - so we'll never know the absolute truth of it.

If you arrive home to find your house burned to the ground and a guy standing outside with a can of petrol and a match, you still have to prove he did it and may not be able to. But you damn well know he burned your house down.

That you find it boring is your problem. It's incredibly important. If the people pretending that Trump was attacking democracy actually cared about democracy, the very first thing on the agenda would be an independent commission to fully investigate and protect the system from fraud. The country can not survive and prosper if elections don't mean anything. Everything else is of secondary importance.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: MotherMayEye

If presidents lying was a high crime or a misdemeanor, you might have a point. But it's isn't and you don't. Trump was not tried for his lies. He was tried for inciting an insurrection.

"High crimes or misdemeanors" is a term of art. The House has the authority to decide what conduct might be punishable by Impeachment. An attorney could look to common law or civil law to defend the allegation. It doesn't have to be a prosecutable criminal allegation and no statutes are cited in the Article, at all.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: TzarChasm

Your arguments are ridiculous. I really don't know what else to say.

You say the Senate doesn't care about the allegations, I say that's ridiculous. BUT even if they didn't care, it's doesn't change the legal effect of the acquittal on the entire Article of Impeachment.

The allegations were that DJT specifically told citizens to gather at the Capitol building to attack its staff and interfere with federal proceeding. Those allegations were found to be inaccurate and so he was determined not guilty. His claims of a "stolen election" are protected under the 1st amendment just like numerous other examples of bad science and outright dumbassery are permitted as free speech.

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

Anyone who reasons BIden could not get 81 million votes down to the size of Trump rallies anywhere on Earth, never mind Wisconsin, simply dont understand how voting works.

See ones a rally and the other to cast a vote used to express a wish to follow a particular course of action.

Im not saying your have gone full stupid.

But your reasoning is simply incorrect on a multitude of different levels.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: TzarChasm

Your arguments are ridiculous. I really don't know what else to say.

You say the Senate doesn't care about the allegations, I say that's ridiculous. BUT even if they didn't care, it's doesn't change the legal effect of the acquittal on the entire Article of Impeachment.

The allegations were that DJT specifically told citizens to gather at the Capitol building to attack its staff and interfere with federal proceeding. Those allegations were found to be inaccurate and so he was determined not guilty. His claims of a "stolen election" are protected under the 1st amendment just like numerous other examples of bad science and outright dumbassery are permitted as free speech.

You don't know why each person voted not guilty. The allegations weren't separated into different articles. This was the complaint from Trump's attorneys.

You're guessing why they may have voted that way, but it was an all-or-nothing vote.

Hence, this thread.

Why didn't the House separate that allegation and really prove Trump's claims were false? Why did they tuck it in with the allegation he incited an insurrection? This was their choice.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: TzarChasm

Your arguments are ridiculous. I really don't know what else to say.

You say the Senate doesn't care about the allegations, I say that's ridiculous. BUT even if they didn't care, it's doesn't change the legal effect of the acquittal on the entire Article of Impeachment.

The allegations were that DJT specifically told citizens to gather at the Capitol building to attack its staff and interfere with federal proceeding. Those allegations were found to be inaccurate and so he was determined not guilty. His claims of a "stolen election" are protected under the 1st amendment just like numerous other examples of bad science and outright dumbassery are permitted as free speech.

You don't know why each person voted not guilty. The allegations weren't separated into different articles. This was the complaint from Trump's attorneys.

You're guessing why they may have voted that way, but it was an all-or-nothing vote.

Hence, this thread.

They voted not guilty because everyone in that building is tired of giving attention to the Donald. Our nation has actual problems to focus on.

a reply to: mamabeth

You got to six eh?

Mmmmkay.

Why was 6 afraid of 7?

Because 7 8 9!

What are we counting now anyroad. LoL

If you have not heard of QAnon i have to call bullsnip just given your rhetoric, they were out in force invading USA capitol buildings not that long ago, put it that way. LoL

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: TzarChasm

Your arguments are ridiculous. I really don't know what else to say.

You say the Senate doesn't care about the allegations, I say that's ridiculous. BUT even if they didn't care, it's doesn't change the legal effect of the acquittal on the entire Article of Impeachment.

The allegations were that DJT specifically told citizens to gather at the Capitol building to attack its staff and interfere with federal proceeding. Those allegations were found to be inaccurate and so he was determined not guilty. His claims of a "stolen election" are protected under the 1st amendment just like numerous other examples of bad science and outright dumbassery are permitted as free speech.

You don't know why each person voted not guilty. The allegations weren't separated into different articles. This was the complaint from Trump's attorneys.

You're guessing why they may have voted that way, but it was an all-or-nothing vote.

Hence, this thread.

They voted not guilty because everyone in that building is tired of giving attention to the Donald. Our nation has actual problems to focus on.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

Anyone who reasons BIden could not get 81 million votes down to the size of Trump rallies anywhere on Earth, never mind Wisconsin, simply dont understand how voting works.

See ones a rally and the other to cast a vote used to express a wish to follow a particular course of action.

Im not saying your have gone full stupid.

But your reasoning is simply incorrect on a multitude of different levels.

Thats funny you mentioned reason, like in mathematical and statistical reason right?

A few weeks ago I was able to look up search engine traffic and online sentiment of Joe, Trump, The Parties, ETC.... And I blasted it all over the internet bc I wanted to prove there was a way to convert 80 million people to action with very little online sentiment. BC that ain't ever never ever happened in history and once I got enough brilliant answers on how it happened, I was going to use the secret to sell tons of stuff online for a very low cost for the traffic needed.

BUT NOW THE DATA IS GONE, they took away the traffic results from y'all bc I did that and Joes secret low sentiment conversion magic, but I still got it all... ANYWAY
The point is the answers are out there already and here's the trail to this election fraud debate we're having here.

If you felt based on your knowledge of the law that
Trump incited a riot
He should be impeached
He committed an insurrection
Then clearly you can see NOW that you did not know the law as much as you thought, which is fine bc all input from civilians helps keep the system in check.
So let's not be biased, let's be real.
None of us may not know exactly how the law places the election fraud stated by trump in this outcome of the impeachment trial.

Personally I think the courts just ruled that trump is accurate and he didn't win bc of election fraud, and I don't think the persons impeaching trump even realized they screwed themselves bad until, until now, probably bc of this very interesting OP.
BUT why assume? When you assume you make an ass out of Uma Thurman. Not Good.

Instead let's catch up on how the courts are updating the cases regarding if the election was a fraud or not and if trump was accurate or not. Im sure everyone can agree that transparency, knowledge and bipartisan support among civilians as a whole is more important than our personal party picks for the Presidency every four years. Enjoy!

here are roughly 16 open and undecided Dockets at the Supreme Courts website regarding the election fraud being real or not. Below are the first 4 with their links and a short description and the other 12 are linked below. Notice some are in a public folder in the link and some are not, just sayin.

To see other Dockets just use the search term below in the search field on the Supreme Courts Docket Search Website.

1. Supreme Court Docket Search

2. To find these dockets Copy and paste this into the Search For: elections "2021"

Docket for 20-883
Titleonald J. Trump, Petitioner v. Wisconsin Elections Commission, et al.
Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due February 3, 2021) Waiver of right of respondent Wisconsin Elections Commission, et al. to respond filed. DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 3/5/2021.


Docket for 20-740
Title:Jim Bognet, et al., Petitioners v. Kathy Boockvar, Secretary of Pennsylvania, et al.
DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 1/15/2021. Response Requested. (Due February 12, 2021) Waiver of McKean County Board of Elections of right to respond not accepted for filing. (February 16, 2021)


Docket for 19-1257
Title:Mark Brnovich, Attorney General of Arizona, et al., Petitioners v. Democratic National Committee, et al.
Mark Brnovich, Attorney General of Arizona, et al., Petitioners Brief amici curiae of Election Integrity Project California and Arizona filed. Brief amicus curiae of Honest Elections Project filed.


Docket for 20-649
Title:Level the Playing Field, et al., Petitioners v. Federal Election Commission
Level the Playing Field, et al the time to file a response from January 13, 2021 to February 12, 2021, submitted to The Clerk. Brief of respondent Federal Election Commission in opposition filed.
 
Docket for 19-1258
Title:Arizona Republican Party, et al., Petitioners v. Democratic National Committee, et al.
Arizona Republican Party, et al., Petitioners SET FOR ARGUMENT on Tuesday, March 2, 2021. VIDED. Jan 22 2021 Jan 25 2021 Jan 28 2021 Party name: State And Local Election Officials


Docket 12-71
Docket for 20-882
Docket for 20-974
  Docket for 19-1389
Docket 07-25
Docket 07-21
Docket 20-574
Docket 20-542
Docket 20-897
Docket 20-859
Docket 20-845
Docket 20-883

a reply to: tonycodes

Your links don't take us to the docket files just the web site.

Just copy paste you unequivocal proof please.

That should not be hard to produce if it exists.

Like i said "anyone who reasons BIden could not get 81 million votes down to the size of Trump rallies anywhere on Earth, never mind Wisconsin, simply dont understand how voting works."

Supreme court told Trump to bolt just just like the rest. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake

Oh,I do understand how voting works,that's why I am
so glad that I didn't die before the election.I am sure
my vote for Trump would have changed to Biden instead.

a reply to: andy06shake

Maybe you should try reading my post* before replying.
I did say that I had heard about QAnon,but I have never
listened to them.
To my knowledge,the ones storming the capital building
were let in through opened doors.Were most likely paid
actors like antifa and blm.I wasn't there so I can only
guess.

* I have been guilty of not reading a post through before
replying.I wanted to make sure everyone knew that I don't
try to be a hypocrite.

Thank You, I just updated it and linked all the dockets to make it way easier to find the info to make a case to prove the OP may be wrong in suggesting the election was also voted as a fraud in the impeachment. Personally I agree with the OP so the burden of proof are on those that disagree with the OP. See how that works. Also if you think the election is fully over and trump is wrong and there was no fraud, well thats a list of the highest courts in the land trying to still decide and its not over until those dockets are closed. maybe later ill go through myself and find any smoking guns if no one else does first. anyway not my work, I think the OP is accurate, so im going to lunch

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tonycodes

Your links don't take us to the docket files just the web site.

Just copy paste you unequivocal proof please.

That should not be hard to produce if it exists.

Like i said "anyone who reasons BIden could not get 81 million votes down to the size of Trump rallies anywhere on Earth, never mind Wisconsin, simply dont understand how voting works."

Supreme court told Trump to bolt just just like the rest. LoL