Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: alphabetaone
anyone who argues facts is an idiot. Arguing opinions, thats another matter completely.

My opinions Trump your facts.

Sorry, you asked for it.

Well, you certainly seem to have a rather high opinion of yourself.

a reply to: Boadicea

-- And there is no requirement that the Senate be in session:

What I mean is, the Senate wasn't in session when the subpoena was issued. It was actually issued 26 days after the adjournment of the legislative session.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Boadicea

What I mean is, the Senate wasn't in session when the subpoena was issued. It was actually issued 26 days after the adjournment of the legislative session.

This is the case that the County made to the AG. And the AG apparently rejected it for good and obvious reason. The Senate issued the initial subpoenas while in session. The County refused to comply. The session adjourned with the County still in noncompliance. Therefore, guilty as charged.

Further, I'm not sure that the adjournment argument has any merit at all anyway, because as stated the Senate Judiciary Committee that issued the subpoenas did not adjourn and was still active.

In the days immediately preceding the Senate's adjournment, when there was much fear mongering about the Senate adjourning sine die, it was explained by a few legislators that although the Senate body would adjourn, that the Senate Judiciary Committee -- which issued the subpoenas -- would continue to be active and available to continue the audit process in its entirety.

The County may still try to argue this point in court, but it seems to me that the courts have already ruled (affirmed) that they do not have jurisdiction over Senate business. The Judicial branch is equal to the Legislative branch, not superior, so the courts have no business dictating how the Senate conducts its business. If the Senate decides that the Judiciary Committee will still be active and in force after the adjournment of the Senate body as a whole, then the courts cannot say otherwise.

The County can try, and perhaps will. We'll see.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Other truths are available.

So are different opinions.

So, you equate facts and truth with opinion, and believe there are no simple, objective truths.

That is the basis of marxism/fascism, you know that right?

You do tend to be a little....binary?

When it comes to things that are binary: black/white, up/down, left/right, then yes/no... yes, I am.

Thank you very much.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Well, you certainly seem to have a rather high opinion of yourself.

Why, yes, yes I do. Thanks!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Do you always have to be so supercilious and insulting towards folk who do not share your opinions?

No, I don't.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Except, being a proponent of breaking federal, state and municipal law and engaging in activity that has potential for stoking actual violence is strictly forbidden on ATS per member agreement.

Except, I haven't seen anyone doing that... in fact.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: alphabetaone
Except, being a proponent of breaking federal, state and municipal law and engaging in activity that has potential for stoking actual violence is strictly forbidden on ATS per member agreement.

Except, I haven't seen anyone doing that... in fact.

Allow me to re-acquaint you then, with what some of us like to call fact (generally because it actually happened)



This might help jog your memory


With a little excerp in case you're too lazy to go look.

The honesty and integrity of authorities who make up any said set of rules, and my personal wants, dictates whether I follow them, or not.

You think Maricopa is just trying to wait for the press cycle to end? Or perhaps for the next election to begin?

I'm surprised they haven't destroyed the evidence already. Or maybe that's the problem: maybe they destroyed it and they don't want to have to admit to having done so?



They should all be summarily fired, and a new staff hired from the ground up to do their job. Simply have security escort them off the premises without letting them clean out their desk. I bet they could get a new staff trained in time for the mid terms.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
You think Maricopa is just trying to wait for the press cycle to end? Or perhaps for the next election to begin?

I'm surprised they haven't destroyed the evidence already. Or maybe that's the problem: maybe they destroyed it and they don't want to have to admit to having done so?



They should all be summarily fired, and a new staff hired from the ground up to do their job. Simply have security escort them off the premises without letting them clean out their desk. I bet they could get a new staff trained in time for the mid terms.

I don't know much about this Arizona official, but her Tweet yesterday caused quite a stir.

Here it is: twitter.com...

Based on Wendy's main page: twitter.com... , she seems to be a Trump-supporting conservative.

Does she know of the Arizona forensic audit findings yet?

a reply to: carewemust

I don't know much about this Arizona official, but her Tweet yesterday caused quite a stir.... Does she know of the Arizona forensic audit findings yet?

I would assume yes. Wendy is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee which is conducting the audit. If they did in fact meet Wednesday -- as scheduled and stated by Karen Fann, the Senate President -- to begin review of the auditor's report to the Senate, then she must know. Karen Fann also stated that there were nine members to the Senate Judiciary Committee. I assume Fann would make the 9th, in addition to the 8-members of the standing committee (three Dems and five Pubs).

Wendy has been doing an "audit tour", traveling to other states and working with other state reps and officials to speak at rallies for audits. So far she's been to and spoken at rallies in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Ohio, Georgia... That's what I recall. There may be more.

Here's a short bio that the AZ Senate Republicans posted to their Twitter a few days ago:

"The development came days after Mr. Corman ousted fellow GOP Sen. Doug Mastriano, R-Franklin, as the leader in Harrisburg of the push for an Arizona-style partisan “audit” of the 2020 election, saying Mr. Mastriano was more interested in “grandstanding” than in getting results. Mr. Corman installed Sen. Cris Dush, R-Jefferson, as the new chairman of the committee that will lead the review."

I forget how to post a link, article from Pittsburgh Post Gazette. If someone is kind enough to post it.
Governor Wolf and AG Shapiro decertified one county's voting machines after being looked at to force other counties to not comply.
Nush is a decent choice as he was at Arizona audit . I'll assume they don't want Mastriano doing it with his visibility from our election hearings with Rudy.

a reply to: mugger

Is this the one?

Top Pennsylvania GOP lawmaker: Hearings to begin this week to start ‘forensic investigation’ of 2020 election

The development came days after Mr. Corman ousted fellow GOP Sen. Doug Mastriano, R-Franklin, as the leader in Harrisburg of the push for an Arizona-style partisan “audit” of the 2020 election, saying Mr. Mastriano was more interested in “grandstanding” than in getting results. Mr. Corman installed Sen. Cris Dush, R-Jefferson, as the new chairman of the committee that will lead the review.

Somehow I don't think Mastriano is just going to shut up and slink quietly away!

Corman is quoted as saying that he has spoken with Trump, and that Trump is "comfortable" with where they are heading. There are also suggestions in the article that Corman might not want the risk of being primaried if he's perceived as anti-Trump.

What are your thoughts about it all? Do you trust Corman? Do you think the audit will be legit? Or a whitewash?

a reply to: Boadicea

Then, if Wendy hasn't been seduced or intimidated by the "dark side", I'll assume she's using a military tactic to take attention away from the audit(s), until the results/findings are ultimately released.

Thank-you for the thorough explanation and background on Ms. Rogers, and for somewhat alleviating my concern that she's been compromised.

AZ Audit Update: It Didn’t Have to Be This Way In Afghanistan But We Will Find The Truth – Subpoenas Enforced By Attorney General (VIDEO)

Kelli Ward reminds us that it did not have to be this way and provides an update on Attorney General Mark Brnovich’s excellent decision to uphold the constitution, on Thursday.

It is time to get to the bottom of this and prevent more American blood and treasure from being spilled by this fraudulent puppet-in-chief.

Finishing this audit and starting more audits must remain our #1 priority so that we can prevent the Biden Regime from dealing more death, damage, destruction, and more stolen elections.

Dr. Kelli Ward Twitter
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Arizona attorney general to Maricopa: Give up election information or lose state's $700M

In his ruling shared with Secrets, Brnovich said, “Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is in violation of state law for failing to comply with the Arizona Senate’s legislative subpoena related to the 2020 election audit. If MCBOS does not change course, the AGO will notify the Arizona Treasurer to withhold Maricopa County’s state-shared funds as required under the law.”

According to county and state estimates, the state provides about $700 million a year to the county, over a quarter of its $2.7 billion budget.

Brnovich's investigation of the county's actions began earlier this month.

In a statement, Brnovich added, “We are notifying the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors that it must fully comply with the Senate’s subpoena as required by the law. Our courts have spoken. The rule of law must be followed.”

Note: As I understand it, the amount withheld will be 10% of that $700 million, so only about $70 million will actually be withheld -- if it comes to that.
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Rep Mark Finchem Twitter

In fact, I am of the opinion that the entire cost of the audit should be billed back to the county for the delays and legal hoops that the Senate has had to go through just to do its job.

I agree 100%.
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Wendy Rogers Twitter

Paper ballots only. One day of voting. National holiday. Encrypted watermarks. Easy forensic audits. Counting by precinct only. No absentee except military & disabled - they have to be requested each election individually with voter ID. Voter ID for voting in person. Too easy!

Let's get it done!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Then, if Wendy hasn't been seduced or intimidated by the "dark side", I'll assume she's using a military tactic to take attention away from the audit(s), until the results/findings are ultimately released.

Thank-you for the thorough explanation and background on Ms. Rogers, and for somewhat alleviating my concern that she's been compromised.

Wendy Rogers is a trooper. A real AmeriCAN trooper. Of everyone involved, she is the absolute LAST person I would expect to betray our nation and our people and her mission.

If anyone can and will get the job done, she will.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
You think Maricopa is just trying to wait for the press cycle to end? Or perhaps for the next election to begin?

I'm surprised they haven't destroyed the evidence already. Or maybe that's the problem: maybe they destroyed it and they don't want to have to admit to having done so?



They should all be summarily fired, and a new staff hired from the ground up to do their job. Simply have security escort them off the premises without letting them clean out their desk. I bet they could get a new staff trained in time for the mid terms.

I don't know much about this Arizona official, but her Tweet yesterday caused quite a stir.

Here it is: twitter.com...

Based on Wendy's main page: twitter.com... , she seems to be a Trump-supporting conservative.

Does she know of the Arizona forensic audit findings yet?

If they found massive amounts of fraud as suspected, it wouldn't surprise me if the US government gag orders everyone in the know under the guise of national security.

But how is it in the country's best interest to no long have a fair honest vote?

I guess they figure that the perception of a fair and honest vote is all that really matters to them but at the end of the day, those people are traitors to the county, it's citizens, and it's Constitution.

a reply to: IndieA
They're doing a good job of confusing and delaying.

Every Friday (like today) I ask myself,

"Why have we finished another week with not even a partial Arizona audit report published, or at least a press briefing held, highlighting the findings to this point? I thought 90% of the audit was done, weeks ago!"

Then I think of how Q often said, Covid-19 will be used as an excuse over and over throughout society, to distract, and delay "truths" being exposed. Wasn't it about 8 days ago Covid-19 was used as an excuse for some key aspect of the Arizona Forensic audit not being completed?

originally posted by: alphabetaone
"The honesty and integrity of authorities who make up any said set of rules, and my personal wants, dictates whether I follow them, or not."

Really? Thats all you got?

That isn't a call for violence, or to break any specific law. That is a simple observation.

And you then called for them to be banned - for that?

Rotflmao!!!!!~

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: IndieA
They're doing a good job of confusing and delaying.

Every Friday (like today) I ask myself,

"Why have we finished another week with not even a partial Arizona audit report published, or at least a press briefing held, highlighting the findings to this point? I thought 90% of the audit was done, weeks ago!"

You're not wrong... there's good reason to wonder. I wish I was in a position to give you all the answers you want. All the answers that we all deserve! I think it's safe to assume that there are folks doing everything they can to make sure that does not happen. There are also good folks -- real good folks -- making sure it does happen.

I think it is safe to say that they are making sure it is done right, airtight, dotting all their "i's" and crossing all their "t's" and getting all their ducks in a row.

Then I think of how Q often said, Covid-19 will be used as an excuse over and over throughout society, to distract, and delay "truths" being exposed. Wasn't it about 8 days ago Covid-19 was used as an excuse for some key aspect of the Arizona Forensic audit not being completed?

I think what you are referring to is the delay of the auditor's preliminary report being given to the Senate. It was first said that it would/did happen on Friday. It actually happened Monday. I didn't like how that played out at all, and I still don't. But it made me look harder, look deeper, and ask different questions which brought me different answers.

I know you already know this, but choose who you trust very carefully... maybe don't trust anyone at all. Some that are on the right side may be given bad info with no ill intent on their part. But not necessarily who you might think. The misinfo and disinfo are real. There are pot stirrers and backbiters and traitors in our midst.

Desperate times for some very desperate people.

For now, I am focusing on the members of the AZ House and Senate who are actually privy to the whole truth -- at least to the extent they know it.