Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: alphabetaone

they want to believe this crap

Nobody and I mean NOBODY wants to believe it.

It's just that the whole thing reeked of corruption.

Like really badly...

Even if there is no fraud at all and therefore no evidence of fraud is possible. How can you trust an investigation when the evidence hasn't been secured for considerable time?

If I were to commit fraud I wouldn't just leave the evidence around. Any window of time to destroy evidence in that scenario would be welcome. A month and a half though... I could destroy all kinds of evidence and even plant "evidence" of my own in the contrary.

I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about this. Disappointment will likely follow.

originally posted by: ATruGod

DuPage County Clerk signed anti-transparency contract with Dominion Voting Systems - Dominion encouraged County to resist disclosure of information

This is pretty disturbing. Hell how is it even legal aren't Our elections supposed to be transparent?

The County likely had to have the time to make sure the machines were cleaned of all evidence before the judge would ok the investigation...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Serious question. How can something without internet connectivity be hacked?

Are you still under the delusion that the Dominion machines don't have internet connectivity?

Poor thing...

Thats because this poster spends all his time on ATS trying to tell everyone how stupid they are, but somehow neglects to fact check anything he says himself.

Literally during a senate hearing a gentleman hacked into dominion voting machines LIVE during the GA elections, LIVE in front of the senate

And yet the left still , even though they saw it first hand, refuse to hear any of the evidence about rigged elections with these machines

With video:

Game over, dominion hacked live

Yet were suppose to just avert our eyes and pretend it didnt happen, and the poster above still wants to keep his head in the sand because it follows his chosen narrative

a reply to: CrazyWater

The silent majority is speaking out, and the minority didn’t plan. ( or did they ?) This audit alone ( by allowing it to happen) will show more skeptical people ( no evidence crowd) that there is at the least; a trickle of doubt. Trickles left unpatched will lead to a stream, that will lead to a surge.....

Truth like water; always finds the path of least resistance, more resistance the crooks provide(lies) opens up even more trickles. Those will eventually surge too, it’s a win win.

a reply to: opethPA
Again you neglect to answer a question, ramble with whataboutism then proceed to play the victim card.

Agenda noted, any more posts from you will be ignored.

Have a nice day.

As for on topic, lack of ANY evidence or findings is just as guilty of finding evidence of fraud.

What about the polling centers found burning files after ballots were counted? Because some asshat thought "they weren't needed".

That's an illegal act that just got swept under the rug.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Serious question. How can something without internet connectivity be hacked?

Where is the hack coming from? Even a network not on the net is still a network that can be hacked from within, and easier.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

You realize that of all the states in question, AZ is most likely to be the one Biden legit won.

I have a contact on the moderate a-political side of things AZ and they are convinced there was fraud.

I would have rather PA or GA have the forensic audit though.

a reply to: opethPA

Oh dear... you really thought that was an appropriate response? Got nothing but poking and prodding for cheap points on an issue that's tearing our nation apart?

If you don't see any cause for concern, okay. If you can dismiss every accusation and claim out there because you have personal knowledge of the facts, you should be relieved and pleased that the truth will finally be known, so we can put the matter to rest, or we can make the appropriate reforms.

We'll find out together what actually happens and what is found. And then we'll all go from there.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: opethPA

Youre fighting a losing battle here on ATS. They want to believe this crap...

No more or less than some want to believe otherwise... But the topic is not what people want to believe. It is about a forensic audit that will examine ballots, data, software, machines, etc. for the facts and the truth. Everyone should be pleased that this is happening so that we can put the matter to rest... or make the appropriate reforms.

...and will continue to no matter how solid the evidence to the contrary is.

The evidence will speak for itself, whatever it is.

You cant ask someone(s) to examine fact if they want to believe garbage. These people want chaos.

Yes, apparently some do want chaos -- on both "sides". I would include those who minimize and undermine a fact-finding audit, make stupid insulting comments like this to rise tempers, when something practical and effective is actually being done to resolve the matter.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Long story short, it stinks.

Thank you for confirming what I witnessed that day/night.

You're welcome -- thanks for paying attention.

It has been handled horribly in the media, even called a "hoax." It wasn't. The voters did not understand exactly what was happening, and misconstrued the ultimate destination and recourse for their ballots, but they weren't really wrong either. They knew their ballot was spoiled and they were refused a clean one to cast their vote.

It should also be noted that these votes are among those being questioned in terms of "curing" and whether the election officials interpreted the voter's intent correctly... Like so many other places, Maricopa County had a very very high number of "cured" ballots. Quite out of proportion to previous elections.

originally posted by: Antipathy17
Even if there is no fraud at all and therefore no evidence of fraud is possible. How can you trust an investigation when the evidence hasn't been secured for considerable time?

If I were to commit fraud I wouldn't just leave the evidence around. Any window of time to destroy evidence in that scenario would be welcome. A month and a half though... I could destroy all kinds of evidence and even plant "evidence" of my own in the contrary.

I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about this. Disappointment will likely follow.

You may be right... but what do you suggest? Do nothing? Ignore it all? Or take what steps we can to determine the truth and facts of the matter?

As I understand the matter, from various sources (not all published), there have been watchers and observers of the election equipment. It's also my understanding that alterations and deletions and such can be detected as well. So if evidence were changed or erased, there would be ways to detect this. And any such efforts would be incriminating in and of itself.

I would also think that even if such had happened, it would still be informative and illustrative of what reforms and corrections could be made and should be made to prevent such happening again.

As I stated, I don't expect anything in particular, but I also expect anything could happen.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Nobody and I mean NOBODY wants to believe it.

Thank you for saying this -- yes! No one wants to believe it.

And if it's found out that this really is all blown out of proportion, and isolated incidents are magnified beyond reality, and others made up out of whole cloth... I think a whole lot of people (like myself) will be absolutely livid. If they think the outrage about possible fraud is bad, they won't know what hit 'em if the fraud is completely manufactured.

It's just that the whole thing reeked of corruption.

Like really badly...

Exactly. There are too many ways that duly enacted election laws were tweaked and contorted and blatantly violated, often in the name of "Covid." We have no idea to what extent the election outcome was compromised -- or not. That's the point of the forensic audit.

a reply to: Iscool

The County likely had to have the time to make sure the machines were cleaned of all evidence before the judge would ok the investigation...

Actually, the Arizona Supreme court ruled that the court did not have jurisdiction or authority over the matter, but that the State Legislature had sole authority and jurisdiction, in accordance with the state and federal Constitutions.

The court/judge was actually very helpful and instrumental in making this happen. Well, helpful to the state legislators (and others) pursuing the audit, but not so helpful to the county supervisors trying to stop the audit.

a reply to: CrazyWater

Yet were suppose to just avert our eyes and pretend it didnt happen, and the poster above still wants to keep his head in the sand because it follows his chosen narrative

This is one of my biggest issues with how this is being played. We know that fraud/tampering/interference etc were made possible. There is no doubt that safeguards and security was relaxed for this election. It was possible. There is no doubt about that.

The only question is the extent loopholes and relaxed safeguards were exploited. Maybe it was minimal. Maybe it was massive. We don't know until we examine ALL the evidence.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

I have a contact on the moderate a-political side of things AZ and they are convinced there was fraud.

That doesn't surprise me. Not all, but the vast majority of people I speak with are suspicious to one degree or another. But I also live in the area where voters were being given felt-tipped Sharpies, so many people I talk to are still steaming about that, and prepared to believe the worst.

I would have rather PA or GA have the forensic audit though.

Depending on how this audit goes, they may still.

Why would you have preferred PA or GA though? What advantages would that have?

a reply to: Boadicea

Awesome Post gives me hope for the future . I hope Michigan will do this too . Biden will never be my president, Trump increased his vote count by 11 million over 2016 and lost ( I don't think so )

This reminds of a ghost hunting reality TV show that had Shaun Ryder, the world class stoner, on it.

At one point, he said "If you're there, if you can hear me, don't respond. That way I'll know you're there."

People are have been so tied up in intellectual knots that they're missing the point. Which, I suppose, is what TPB want.

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Boadicea

Awesome Post

gives me hope for the future.

Good! I like hope. And we can sure use some!

I hope Michigan will do this too.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I read yesterday that a witness list has been released for the upcoming lawsuit by the guy in Antrim. Hard to say where this will go, but it's far from over! I hope Michigan gets a state-wide forensic audit too. Honestly, I'd like to see forensic audits in at least every battleground state, if not every single state in the union.

Biden will never be my president, Trump increased his vote count by 11 million over 2016 and lost ( I don't think so )

I will accept Biden as my president when -- and ONLY when -- due diligence has taken place, and the legitimacy of the election (and therefore the election outcome) has been verified. What I know -- KNOW, not just think or believe, but what I actually KNOW -- is that Biden fought and campaigned off of every effort to legitimize and confirm his fair and honest election. If he won fair and square, so be it. But I don't know that yet, in large part because Biden fought for us NOT to know. That's not a president. That's a thief-in-chief.

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese
This reminds of a ghost hunting reality TV show that had Shaun Ryder, the world class stoner, on it.

At one point, he said "If you're there, if you can hear me, don't respond. That way I'll know you're there."

People are have been so tied up in intellectual knots that they're missing the point. Which, I suppose, is what TPB want.

What a word salad!!! I can easily apply that to both the left and right...

I'd be interested in you expanding and clarifying for us all.