Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: Boadicea

When government is involved, "simple, logical and quick" processes are impossible, unless driven by a strong motive.

a reply to: Boadicea

I am guessing the sheriff got his cut of the payoff hence his statement meant to muddy the water.

Anything else is even scarier to consider.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Boadicea

I am guessing the sheriff got his cut of the payoff hence his statement meant to muddy the water.

Anything else is even scarier to consider.

Yes, it really is. I don't know if I'm happy or sad that I'm not the only one thinking this could be very very sinister in its implications.

a reply to: Irishhaf
There was a very influential (in a good way) Sheriff in Arizona around 2016/2017. His name was Arparo...or something like that. I guess the bad guys pushed him aside?

a reply to: carewemust

LOL

Arpaio.... the Lawman who didn't understand law enough to realize that accepting a pardon was an admission of his crimes.


SMDH

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Irishhaf
There was a very influential (in a good way) Sheriff in Arizona around 2016/2017. His name was Arparo...or something like that. I guess the bad guys pushed him aside?

Arpaio was played big time by the Soros-funded Penzone (among others), listened to the wrong people, and got too big for his britches. Some would say he was always too big for his britches, but when he began abusing his powers as sheriff and the courts, he crossed a line.

Then he went after the wrong person... Sheila Polk, then (and still) County Attorney for Yavapai County (Prescott area). She pretty much single-handedly destroyed Arpaio. Her only weapons? The law and the truth. "When the truth is known, justice takes care of itself" -- to paraphrase Mrs. Polk herself.

I championed Sheriff Arpaio for years. But at some point there was no defense or excuse for what he was doing.

a reply to: Boadicea
Wow! Thank-you for the background and history. I only knew of Sheriff Arpaio, and his flamboyancy, from national news reports. Now I understand why he flared up, and flamed out, just as quickly.

If there is an unknown TRUTH related to election fraud, hopefully it will cause "Justice to Take Care of Itself", too.

That's why I said release what is known thus far. If there appears to be fraud, "justice" (a judge) will FORCE compliance with the subpoenas issued by the AZ Senate.

a reply to: carewemust

You're welcome. It's a sad tale to tell... and even sadder to watch. I don't think Arpaio's a bad guy, but like I said, he listened to the wrong people.

If there is an unknown TRUTH related to election fraud, hopefully it will cause "Justice to Take Care of Itself", too.

That is my fervent hope and prayer. I would actually feel much much better about it all (the audit) if Sheila were involved... even better if she were running the whole show! Her reputation for honesty and integrity is such that at one time, there was a bipartisan grassroots effort to get her to run for state AG -- and I bet she would have won hands down. But, alas, we shall probably never be so blessed, because she's quite happy in Prescott being County Attorney. (I don't blame her! Beautiful country and good people -- what more could one want?) She wins by a landslide every re-election.

But back to the point: Truth has its own power, its own force and its own momentum. Once the truth train gets going, there is no stopping it. Hence the desperation to stop the audit. Or at least discredit and denigrate it in every possible way so the truth cannot be trusted.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Any audit-determined info on significant 2020 Maricopa election "irregularities" should be published Immediately.

The public will then demand release of subpoenaed routers/passwords.

In steps a judge to order seizure of the routers/passwords.

Too easy?

Trouble is the routers themselves.

It's one of those "hindsight 20/20" traps. If they make claims about the routers, and then the data doesn't back up those claims, they get egg on their face. Even if the claims were generally accurate, but a detail is off.

If they leave them out, it just looks like a sloppy election. A few voters getting sharpies when they should have gotten real pens. Some low quality printers ran some of the ballots.

No matter how many anomalies they find, they can't prove they are intentional.

....Except in the electronics. Maricopa doesn't have enough IT knowledge to be able to cover their tracks. They know if they doctor the data, IT professionals all around the country will be able to detect, identify, and separately confirm the doctoring. If they send the real data then well............. they know they'd better not send the real data.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Any audit-determined info on significant 2020 Maricopa election "irregularities" should be published Immediately.

The public will then demand release of subpoenaed routers/passwords.

In steps a judge to order seizure of the routers/passwords.

Too easy?

Trouble is the routers themselves.

It's one of those "hindsight 20/20" traps. If they make claims about the routers, and then the data doesn't back up those claims, they get egg on their face. Even if the claims were generally accurate, but a detail is off.

If they leave them out, it just looks like a sloppy election. A few voters getting sharpies when they should have gotten real pens. Some low quality printers ran some of the ballots.

No matter how many anomalies they find, they can't prove they are intentional.

....Except in the electronics. Maricopa doesn't have enough IT knowledge to be able to cover their tracks. They know if they doctor the data, IT professionals all around the country will be able to detect, identify, and separately confirm the doctoring. If they send the real data then well............. they know they'd better not send the real data.

You make a good point, but I don't think they can cover up evidence in the paper ballots either.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The other issue with the routers is that they are infrastructure routers for the county not just for the election, they have info for everyone who has connected through them. So police, the public, government officials, minors. There's personal information, private information, government information, banking info health services info.. It's not just specific to the election or the voting machines.

Just handing over all that info to a private organization would be a violation of any number of statutes and regulations which Maricopa stated in there denial of the request. I'm sure that's why they were so flippant in their denial of the subpoena, they knew if it went to a higher court, handing over the devices them selves with all that data would be struck down and they would be in the clear.

a reply to: Boadicea

Who bought ats btw?


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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Thankyou for the indepth (but easy to understand) explanation of why the routers are so critical....or is "pivotal" a better word?

BTW... It's been determined that 15 million paper (mailed) ballots from the Nov 2020 election are missing, nationwide.

Info: publicinterestlegal.org...

Not that it means anything, other than mail-in voting is ripe for fraud...just as President Trump said many times in 2020.

a reply to: nemonimity

Just handing over all that info to a private organization would be a violation of any number of statutes and regulations which Maricopa stated in there denial of the request.

I'm not sure that necessarily follows. There must be situations in which an outside private company -- properly cleared -- could and would be needed to do something... such as repairs or lawful subpoenas from the legislature. Much the same way any confidential information is sometimes accessible to an outside private organization for various reasons.

It's not like we're talking about some shady character hacking the servers from their home in Fountain Hills....

I'm sure that's why they were so flippant in their denial of the subpoena, they knew if it went to a higher court, handing over the devices them selves with all that data would be struck down and they would be in the clear.

Again, I'm not so sure about that, for the same reasons as above. It may be that having the election data on the same routers as all other county information would be considered illegal itself, and raise other legal issues.

Is it possible to compartmentalize the data on the routers, so that only election data is accessed?

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

Who bought ats btw?


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Good question. I'm not sure I want to know... I'm not sure I don't want to know.

The only difference I've see since the buyout is the secure connection. And we seem to have lots of new members lately, and some old members not posting anymore. But I may not be perusing enough to have an accurate opinion on that these days.

I think a lot of the old members are put off by direction shift that Q fans have brought to the forum.
It used to be the 9/11 truthers and their opposition that were causing waves here, but this new ats that has formed is a total landslide of crackpots spouting things that even the most ardent hologram plane theory supporter wouldn’t even touch with a pentagon light pole.

a reply to: carewemust I can not fathom why Biden is still in office and why there has been no release of the voting audit. The entire 2020 election was wrought with fraud. Never thought I would see this!!!!

originally posted by: moonrunner
I think a lot of the old members are put off by direction shift that Q fans have brought to the forum.

Maybe... probably at least some. But there's probably just as many who got tired of the eternal "Orange Man Bad" direction shift.

It used to be the 9/11 truthers and their opposition that were causing waves here, but this new ats that has formed is a total landslide of crackpots spouting things that even the most ardent hologram plane theory supporter wouldn’t even touch with a pentagon light pole.

Well, to that extent, at least the Qsters brought something -- lots of things -- to actually discuss, not matter how abstract or outlandish. Not much to discuss with the "Orange Man Bad" narrative. And it is a discussion forum.

Nevertheless, there's is PLENTY to discuss about Old Joey all day every day, and I'm guessing there also plenty who don't want to admit -- even to themselves -- that "Orange man bad" doesn't come close to "Senile man absolutely positively horrible."

originally posted by: Donley1
a reply to: carewemust I can not fathom why Biden is still in office and why there has been no release of the voting audit.

Sure ya can!!! You may not like the reasons... you may not agree with the reasons... you may not think the reasons are reasonable... but certainly you can "fathom" why and how...

I think a better question is why aren't folks demanding their own audits, and giving AZ more support instead of piling on when they are already the ONLY ONES doing the heavy lifting? Even if AZ finds massive fraud/tampering/interference, it won't have any effect nationally unless and until other states get off their asses and get the job done themselves.

The "well meaning" critics are giving power and credibility to the not so well meaning critics.

Of course, I'm also sure many of the "well meaning" concern trolls are anything but...

originally posted by: nemonimity
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The other issue with the routers is that they are infrastructure routers for the county not just for the election, they have info for everyone who has connected through them. So police, the public, government officials, minors. There's personal information, private information, government information, banking info health services info.. It's not just specific to the election or the voting machines.

It's true. But most of it is useless, unless you made a highly determined effort to trace it back to something.

If Chinese hackers got hold of it, they could probably do some harm.

The forensic audit might reveal things that make it easier for hackers to find ways in. Depending on how detailed the final report is.

But people are watching too many movies if they they think router data is going let someone figure out their social security number.