Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

Even without direct mass fraud I just want extremely crappy processes to be fixed. Things like not verifying voters or their addresses actually plays more into local elections where the numbers to win or lose are very small many times. As we move away from in person voting to just mass mailings many states have failed to add the needed oversight such a change needs to insure no one rigs an election.

Lets find and fix the cracks now and not later...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Even without direct mass fraud I just want extremely crappy processes to be fixed. Things like not verifying voters or their addresses actually plays more into local elections where the numbers to win or lose are very small many times. As we move away from in person voting to just mass mailings many states have failed to add the needed oversight such a change needs to insure no one rigs an election.

Lets find and fix the cracks now and not later...

Exactly!!!

And I quoted you in full because this cannot be said too many times!

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
I guess you win the internet today for pointing out the typo.

It shows you didn't bother to read the article or anything regarding the emails released via FOIA before commenting nor that you understand who the players are. It wasn't a typo, that happens once, you didn't know who the Arizona Senate President is.

originally posted by: network dude
For your sake, I hope there is no fraud.

Who said 'no fraud'? I said not even remotely enough fraud to change the outcome.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
For your sake, I hope there is no fraud.

Who said 'no fraud'? I said not even remotely enough fraud to change the outcome.

for the record, how much fraud is OK, and should anyone look for it, or is that bad?

originally posted by: network dude
for the record, how much fraud is OK, and should anyone look for it, or is that bad?

No fraud is okay, but this isn't about preventing fraud, this is about Trump as everyone has known and the emails now show.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
for the record, how much fraud is OK, and should anyone look for it, or is that bad?

No fraud is okay, but this isn't about preventing fraud, this is about Trump as everyone has known and the emails now show.

You can say that as many times as you want.

Won't change the facts.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Won't change the facts.

How could I change the facts? They are pretty obvious from the emails. I'll leave fact-denial to the massive election fraud crowd.

I'm determined to get this posted because my gut is telling me it's important... I'm not sure how or why yet, but I've learned to trust my instincts.

So after much frustration with reports using so many weasel words and vague terms to describe the election materials (whatever that means!) taken to Montana, I've been trying to nail down the facts as I can.

The original reports all seem to stem from one article behind a paywall at AZCentral:

Maricopa County election data is in a 'secure lab' in Montana, or maybe a log cabin in the woods?

But I found a cached version www.azcentral.com... it-maricopa-county-election-data-secure-lab-montana-log-home/7511886002/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" class="postlink">here.

(ETA: And as we can see, the link will not format properly. Nor will a direct link format properly. If you want to read the article, you can probably Google it easy enough with the title provided, or send me a PM and I'll post it in a reply. Hopefully that will work!)

A contractor hired by the Arizona Senate is reviewing Maricopa County's 2020 election data from an undisclosed location in Montana, with no oversight from state or county officials.

Ben Cotton, founder of tech firm CyFIR, a Senate subcontractor, made copies of the county's election server and other election data and then drove the copies to a "secure lab" in Montana, according to Senate liaison Ken Bennett. The Senate was given county voters' private information, but Bennett said he doesn't know if Cotton has copies of that in Montana.

It appears that the "secure lab" might be a home owned by Cotton in the northern Montana wilderness. Bennett said he didn't know, and Cotton and Cyber Ninjas, the Senate's main contractors, refuse to answer questions.

The above is from June 3. But that isn't the first that this was known or documented, because the SoS website posted this about 10 days earlier on the 23rd of May:

Observation: On May 24, 2021, Senate Liaison Ken Bennett confirmed that copies of voting system data was sent to a lab in Montana. He did not specify what security measures were in place, or what the lab in Montana will do with the data or how long it will be in possession of the copies.

"Confirmed." So someone knew that this would happen, and/or suspected that it had happened. Unfortunately, no one has nailed down how anyone knew to ask to begin with, but my best bet is that the reports from Cyber Ninjas outlining their methods and procedures (which were made public on April 29) included having some data analyzed by someone not on site. I haven't read through all the reports yet to find out though.

The original article from AZCentral is short on direct quotes from Bennett, and does not say when or how Bennett made any/all of the statements. But it does give us this:

Bennett said the only thing he knew for sure was that Cotton had taken the data to a "secure lab" in Montana.

The AZCentral article goes on to voice concern about the security of the data, although it also clearly states that there is no evidence to think it is not secure. (Funny how they're worried about security of the data despite the fact that there is "no evidence" the data is not secure, but they are not worried about the actual election because there is "no evidence"!)

Just for the record, I'm pretty sure that this particular data was not excluded from all the other security and safeguarding measures that the auditors have taken. This particular data is no more or less secure and safeguarded than any other data.

However, CNN is apparently sooooooooooooooooo worried about the security of this data, that they felt it appropriate to track down the public property information, then go to Montana to the assumed/suspected property, and fly a drone over it for the whole world to see!!! Isn't that special??? (And no, I'm not posting a link. It's easy enough to find...)

While on their drone adventure, CNN also reported that they could not find anything that looked like a "lab". I'm not sure what they think a lab for analyzing data looks like. Personally, I have no idea! But they did not buildings on the property, and I'm pretty sure someone smart enough to analyze the data is smart enough to set up a proper "lab" for their purpose in pretty much any/all buildings. Four walls, a roof and electricity should do it!

Various reports say that the data was "sent" to Montana, others say the data was "taken" to Montana.... by truck. I'm going with "sent" as the most likely, because I cannot see why it wouldn't be. In fact, it seems more sensible to transmit the data electronically, than to carry a disk or thumbdrive on a road trip. And I think the "taken by truck" part is hyperbole, meant to suggest things that just aren't. It struck me as something physical and material that needed to be physically transported. Instead it seems that it was a personal pickup truck (and probably the primary or only personal vehicle) of the person responsible for the data, and that it was only data in some form -- not something material to be physically transported.

No one can tell us what data this includes. It could be a small part of the total data collected, a big part, or all of it. We don't know because no one is telling us.

State Senate liaison Ken Bennett confirmed to KGVO that the “powerful lab” is run by Cotton. Transported data was downloaded from the hard drives that Maricopa County used in the election, he said. It may or may not include voter registration data, and some of it could be sensitive, Bennett said...[snip]...Cotton refused to discuss the data with KGVO because he said he has signed a nondisclosure agreement.

One legitimate concern raised by the SoS is that the process was promised to be transparent, and the auditors have done a pretty good job of that. Many reports complain about lack of "oversight" or "supervision." I don't know what that means to them, but it's definitely outside the view of the 24/7 cameras at the Coliseum. And it's possible that anything and everything to do with this data is being recorded somehow, but I don't think that's likely; and even if it is, it will only be viewable after the fact, not in real time.

So this is what I've been able to make sense of so far. Still far too many unanswered questions, but that may come in time.
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Here are a few more links confirming/expanding all of the above:

Cy ber Ninjas releases documents describing Maricopa County audit procedures after court ruling

Arizona ‘Audit’ Contractor Took Election Data To A Montana ‘Lab’… Or Maybe A Log Cabin

Arizona Sham Auditors Transport Voting System Data To Secret Montana Hideout

a reply to: Boadicea

All initial reports said copies of the original data was transported to Montana for analysis.

The media and liberal pundits are paranoid, like this data includes credit card numbers, and medical history, lol.

a reply to: carewemust

The very first report (that I can find) specifically states that it was sent to Montana:

Observation: On May 24, 2021, Senate Liaison Ken Bennett confirmed that copies of voting system data was sent to a lab in Montana. He did not specify what security measures were in place, or what the lab in Montana will do with the data or how long it will be in possession of the copies.

This would have come from the SoS's observers, the "Pink Shirts", and was first posted May 24 at the SoS's website: Coliseum Observer Notes 2021

I really don't know which is correct. But "sent" electronically makes more sense to me.

Tick Tock....someone is going to wind up Epstiened....

55% of Voters Support Election Audits

Rasmussen asked 900 likely voters the following questions:

• The state of Arizona has conducted a forensic audit of 2020 election results in Maricopa County to ensure that there was no vote fraud. Do you support or oppose audits of election results?
  
• Does expressing doubt about the outcome of elections undermine democracy in America?
  
• Does expressing doubt about the outcome of elections undermine democracy in America?
  
• Did Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential election fairly?

In response --

• 55% support forensic audits
  
• 29% oppose such audits
  
• 17% are not sure
  
• And 41% of voters still don’t believe that Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election fairly.

Support by party for audits --

• 71% of Republican voters support forensic election audits
  
• 38% of Democrats
  
• 57% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

And --

• 70% of Republican voters don’t believe Biden won fairly
  
• 10% of Democrats
  
• 45% of unaffiliated voters.

This might be most interesting though, in that support for audits and disbelief that Biden won fairly are increasing:

In February, 34% of Likely Voters did not believe Biden won the election fairly. In an April survey, a majority of voters (51%) believed it was at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 election

One thing to note is that the survey asked if these voters support audits in general, not if they support the Arizona audit specifically, or support an audit for their state specifically. But if that many people support audits in general, they cannot be impressed by the back flips so many are doing to prevent audits.

a reply to: matafuchs

I saw this immediately after reading your comment and it literally gave me the chills:

BREAKING: Software Creator John McAfee Found Dead in His Prison Cell in Spain in Apparent Suicide

Too damn close for comfort.

a reply to: Boadicea

Rasmussen is Right Wing

It always favors the Right.

a reply to: Annee

So I've heard before. For example --

Pollster: Rasmussen Research has a pro-GOP bias

Folks can make up their own minds about that I suppose.

a reply to: Boadicea

As inflation continues to increase, more people will open their eyes to the possibility that Joe Biden was telling the truth in October of 2020.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

So I've heard before. For example --

Pollster: Rasmussen Research has a pro-GOP bias

Folks can make up their own minds about that I suppose.

Thank you.

I might attempt to post again.

I dont care which way the lean politically are they correct in their polling or not?

Most of the data I have seen seems to show they end up being right more times than not, but most polling groups have been terrible the last 6-10 years so your mileage may very.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
Look at that.

Another funny.

Not a joke, it's reality and t's a reality so absolute that I would put money on it.

So, just stopping by to drop off another funny?

I was hoping for more.

At this point its all that one has.
And not much funny anymore.
Kindof like the people at walmart at midnight in methganistan.