Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Congress certified the Electoral College votes, it's over.

Fraud vitiates everything.

The more important the situation, the more important that it be vitiated immediately.

It is up to the State Legislatures. If they de-certify - and there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that says they can't - then it falls to Congress to hold a Contingent Election. The same thing that would have happened had those State's electors been sent packing and the Legislatures failed to re-certify by 1/20.

It will be up to the Supreme Court whether they can decertify, or not.

When a question has never been asked, the answer to that question is: "Let's ask the Supreme Court what they think."

It's not automatically "yes", and it's not automatically "no". The only way anyone can possibly know the answer is if the question has already been asked to a previous court.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: IndieA

He claims the auditors are partisan. Everyone involved is partisan. I don't know if you could find someone in the USA, on July 23rd, 2021 who isn't partisan.

If it was OK to ask for the routers then, it shouldn't make a different who is doing the work. let them finish and see if you can poke holes in their results. This is like breaking down in tears before the first punch is thrown. man up skippy.

The other issue is: no Dem partisans have come forward and offered to do a forensic audit yet. (Especially not one where they record 4+ petabytes of camera footage to film every interaction with the material.)

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: IndieA



It certainly isn't because the Cyber Ninjas were too partisan. Are they actually partisan? I know they've long suspected fraud, but are they actually pro-Trump? Or pro-Republican?

Only someone who suspects fraud would take interest in doing a forensic audit, right?

But anyone who suspects fraud is, therefore, partisan.

It is therefore politically impossible for any non partisan entity to perform the audit.

a reply to: xuenchen

Really?…….show me how this helps the trumpsters…you are being grifted to the amount of 70 million in donations to trump since he left office. What’s that piece of candy on a stick called?

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: xuenchen

Really?…….show me how this helps the trumpsters…you are being grifted to the amount of 70 million in donations to trump since he left office. What’s that piece of candy on a stick called?

I heard some are calling that sour candy jimmyx.

The rest of us call it a forensic audit to determine if the legally cast physical ballots match the official dominion tally.

And worth every damn penny.

Even if the audit doesn't turn anything up, the fact it was done will cause future would-be cheaters to have to consider the possibility before attempting to cheat.


But if we don't do it now, when people are wanting it done, that will have the opposite effect also.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Boadicea
Glad you are back.
The "its all overs" showed up again.

When will that report be out again?
How much fraud is acceptable?

If what was found thus far is damning, there would be no stopping the retrieval of the routers, SSID passwords, or anything else that was needed, assuming a judge of good integrity/character is involved in this overall process.

If Cyber Ninjas doesn't want to show what they've discovered to the public, at least show it to the judge, so he/she will sign a seizure of potential evidence warrant.

If nothing pointing to potential fraud has been found, let the Forensic Audit conclude, and issue the report.

It's disgusting how much B.S. humans willingly invent, just to stay busy and important. (I hear it from people talking on their cell phones all the time. 10 minutes to reach a solution that should have taken no longer than 2 minutes to reach.)

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Good point! If the fraudsters win this time, they'll be emboldened going forward, and new recruits will join them for the excitement/challenge of pulling off the next big hack.

originally posted by: jimmyx
all of you do realize that “The audit” is being use to generate outrage regardless of outcome

I realize that the audit is a result of the "outrage" already generated by piss poor critters and their minions. I realize that the continued actions (and lack thereof) by critters is perpetuating the outrage. And I realize that the information continuing to come out is escalating the outrage.

The audit itself isn't the problem. If the facts and the truth are outrageous, then there will be outrage. It's a very simple equation.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Only someone who suspects fraud would take interest in doing a forensic audit, right?

But anyone who suspects fraud is, therefore, partisan.

It is therefore politically impossible for any non partisan entity to perform the audit.

Um... I'm looking at this from a completely different angle. At this point, given that both parties are behaving badly, and both parties continue to criticize and refuse audits, no one should be partisan about any of this.

Cheating is cheating, an audit is an audit, no party politics are necessary or appropriate.

2020 Election Security Procedures Violated – Why The County Will Not Provide Routers, Splunk Logs, Fobs
The article cites several examples that show security procedures were violated, and cites the relevant statutes and policies violated.

It is worth the read to understand the issues found, and why the subpoenaed materials are the only way to know the full extent of violations.
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Elections Assistance Commission (EAC) Is Being Sued for Secretly Permitting Internet Access on Election Machines

In a strange series of events, the Elections Assistance Commission (EAC) is being sued for updating its policy and allowing voting machines to include Internet access. These policy changes were discussed in private with voting machine companies and silently passed by the EAC without required public debate.

The lawsuit was filed by a member of the board of the EAC, Philip Stark. Mr. Stark was also one of three auditors in Windham, New Hampshire. But:

Stark made an early exit in New Hampshire never to be seen again. It’s not known how much time and effort he supplied to the audit and what he was paid for being an auditor in name only. Nor is it known why he left.

But now Stark is back in the news. This time he is suing the EAC, where he is a Board member. Stark and the organization, Free Speech for People, are suing the EAC for updating voting machine guidelines that allow them to have access to the Internet.

The legal docs are posted at the link, with further details of how and why these changes were made.
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Ruh roh! The Arizona Republic newspaper is reporting trouble for/with Ken Bennett:

The liaison for the Arizona election audit gave some data to outside experts who want to check the Cyber Ninjas' work, and then he was locked out of the audit.

Randy Randazzo Twitter

Randy Randazzo is a reporter for the Arizona Republic, but I believe the article was actually written by Jen Fifield who has also been tweeting about it.

Jen Fifield Twitter

The Arizona Republic article is behind a paywall. Here are a couple reports about the AZ Republic article:

Republicans kick Arizona audit 'director' out of the building as GOP chaos escalates: report

"Questions are mounting about who is in control of the long-running partisan review of Maricopa County's 2020 election results — the Arizona Senate, which ordered it, or the outside firms that are running it," The Arizona Republic reported Friday evening. "On Friday, Ken Bennett, the Senate liaison to the audit, was not allowed into the building at the state fairgrounds where the audit is taking place, a day after he shared data with outside critics from an ongoing ballot count."

"While this work is supposedly being overseen by Senate representatives, many times that oversight is not there," the newspaper noted. "The Cyber Ninjas have for weeks resisted getting outside checks of the audit, insiders say."

Arizona GOP Audit Director Barred From Recount After Sharing Data Supporting Trump Loss

I cannot find any statements from either Ken Bennett or Karen Fann, or any official response to these reports. I'll keep watching...

originally posted by: shooterbrody

How much fraud is acceptable?

That question is pretty much tantamount to "how much crime is acceptable?"....

In the same way that there's no real solution for eliminating crime 100%, the same goes with fraud.

There will always be crime.
There will always be fraud.

Until..... people actually stop being people, but then again, even in the animal kingdom there is "crime", one animal steals another's food etc.... difference being that, in NATURE there is no right or wrong, only consequences.

originally posted by: Boadicea


I also find it problematic that so many people are so quick to think "partisan" when someone expresses an opinion or facts that agree with either party. It is not only possible to come to the same general conclusions or opinions from different angles and for different reasons and logic.

Well sure, "partisan" or "leaning" or "bias" is the easy out to circumvent a sound opposition to a merited talking point or debate. Mathematics is the great equalizer for us, 1+1 always equals 2 no matter party affiliation, as it should. Of course to QAnons i feel confident they could drum up flat earth equations that somehow disprove it.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: shooterbrody

How much fraud is acceptable?

That question is pretty much tantamount to "how much crime is acceptable?"....

In the same way that there's no real solution for eliminating crime 100%, the same goes with fraud.

There will always be crime.
There will always be fraud.

Until..... people actually stop being people, but then again, even in the animal kingdom there is "crime", one animal steals another's food etc.... difference being that, in NATURE there is no right or wrong, only consequences.

Election results should never be audited.

Ballots should never be inspected.

Voters should never be asked for an I.D.

Early ballots should always be bulk mailed to everyone who had ever registered to vote, regardless of whether they still live at the same address.

And of course, all voting machines should be connected to the internet at all times.

No worry there, democrats will refuse to comply with subpoenas for router logs.

And all of those legally required chain of custody documents are merely suggestions from politicians.

Just like the 2020 democrat riots, any election crimes should be ignored.

No point prosecuting a handful of cheaters that get caught every election, because cheating is just human nature.

All according to your absurd post.

And very similar to the 'logic' pathetic democrats are using when refusing to prosecute actual crimes committed by actual democrats in many major cities.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Boadicea


I also find it problematic that so many people are so quick to think "partisan" when someone expresses an opinion or facts that agree with either party. It is not only possible to come to the same general conclusions or opinions from different angles and for different reasons and logic.

Well sure, "partisan" or "leaning" or "bias" is the easy out to circumvent a sound opposition to a merited talking point or debate. Mathematics is the great equalizer for us, 1+1 always equals 2 no matter party affiliation, as it should. Of course to QAnons i feel confident they could drum up flat earth equations that somehow disprove it.

Nice Q smear thrown in for feelz.



Do the legally cast physical ballots match the official dominion count or not?

THAT is the question the audit is attempting to answer.

Seems to have brainwashed democrats in one heck of a panic.


Such a dangerous idea.

That the ballot tally should match physical ballots.

a reply to: Boadicea


We always suspected this was coming.

Democrats trying again to prevent or distract from audit results.

Completely unable to wait for completion.

Because panicked about consequences.

I expect this to accelerate over the next 4-5 days before confirmation count is completed.

Wouldn't be surprised if democrats request court order preventing public release of ballot counts next week.

And definitely expect more 'stories' from democrat 'press' in the next few days.

And brainwashed democrats will believe every word of those stories.

Because they don't know how to do anything else.



ETA:

What's next?

Will democrats send their furry little brownshirt army again?

Sneak in more pens of the wrong color?

Fake harrassment claim?

Instruct security guards to leave the ballots unattended?

Send fake canvassers out to harass their own citizens?

Hire foreign spies to fabricate some kind of dossier?

Riot in major U.S. cities?

Shoot up a Republican softball practice?

Crash a Republican train?

Shoot up a country music festival?

Clog the highways with protesters and beat down anyone attempting to get to audit building?

Intentionally disconnect the Senate's web feed for hearing on results?

Censor all non narrative information on nearly all media platforms?

Or do they have something else planned this time?

Who knows?

We ARE talking about democrats here.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

By all means, disprove what i've said as anything but accurate. Crime has always existed and will. Fraud has always existed and always will.


Or do you have this magical trinket that will put a stop to it?


Enlighten us all

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit



Nice Q smear thrown in for feelz.

It wasnt for feelz, it was because they deserve any amount of smear they get for being lunatics. Seems to have hit a nerve...

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit



Nice Q smear thrown in for feelz.

It wasnt for feelz, it was because they deserve any amount of smear they get for being lunatics. Seems to have hit a nerve...

You couldn't hit a nerve on me if you spent you entire life trying.

But that doesn't mean I am therefore unable or unwilling to respond to democrat absurdity whenever I choose.

Including your pathological need to post unrelated smears whenever possible.

Now afraid of the response you'll get when including unrelated Trump smears, so switching to unrelated Q smears instead?

Think your minor tactic change wouldn't be noticed?

You aren't as smart as you think.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: Nunyabizisit
By all means, disprove what i've said as anything but accurate. Crime has always existed and will. Fraud has always existed and always will.
Or do you have this magical trinket that will put a stop to it?
Enlighten us all

Nice attempt to deflect from the stupidity in your post.

It didn't work.

Just because there is always crime doesn't mean that we should stop attempting to catch or prevent it.

That IS the absurd democrat position on many types of crimes lately.

For pretty obvious and vile reasons.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

It's ok, there's medication for it. You'll be alright