If We Want Unity, It's Up To Us To Bring It

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: LSU2018

Well I am a Christian so I strive for sanctification and don't give up.

But even non Christians must see the usefullness in finding the common ground over a civil war, .... right?

I, too, am a Christian. We can't sit here and continue to take hit after hit after hit while continuing to be the adults in the room. I refuse to sit here and let my country become lost and risk my church being shot up. Is it not enough already when we're having to put two armed men of the church in the foyer to make sure an armed man doesn't walk through and start killing our families? I agree with the call for unity but the other side is vehemently blocking and denying all attempts. Enough is enough.

What's your answer then?

For anyone pushing towards war, you'll have to be debased enough to do horrific s#. You willing to kill pregnant women? Babies? Watch children starve? You want your wives/daughters/mothers in danger of rape/murder?
Keep on the warpath then.



Or...

You could try to find our American common ground again.

Wanting to appear too tough to be willing to find a moderate way forward is perhaps not the best answer.

originally posted by: dug88


This current division is an artificially created division over the last 12-13 years to keep people from actually uniting against the people that destroyed the economy in 2008 and have kept it afloat in a magic bubble of make believe nonsense ever since.

I agree it is artificial and it started mostly under Obama in 2012. Why we know it is artificial is because in "real" life we do get along, we work together, play together, live together ETC. You hear about micro situations, but overall life moves on with the vast majority of people. People attacking or being attack basically are putting themselves in the cage first to begin with, and this is such a small percentage of people, but the news makes it out like a majority.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think you're right. I don't really see the same divide in my day-to-day life, though have heard about more disrupted relationships resulting from differing beliefs than I've ever noted before.

I do, however see an alarming amping up of emotions and a widening chasm between nearly everyone (men-women, old-young, Dems-Repubs), and having studied enough history I know that we're by no means exempt from reaching the boiling point and devolving into all-out war.

Yugoslavians were also divided by an outside force. The country fell under the pressure.

I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
True unity among people means accepting them for who they are. There is nothing from the left that indicates they are willing to accept anything other than blind absolute allegiance to their agenda. The DHS has just issued a domestic terrorism alert identifying conservatives, based entirely on their political views, as the violent extremists targeted by the bulletin.

So yeah, lets all hug and sing cumbaya on the way to the reprogramming camps so we can be brainwashed drones just like the democrats.

That's exactly right... I came across this song recently. I can't tell if it has a rap or a pop beat because I spend all of my time listening to 80's music, but this one really takes the cake on what we're dealing with today. I'll include some lyrics in case you don't want to listen to it. The words mean the most.

[Chorus]
This is the home of the brave
But there's so many people full of greed
No more order 'cause we're busy bein' led on
By the fact we can't control what we see
I'm stuck between tomorrow and next week
But it's right where I'm at, that's what's best for me
But as it stands all the problems that we can't let be
That's why divided we fall in the land of the free

[Verse 1]
Man I'm sick of all the anger, the hate, the haste, the danger
The things we seem to think we think are really not that major
There's problems in the world that we don't hardly understand
Yet we bitch about 'em talkin' 'bout we got the master plan
Man the problem is we don't really even love each other
When we see a brother, we just really tolerate each other
It's a cold world, it's time to face the facts
If we don't step up and make a stand, we gon' stay on our ass
Man I can't turn on the news without a poisonous agenda
I don't trust the politicians much as I don't trust the system
Man I used to think that country meant that united we stand
Now we drop and stomp our flag as if it's only just a brand
And I ain't cool with that, if you cool with that, then we ain't the same and that's a fact
I'm a patriot and I'm proud as hell, I'm a country boy and I know it well
'Round here we grind our ass off, we say # with our mask off, and if it don't sound right, then we're down to fight
'Cause we ain't never been one to be passed off

a reply to: Xtrozero

One of the main pillars is language manipulation. And, it did indeed get kicked into high gear under Obama.


a reply to: zosimov

I think "unity" is a fine word. As the link above suggests, there is really no escape from the manipulation.

The Narrative around "unity" is essentially a "kumbaya utopia." Ludicrous, but thats what folks will fight over.

Id be very curious to see how many people deriding the concept, or saying things like "enough is enough," or "off the sidelines" laughed at those of us who have been talking about (and fighting) this stuff for 10-20+ years. How many ignored warnings about Agenda 21 and global corporations..

They still have absolutely zero idea what they are up against. Kinda seems like a bunch of folks just realized something is afoot in the last few years, and are now flailing their arms around. Id wager the majority havent looked beyond democrats or the CCP.

In reality, we just had quite a show of unity with regards to wall street. Now, Id temper that statement by saying it was one small skirmish on one battlefield in a much larger conflict. And its ongoing.. but its there.

Id also make the claim that politicians, our so-called leaders, are entirely obsolete. We have the technology to cut out that particular middleman. Sure, there would be some susceptibility to stuff like hacking.. Which would mean itd be exactly the same as now, just without the duplicitous "leaders."

The entire plan all along is to precipitate violent internal conflict to kneecap the west. This is accomplished almost entirely through media, social media, and algorithms.

a reply to: zosimov

Secede. Those who despise us can have their own government and we can have ours. I wouldn't kill anyone unless my or my family's life was in danger. My mom, sister, and wife all carry guns for protection so they won't have to face the dangers of rape or murder without at least a good fight. I think you have a great idea on how it should be, but the world we're living in is everything but the way it should be and nothing we do will help that. You should be well aware as it's written in the Bible.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: Xtrozero

One of the main pillars is language manipulation. And, it did indeed get kicked into high gear under Obama.

 

 

a reply to: zosimov

I think "unity" is a fine word. As the link above suggests, there is really no escape from the manipulation.

The Narrative around "unity" is essentially a "kumbaya utopia." Ludicrous, but thats what folks will fight over.

Id be very curious to see how many people deriding the concept, or saying things like "enough is enough," or "off the sidelines" laughed at those of us who have been talking about (and fighting) this stuff for 10-20+ years. How many ignored warnings about Agenda 21 and global corporations..

They still have absolutely zero idea what they are up against. Kinda seems like a bunch of folks just realized something is afoot in the last few years, and are now flailing their arms around. Id wager the majority havent looked beyond democrats or the CCP.

In reality, we just had quite a show of unity with regards to wall street. Now, Id temper that statement by saying it was one small skirmish on one battlefield in a much larger conflict. And its ongoing.. but its there.

Id also make the claim that politicians, our so-called leaders, are entirely obsolete. We have the technology to cut out that particular middleman. Sure, there would be some susceptibility to stuff like hacking.. Which would mean itd be exactly the same as now, just without the duplicitous "leaders."

The entire plan all along is to precipitate violent internal conflict to kneecap the west. This is accomplished almost entirely through media, social media, and algorithms.

I find this to be a brilliant response.
It gives me more hope for our future than most of what I've seen/read lately.

I hope whoever else needs to see this, does.


Thank you!!

a reply to: LSU2018

You are right--it never was meant to be a utopia here. (and most of humanity's past attempts to create utopia on earth have only made it more hellish-- a good friend said once "A utopia for whom?")

I really wish you and yours the best, but hope it never comes to a split. I, for one, would have no where to go, would be torn in half regarding family and friends.

a reply to: zosimov

I feel we have been seeing some pretty encouraging things. "Decentralization" is being talked about more, and the wall street stuff should meaningfully spike the concept into the mainstream Narrative.

Rather than some vague notion though, the critical part is to identify the specifics of the core framework and then deploy them. This would be absolutely required for any non-tyrannical future, in my opinion. Universal appeal & unity right there Id even say it would create a better paradigm for the technocrats too, though it would eliminate some of their main points of manipulation (energy, food, manufacturing) for the first time in history.

Importantly though, we are up against a system that almost exclusively hijacks, subverts, or misdirects as SOP. It doesnt really create anything on its own, so must leverage its advantages. And it does so exceptionally well.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Thank you for always adding really weighty but resourceful and hopeful ideas to the fray.
I was really pleased to read a comment from a fellow ATSer recently linking back to your self-sufficiency threads.

I really believe that one of these days the right person is going to read your posts.

In the meantime, I plan on learning how to save/store seeds and up my garden yield. I can clearly see that these people can't be trusted w/ my food supply, and even though I am completely dependent atm, doesn't mean I always have to be.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: zosimov

Secede. Those who despise us can have their own government and we can have ours. I wouldn't kill anyone unless my or my family's life was in danger. My mom, sister, and wife all carry guns for protection so they won't have to face the dangers of rape or murder without at least a good fight. I think you have a great idea on how it should be, but the world we're living in is everything but the way it should be and nothing we do will help that. You should be well aware as it's written in the Bible.

The overwhelming majority of Americans would rather sacrifice to fix what we already have, than sacrifice to build a new government/nation that could break even worse than what we are witnessing today. Good luck paddling your barely functional lifeboat from a mostly functional battleship in hostile waters, we'll keep a ladder ready if you change your mind.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I don't know if I would assert confirmation from the overwhelming masses. I know a heck of a lot of people who would cut ties with all dem run states and never look back. People like me have always said things like, if dems want open borders so much let them keep whoever crosses in their state. Let their taxes support them. Let their hospitals care for them. Let their schools try to teach every class in multiple languages in the same time it takes to teach one class in one language. Let them raise entire generations of children with a fraction of an education and see how productive they are in the real world. If they want higher taxes, let them be the ones who pay them.

I, and many many people like me, have no problem with succession. Mainly because we definitely come out on top by a huge margin. Republican run states are typically so much better off than democrat run states its not even close. Lets split and form a republican run country and a democrat run country and see which one sinks first. I think we all know which one that would be.

There isn't a single democrat run state or city that would last a year if it had to depend entirely on its own party affiliated constituents for its cash flow. Without republican tax dollars they would be screwed in no time at all. I say let it happen. Maybe, just maybe then they will finally see the light.

originally posted by: zosimov

I do, however see an alarming amping up of emotions and a widening chasm between nearly everyone (men-women, old-young, Dems-Repubs), and having studied enough history I know that we're by no means exempt from reaching the boiling point and devolving into all-out war.

Yugoslavians were also divided by an outside force. The country fell under the pressure.

I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.

I have posted a number of times about how the friend/foe AI and search algorithms basically drive people farther and farther left or right, so ya there is a lot involved here as to why people seem to be father from a more moderate level whether slightly left or right.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: zosimov

I do, however see an alarming amping up of emotions and a widening chasm between nearly everyone (men-women, old-young, Dems-Repubs), and having studied enough history I know that we're by no means exempt from reaching the boiling point and devolving into all-out war.

Yugoslavians were also divided by an outside force. The country fell under the pressure.

I hope I'm wrong in my assessment.

I have posted a number of times about how the friend/foe AI and search algorithms basically drive people farther and farther left or right, so ya there is a lot involved here as to why people seem to be father from a more moderate level whether slightly left or right.

Interesting--I've only now begun to open my eyes in AI's role. If you have any links (either to your posts or to some good info on the subject), I'd definitely read them.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: TzarChasm

I don't know if I would assert confirmation from the overwhelming masses. I know a heck of a lot of people who would cut ties with all dem run states and never look back. People like me have always said things like, if dems want open borders so much let them keep whoever crosses in their state. Let their taxes support them. Let their hospitals care for them. Let their schools try to teach every class in multiple languages in the same time it takes to teach one class in one language. Let them raise entire generations of children with a fraction of an education and see how productive they are in the real world. If they want higher taxes, let them be the ones who pay them.

I, and many many people like me, have no problem with succession. Mainly because we definitely come out on top by a huge margin. Republican run states are typically so much better off than democrat run states its not even close. Lets split and form a republican run country and a democrat run country and see which one sinks first. I think we all know which one that would be.

There isn't a single democrat run state or city that would last a year if it had to depend entirely on its own party affiliated constituents for its cash flow. Without republican tax dollars they would be screwed in no time at all. I say let it happen. Maybe, just maybe then they will finally see the light.

Humoring your "let's split the house & kids" scenario, how long do you think we could be civilized neighbors before a war breaks out & one nation can't resist attacking the other for supremacy? Only half the country won't satisfy you forever, that's a lie to buy peace for a couple decades before the people get restless yet again

a reply to: TzarChasm

While I appreciate your perspective, I have to disagree. Speaking for myself, I would be perfectly happy with half of this nation because that would mean one whole conservative nation. Our side would have no need nor reason to attack the dems. It would be much more rewarding to just sit back and watch them destroy themselves and wait until they come begging for scraps from our table.

Think about it. If dems stick to their typical agenda, they will flood themselves with illegal aliens who all have their hand out and pay no income tax. Dems would give a significant portion of their assets to foreign nations because that is how they pretend to be superior. They would promptly legislate themselves into a corner and look for someone, anyone, to blame. When it all falls apart they will do nothing more than cry about the sickly failing nation "they inherited".

Meanwhile, in conservative land, we will be farming real crops, not gmo poison. We will be raising real beef, not hormone injected mutants. We will be using our own oil and telling russia and the middle east to suck rope. We will know what bathroom to use, men will not compete against women in sporting events unless the women agree, we will teach history the way it actually happened, we will take anything related to sexual identity or religion out of the classroom and let parents and their children sort that out on their own. If you want to pray go ahead, its allowed in this country. If you don't want to, don't. You don't have to in this country. If someone else praying offends you - you are in the wrong place. GTFO and, have a nice day.

a reply to: zosimov

Thank you zos, I appreciate those words as well as awesome people like you

Should what you say happen, I would also hope that that right person recognizes most of what I have posted is just preliminary basics. Very little of it actually touches on my work. Yes, thats as frustrating as it sounds (lol), but it is what it is.

I still believe my biggest mistake was not starting out by acquiring substantial resources (currency, property, etc.). I turned down opportunities out of somewhat naive principles. I didnt anticipate the health issues, and they changed everything. Might be an important lesson for someone out there..

originally posted by: zosimov
I think it’s clear by now that if we truly want unity, we’re going to have to take it into our own hands.

I doubt it's going to happen.

a reply to: zosimov

Sorry I cannot agree to this, to passively lie down and die and be forced into a gender transition with che guevara tattooed on my chest with Obama tattooed on my ass... I can't do this.

Brotherly love is a lie, romulus and remus, cain and able, to be the better and passive one like a cow in a field you are no better than being an animal of prey to democrats.

Sorry there will be no love on my part for seditious traitors betraying their own nation and constitution.

a reply to: zosimov
You confuse cries for unity with demands for compliance.
No worries, most do.