Biden Pushing Discrimination

a reply to: ketsuko

We have:

1) The Ideal
2) The Marketing
3) The Legislation
-----a) The Social Momentum
4) The Real World Results

As that list progresses, it gets further from The Ideal. However, The Marketing keeps perception control in check by blaming any negative consequences on those who dissented from any stage of the manipulation process.

In this case, we have The Ideal of "equality." An ideal that the vast majority agree upon at this stage of societal evolution. However, the real world results from the social momentum and legislation yield inequality (objectively).

I would even argue that the only factors that truly matter are The Ideal and The Real World Results. Particularly in a scenario when the intermediate stages have been hijacked for manipulation for decades.

Its all designed to create perpetual mechanisms of profit & control with all ideals, from "equality" & "environmentalism" to "covid."

Folks have been convinced that the corporate-political narrative is *The* solution, despite existing solely to perpetuate the very issues they claim to solve. Itd be like convincing people that the best way to not be punched in the face is to punch themselves. And, anyone who isnt punching themselves in their face is the reason people are still getting punched. Its the concept of "the beatings will continue until morale improves" turned into a quasi-religious edict.

A Technocracy, or "rule by expert," is probably the most effective system to propagate this paradigm. This removes "Real World Results" almost entirely, eschewing them in favor of an ever-shifting narrative of what "should be" rather than "what is."

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, and now read the actual text. It clearly says the priority is getting the groups mentioned EQUAL access to the resources they need.

That means the same as other groups of people, not instead of.

Your eagerness to distort a very clear sentence says an awful lot about you.

Some people are more equal than others

originally posted by: network dude
But regardless of how much government cheese is handed out, wouldn't you agree that giving priority to someone based on their melanin content or inability to piss while standing is counter to what we as a nation are supposed to be?

Of course I agree just like I think if the cheese is being handed out disproportionality to one group or another it shouldn't.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
But regardless of how much government cheese is handed out, wouldn't you agree that giving priority to someone based on their melanin content or inability to piss while standing is counter to what we as a nation are supposed to be?

Of course I agree just like I think if the cheese is being handed out disproportionality to one group or another it shouldn't.

which is the point of this thread. Your initial post doesn't reflect that opinion at all, in fact, it's the polar opposite.

originally posted by: network dude
which is the point of this thread. Your initial post doesn't reflect that opinion at all, in fact, it's the polar opposite.

No, I disagree, to me it's vics fighting over who gets in line for the cheese first instead of saying, '**** this cheese, and **** even handing it out at all, open the ****ing economy back up!'. But sometimes my satire is not 110% clear like I think it is when I type it. I'll take the blame.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
But regardless of how much government cheese is handed out, wouldn't you agree that giving priority to someone based on their melanin content or inability to piss while standing is counter to what we as a nation are supposed to be?

Of course I agree just like I think if the cheese is being handed out disproportionality to one group or another it shouldn't.

You agree you disagree, that's what happens when you constantly talk out of both sides of your mouth.

originally posted by: Muninn
You agree you disagree, that's what happens when you constantly talk out of both sides of your mouth.

It seems you are very confused about what we are discussing. But thanks for interjecting.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In the case of restaurants. Locally owned small, one of a kind types. Like you and your mom had. If you were still in the restaurant business today, (face it, you probably wouldn't be due to the shut downs) would you be as adamant about the same government that forced you to shut down, be responsible for the damage it did to your dream? Again, I'm not in that boat, I kept working. But I know quite a few of the cool places I could go aren't places anymore. And I don't consider Olive Garden to be in the same universe as an authentic small Italian restaurant with a little old lady making her special marinara. But those are the one's who survived this.

Again, I agree we should have never shut down to begin with. But they never asked you nor I.

originally posted by: network dude
In the case of restaurants. Locally owned small, one of a kind types. Like you and your mom had. If you were still in the restaurant business today, (face it, you probably wouldn't be due to the shut downs) would you be as adamant about the same government that forced you to shut down, be responsible for the damage it did to your dream?

This isn't the State of New Jersey handing out this loot, this is the Federal Government. It's not the cut and dry. Murphy shut our state down but someone else is picking up the tab?

If we still had the places I think we'd have gotten by, we did a crap ton of catering, delivery via services and take out so the ones who would have suffered would have been the front of the house team, they'd likely almost all would have gotten laid off.

a reply to: network dude

Your feelings and mine line up on this.

Small businesses that got ruined because the government forced them to close and kept them out of business deserve to be made whole. This is one time I think the government has a responsibility to fix what it broke no matter who you are.

What disgusts me is the implication that the only people getting their lives fixed are certain ones and therefore the government has more obligation to fix this for the victimier victims.

So far, I don't know anyone who has gotten their life fixed who lost it because of this, and I know of lots of others who are hurting.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We both feel that it was wrong for this to happen in the first place. But it did happen. And a whole lot of businesses didn't make it. They were killed off by the government.

And whatever aid the government offers to make restitution to those who they damaged, should be equally applied, or none at all, and let the individuals just sue for damages. (then the $ will get into big numbers)

Like a wrongful death suit. OJ was innocent of the murder, but still found guilty of wrongful death and had to pay restitution. There isn't a good way to spin this, but what Biden said is completely the wrong way, full stop.

I hope your roof is snow free.

originally posted by: network dude
And whatever aid the government offers to make restitution to those who they damaged, should be equally applied, or none at all, and let the individuals just sue for damages. (then the $ will get into big numbers)

See, but it isn't restitution, it's an IOU from citizens to themselves and/or other citizens.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
This is great news!

More division and hatred....

Exactly what USA needs.......tick .... tick......tick....

Just waiting on the BOOM....


a reply to: ketsuko

................When it actually says the intention is to remove the division.

Don't bother reading the article, clearly you think you already had before you posted.

So, you'd support the appointment of an independent committee with evidentiary / subpoena power to figure out why there was division, even in light of the 14th amendment and Civil Rights Act, right?

I mean, if POC were not fairly represented among those small business owners who received aid, the Federal Government (who disbursed said aid) should be held accountable for the blatant racism and violation of the law and constitution... Right?

And given the state of affairs in the United States, hiring a lawyer pro-bono to get this moving, should be quite easy - They'd have to be lining up. Given that you seem to believe that there was no equality in the disbursement of aid, you must have no issue backing that up with facts and evidence... Correct?

Care to share?

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: ketsuko

In short, if your business is failing or struggling, don't be white, don't be male, if you want aid. The government may have destroyed you, but it's only going to fix that if you're the *right* category because, you know, justice or something.

That isn’t what it means and you know it.

Wrong:

PRIORITY: pri·or·i·ty
/prīˈôrədē/

noun
-the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important.
"group A takes priority over any other groups"
Similar:
prime concern
first concern
most important consideration
most pressing matter
matter of greatest importance
primary issue
precedence
greater importance
preference
precedency
preeminence
first/highest place
predominance
primacy
the lead
weighting
weight
weightage
a thing that is regarded as more important than another.
plural noun: priorities
" reading comprehension, thinking and reason aren't high on leftists ' list of priorities"

BRITISH
- the right to take precedence or to proceed before others
"priority is given to those with democrat affiliation press"

P.S. Read a book, think - you should try these sometime...

Merely mentioning the word "prioritize" followed by groups of people is racist in-and-of-itself. No different than prioritizing bus seats for white people 60 years ago.
Two things about this article stand out to me that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

1) How will any government entity even know what race any business owner is in order to hand out money? It's against Federal and ALL State law to ask for that and demand an answer.

2) I wonder how White Democrat business owners are taking this....assuming there are any because most liberals seem to not work and live at home with their boomer parents.

a reply to: QUANTUMGR4V17Y

Personally, yes, I'd support what it takes to ensure people have access to what they are entitled to, rather than as the OP suggest poor white males will automatically miss out which is the whole point of this thread if you had actually read it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
And whatever aid the government offers to make restitution to those who they damaged, should be equally applied, or none at all, and let the individuals just sue for damages. (then the $ will get into big numbers)

See, but it isn't restitution, it's an IOU from citizens to themselves and/or other citizens.

how far can it go? if you were locked down for 4 months and unable to go to your job, should you man up and not accept any "'government cheese" due to pride, or political feelings? I know a young guy with a family who feels like that. He wouldn't file for unemployment when he was layed off due to Covid. I was able to hire him and give him some stability, but I'm sure he isn't alone in how he thinks. And due to no fault of his own, he could have been ruined before he even had a chance to make it.

My point is, it's not as black and white as it seems. The only real solution is to have no government over-reach. And that doesn't seem to be an option, much less so after this election.

originally posted by: network dude
how far can it go? if you were locked down for 4 months and unable to go to your job, should you man up and not accept any "'government cheese" due to pride, or political feelings? I know a young guy with a family who feels like that. He wouldn't file for unemployment when he was layed off due to Covid. I was able to hire him and give him some stability, but I'm sure he isn't alone in how he thinks. And due to no fault of his own, he could have been ruined before he even had a chance to make it.

My point is, it's not as black and white as it seems. The only real solution is to have no government over-reach. And that doesn't seem to be an option, much less so after this election.

Yeah, well welcome to full on socialism then. Just like we have corporate bailouts any time an industry makes a series of poor decisions we can now have government handouts any time someone farts too loud. Might as well give everyone $20K, or $200K or $2MM at this point, it's just money...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
how far can it go? if you were locked down for 4 months and unable to go to your job, should you man up and not accept any "'government cheese" due to pride, or political feelings? I know a young guy with a family who feels like that. He wouldn't file for unemployment when he was layed off due to Covid. I was able to hire him and give him some stability, but I'm sure he isn't alone in how he thinks. And due to no fault of his own, he could have been ruined before he even had a chance to make it.

My point is, it's not as black and white as it seems. The only real solution is to have no government over-reach. And that doesn't seem to be an option, much less so after this election.

Might as well give everyone $20K, or $200K or $2MM at this point, it's just money...

Don't worry, UBI is coming....

originally posted by: FauxMulder
Don't worry, UBI is coming....

That's kind of my point, we're arguing now about how people might be getting cheated on their place in the line for the cheese but the fact that people are doing that makes it so much easier to say 'how bout some regularly scheduled cheese for doin nuttin'?