If We Want Unity, It's Up To Us To Bring It

a reply to: zosimov
I believe He put the number at 490 times, I may be wrong.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: zosimov

People need to get off the internet, go take a walk, maybe go to a party and talk to some real life people because I think the anonymity factor of being online disassociates posters from recognizing they probably have more in common with who they are speaking with than not in common.

This becomes really evident when breaking out of politics and commenting on another thread. In other threads you’ll find the same two people who have gone back and forth, insulting each other’s intelligence as if there’s going to be a winner, in political thread, but when they start discussing aliens or flat earth or ancient civilizations, they’re agreeable and having a perfectly normal conversation.

I’m sure you, AM, can relate, but sometimes it’s hard not to want to go off on either side because when you’re standing on the outside looking in, it’s practically equal craziness from each side and they’re both so damn adamant about making ENTIRELY about their opposing side, regardless of how sh*tty their own side is. Look how interupt42’s thread went last week, asking people to hold their own side accountable, it turned into “Well the Democrat liberal socialist communist....”, and then the never-Trumpers coming in to defend their people. The exact thing the thread was about was displayed brilliantly throughout.

But yes, people need to get off the f*ckin’ internet. Hours of reading all the nasty sh*t coming out of DC is only going to drive you up the wall and make you angry. I’m not saying ignore it, I’m saying don’t let it be your main focus in life. I was doing good staying away from politics when I got home from work/weekends, but the election nuked that and I need to get back on that schedule.

What is clear to me now is just how much crap Trump was keeping the elites from forcing on us. If you can’t see now why they hated him so much you are just plain blind.

originally posted by: Drucifer
Look how interupt42’s thread went last week, asking people to hold their own side accountable, it turned into “Well the Democrat liberal socialist communist....”, and then the never-Trumpers coming in to defend their people. The exact thing the thread was about was displayed brilliantly throughout.

It went as well as my thread where I voted for Zazzarazz and many people were too stupid, who couldn't be bothered to read the entire Original Post and thought I was voting for Hillary.

They're too stuck in reeeeeee mode.

a reply to: zosimov

Heroes to Worship, Villains to Destroy. We must evolve out of this paradigm. Maybe 10% of humans have, the rest are still derping apes fighting for resources.

5 Reasons To Screw Unity











The Dems cheated 80 million Americans out of their vote so they do not deserve ~ nor should they get ~ Unity.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: LSU2018

Well I am a Christian so I strive for sanctification and don't give up.

But even non Christians must see the usefullness in finding the common ground over a civil war, .... right?

I, too, am a Christian. We can't sit here and continue to take hit after hit after hit while continuing to be the adults in the room. I refuse to sit here and let my country become lost and risk my church being shot up. Is it not enough already when we're having to put two armed men of the church in the foyer to make sure an armed man doesn't walk through and start killing our families? I agree with the call for unity but the other side is vehemently blocking and denying all attempts. Enough is enough.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
Careful, sounds like you could be "inciting" people to break Covid quarantine rules.

I am.

Reported.

I appreciate everyone taking the time out to comment on the subject of unity!

It's a very good start, if you ask me
I also appreciate hearing from all of the perspectives.

a reply to: justdust

Nope you're right! (7 times 70) Though I am sure that just means as many times as it takes

originally posted by: BoxerBrawler
Unity only works when majority work to create unity. It can't be a pocket here and a pocket there. Where we go one we go all type of mentality is needed. Unfortunately as long as the majority continue to be keyboard warriors instead of taking real action, it'll never happen. Every one individual wants unity but not one individual can do it by him or herself. Sure, one person can make changes and hope for it to trickle along but at this point we don't need a trickle, we need a dam break.

I really think it's still worth the effort. Personally, I'm still going to make it a mission to try (and for anyone else interested, the video I posted is a good starting place regarding how to meaningfully connect and reconcile with others).
You're right--would be much better en masse, but I'm sure many from all sides are too stuck on the grudge to bother.

I'll never dismiss the power of the small good things.

Thanks for reading/commenting!

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: zosimov

How do you compromise with people whose entire ideology is rooted in the idea of no compromise?

I have no issues coming to the right on certain things. I’m still searching for that mythical Republican who will move to the left on issues.

How do you compromise with people whose entire ideology is rooted in the idea of no compromise?

I have no issues coming to the left on certain things. I’m still searching for that mythical democrat/liberal who will move to the right on issues.


and that is the problem in a nutshell. the left keeps moving farther and farther left. which makes even those who have not moved appear further and further to the right.

and face reality, people on the right have been compromising for decades. but the more they compromise, the more the left wants. the old saying about giving an inch and taking a mile fits perfectly. and it has gone so far now that people have to stop and say NO MORE. in fact at this point it is no longer enough to stop it,it needs to be rolled back. and the whole hate and division from the left over the last 12 years or more only makes the situation far worse.

I just watched The Social Dilemma, and I couldn't recommend it enough.

We are being divided on multiple fronts, increasingly complex algorithms which profit more over our heightened emotions, whatever they be.

Don't fall for the divide, friends!

Compassion, kindness, understanding are not the easy route, but all who do will find reward.

And to anyone complaining that unity is impossible because the Democrats this or the Republicans that, I'd advise you follow the link (or in the very least read) my OP regarding the reunification of Rwanda. If people whose families were slaughtered were able to find peace with their enemies, we can too.

originally posted by: Serdgiam

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: AutomateThis1
I used the word unity deliberatly but now see it was a mistake

Discourse nowadays is absolutely filled with linguistic landmines. Intentionally, imo, but thats neither here nor there. Makes things tricky since some of the most important concepts already have defined narratives.

Id say one of the greatest shows of unity in history is the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

It doesnt mean agreement on literally everything.. Its about identifying core principles that apply universally and then figuring out specifics as we go.

I believe modern technology enables us to now examine how we might go about that same foundational process, but with aspects like food, energy, and manufacturing. Rather than any specifics though, I think most time, focus, energy, and resources are poured into either corporate-political ideological purity or a return to an illusory rose-tinted (recent) past.

Hi Serdgiam, hope you're having a good one
Great response, and I particulary love the bolded part.
I think I used the word "unity" because we could all recognize it as a catchphrase used by people with the intentions of doing anything but.
That if we want peace, WE have to bring it into our own lives.

I'm sorry for the belicose who can't get past perceived grievances, but for all the others, it's not too late!

originally posted by: zosimov
And to anyone complaining that unity is impossible because the Democrats this or the Republicans that, I'd advise you follow the link (or in the very least read) my OP regarding the reunification of Rwanda. If people whose families were slaughtered were able to find peace with their enemies, we can too.

Rwanda - Wonder where that went off the rails ..... Susan Rice Was a Diplomatic Disaster

There is reason to be skeptical. The former New York Times correspondent Howard French, who covered West and Central Africa, noted that Rice seems to have taken the view that the best U.S. policy was to “look the other way” as Rwanda and Uganda went to war. Rice later consulted for Kagame’s government when she was out of office, and gave him diplomatic cover when she was at the United Nations.

“After delaying for weeks the publication of a United Nations report denouncing Rwanda’s support for the [Rwandan-backed rebel group] M23 and opposing any direct references to Rwanda in United Nations statements and resolutions on the crisis,” The Times’s Helene Cooper wrote in 2012, “Ms. Rice intervened to water down a Security Council resolution that strongly condemned the M23 for widespread rape, summary executions and recruitment of child soldiers.”

Bonus link

How can you have Unity when Leaders look the other way ?

Sounds like the Hippie movement lol

True unity among people means accepting them for who they are. There is nothing from the left that indicates they are willing to accept anything other than blind absolute allegiance to their agenda. The DHS has just issued a domestic terrorism alert identifying conservatives, based entirely on their political views, as the violent extremists targeted by the bulletin.

So yeah, lets all hug and sing cumbaya on the way to the reprogramming camps so we can be brainwashed drones just like the democrats.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

You don't have to watch the video (though I'd recommend it to anyone. It's very powerful and judging from the comments here, not what people expect to see), you could read the quotes I pulled from the discussion and see if any spark your interest. They're out of context, but I picked those comments in particular because they kind of stand alone.

originally posted by: MetalThunder


How can you have Unity when Leaders look the other way ?

Easy, go talk to your neighbor! Even though they are our "leaders," we don't have to follow.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

No, let's unite against our would be enemies so we don't drag anyone off to the camps after all.