The Mark of the COVID

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

Your view is short-sighted.

Nostradamus correctly predicted the date his grave would be opened... it was on a plate hung around his neck. He also predicted the one who opened it would die... and he did, from a stray gunshot while at the grave. I seriously doubt there was any self-fulfillment fantasies going on there, unless you believe the person who opened his grave was bent on suicide and a student of Nostradamus' prophecies and clairvoyant enough to read the plate through six feet of dirt.

What you claim is only reasonably possible in some cases, certainly not in all. Jean Dixon warned of 911 before it happened, but no one would listen... perhaps you think the terrorists flying the planes chose that date because Jean Dixon predicted it?

As far as that goes, Nostradamus also predicted that a great disaster would be foretold by "the petulent one." That quatrain seems to tie into 911 well. So the terrorists attacked because of a prediction by Jean Dixon, who made the prediction based on Nostradamus? Really?

And yes, I know.... Nostradamus is notorious for couching his predictions so vaguely that they are typically only recognized as a prediction after the event comes to pass. That's why I consider his quatrains as more of a curiosity than predictive... they're simply too hard to pin down. So you can save yourself the trouble of making that claim.

White Feather, the Hopi elder who correctly prophesied about many things that have come to pass already since his words were first made public... are you claiming that America only laid down railroads, highways, and erected power transmission lines across the nation so the words of an old Hopi elder would come to pass? Did we start our new Space Force, which will lead to a nuclear powered space station in the near future that fails, over his words?

Natural disasters... how can they be the result of someone attempting to fulfill a prophesy?

Really, believe as you will, but realize that your belief is not applicable to many of the fulfilled prophesies of our time. Deny ignorance. Don't embrace it.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

The Nostradamus predictions you mention, along with others of his, are urban myths. He is often misquoted, or even outright made up, because he is a guaranteed attention grabber and money maker. Clickbait if you will.

Warning of a terrorist attack isn't prophecy. That is a very reasonable, and competent risk assessment to make based upon the previous actions and intentions of terrorists. It was inevitable, and it will happen again and again.

Natural disasters are extremely common. There are multiple earthquakes, tsunamis, landslides, hurricanes and other disasters every year. It is just how things are on planet Earth.

I have read conflicting stories on the Hopi prophecies. One says that in 1948 they attempted to address the UN, but were unsuccessful until 1992. Another a pastor published what he was told in an alleged meeting in 1963. As the Hopi did not write them down and only passed them on orally, and were not given to outsiders until a long time after many of the events you listed came to pass, how can we be certain they are genuine? Again, this goes back to my original ego argument. The Hopi want to believe they are the centre of the universe. As does every religious group on the planet, they all want to believe they are special to their god(s) and serving a divine purpose.

I do not embrace ignorance.

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

The Nostradamus predictions you mention, along with others of his, are urban myths. He is often misquoted, or even outright made up, because he is a guaranteed attention grabber and money maker.

Yes, that happens a lot. However, a serious student of prophesy will be able to find his quatrains easily enough and interpret them or consider another's interpretation for themselves. It is those who have no knowledge of prophesy who fall for the clickbait and false rumors.

But none of that explains the times he has, in hindsight, been eerily accurate. I consider Nostradamus a prophet with little use other than curiosity, as his quatrains are so randomized and contain so many double meanings that they are useless when it comes to predictions. Still, I consider his predictions accurate in hindsight.

Ironically, it was people who disbelieved in prophesy who were the cause for his predictions to be so jumbled and meaningless before the fact. He purposely couched them in vague language and randomized their sequence to avoid being persecuted for being a heretic.

Warning of a terrorist attack isn't prophecy. That is a very reasonable, and competent risk assessment to make based upon the previous actions and intentions of terrorists. It was inevitable, and it will happen again and again.

Les Prophéties was first published in 1555... long before anyone had ever heard of "terrorists" and long before a city at the location he specified even existed... or the country (continent!) was even conceived of by most. The new World was only discovered (by Europeans) a scant 63 years earlier, and colonization had not even begun in earnest.

Natural disasters are extremely common. There are multiple earthquakes, tsunamis, landslides, hurricanes and other disasters every year. It is just how things are on planet Earth.

There are multiple small events. Life-changing disasters (like Fukushima) happen very rarely.

I have read conflicting stories on the Hopi prophecies.

And there be the heart of the problem: you base your opinion on the opinions of others.

White Feather was picked up and given a ride by David Young in the summer of 1958, during which time he recounted the ancient Hopi prophesies. They were first published publicly in 1963. The predictions, however, are from much, much earlier, passed down by Hopi elders from generation to generation. When they were brought to the attention of the UN I have no idea, nor do I care. The UN is not a prophetic body; their only contribution to society is corruption and chaos.

The Hopi want to believe they are the centre of the universe.

Holding to past beliefs and legend does not make one "the center of the universe." All people speak from their own personal experiences, including you and I. That is an aspect of humanity, not an aspect of religion.

You embrace ignorance fully when you attempt to demonize a people simply because you do not want their prophesies to come to pass. That, sir, is the very definition of embracing ignorance.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: FinallyAwake

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: FinallyAwake

My question is regarding the mark of the beast. I'm sure you'll agree there is no way everyone is going to specifically have the numbers 666 put anywhere on their bodies, RFID chips or some sort of tattoo? maybe yes, but the actual numbers 666? I'm confident that will be a no.

Let me answer your question with a question:

If you go to a store and buy a can of green beans, there is a barcode on it that is scanned at checkout. That barcode is not the price or the brand or anything like that... it is an assigned number that correlates to a computer database entry for those green beans. That database is where all the information comes from; the barcode is just a unique number.

Do you have any idea what the number of the barcode is? Or is it just a bunch of lines to you?

TheRedneck

The barcode is the Universal Product Code -

Universal Product Code The Universal Product Code is a barcode symbology that is widely used in the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries for tracking trade items in stores. UPC consists of 12 numeric digits that are uniquely assigned to each trade item.Wikipedia

The UPC is the legally accepted coding that your product is actually registered under. I believe it is assigned to product types, not individual units.

You may also have an SKU, Stock Keeping Unit, associated with a product. An SKU is an arbitrary alpha-numeric code assigned by a store or warehouse to identify and track a product unit in their catalog.

Then you will have model numbers and other product codes assigned by manufacturers.

I had to find out about all this when I worked at a warehouse because like most jobs you take, they consider such information to be need-to-know. But it was an important distinction between all the codes to find a product on the shelves for shipping and restocking.

I can see a UPC type identifier being used to help identify a person, but I imagine we will be assigned other codes like an SKU to zero right in on an individual.

Thanks for this 👍🏼

With regards to the mark of the beast being 666, is it possible to add this specific number (or any number with the same 3 digits) to every bar code of a product and it still scans OK?

No, it won't. That's because each UPC code as a "check digit" that is numerically related to the numbers in the code. If the numbers are scanned incorrectly, there are 9 out of 10 chances that the check digit will catch it and reject the code. Adding numbers to the code would destroy this pattern. Also, UPC codes scan left to right or right to left.

The UPC system would not work well to track individuals. It's designed for products, so every can of green beans from S&W has the same UPC code. However, the Codabar system used by libraries works well because your library card barcode number is unique. If yer interested, read on, otherwise skip.

First, "Patron" (people) barcodes start with the numeral "2" Books (items) start with the numeral "3" Commands to the computer start with the numeral "1" So let's take a typical patron barcode: 2 9068 00075060 8. "9068" is the institution code, so this identifies Podunk Public Library. "00075060" is the number assigned to a person, in this case number 75,060 in the series. The "8" is a check digit numerically related to 2906800075060. I can explain how that check digit works, but I'm guessing this is TMI already. Altogether that means you have a unique number. With 8 places, there's enough room for 100 million people: 00000000 to 99,999,999. Zero counts, so that's 100 million. And with 4 digits for the library code, that's 0000-9999, or 10,000 library systems. Plenty of room for everyone.

I once received a very eruditely written letter from a patron who asked very politely to be taken out of the database because he did not want this unique number to be associated with his name because it was clearly "the mark of the beast." I complied, of course.

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

YOu forget there is, was, and will be the choice: God or no God. If you choose no God on your own, then you get what you wish for, but that choice leads to absence of God. Whatever God creates and leads to perfection again will not be full of beings who reject Him; that would not be perfection, would it?

The choice is yours.

You may not like that, but there it is. Choose Him or be rejected.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: TheRedneck
The vaccine will protect you from getting ill and then ending up hospitalized.

Maybe... maybe not. Probably not... ok, definitely not.

But it's possible that you could still carry the virus and be contagious to others.

Many things are within the realm of possibility. But it is certainly about as far from scientific fact as you can get.

Why getting a COVID-19 vaccine doesn't mean you should stop mask-wearing - ABC7 San Francisco
abc7news.com...

Ok, great, so no real reason to take the vaccine, and... since the CDC has said repeatedly that wearing masks - like they are being worn and/or mandated - are basically useless when it comes to both catching or stopping the spread, then we can stop wearing them too.

Thanks!

a reply to: TheRedneck

No have you read the article. Its already implemented in China.

They've blocked travel to millions of people based on their "trustworthyness".

"26.82 million air tickets as well as 5.96 million high-speed rail tickets had been denied to people who were deemed "untrustworthy (失信)" (on a blacklist)"


You don't think it can happen here? Its not gonna happen all of a sudden but likely fast enough.

Like I said, first they ban cash and go to digital currency.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I don't know about that one or a few things she says but I don't discredit all of it. I know these things from other sources.

a reply to: nOraKat

I never said it can't happen here... of course it can. As you say, the prerequisites are already in place. I said I don't think it will happen here, at least not to any great extent in the near future.

Remember the videodisk player? It used a needle, similar to a phonograph (record player), extremely tiny, on special disks that contained movies. I still have mine, complete with a selection of movie disks and spare needles. It worked pretty well! I keep it for a historical curiosity; most of my movies I own are on computer file or DVD in high definition. Most people have never heard of it, though. Why? Because it was obsolete almost from the time it was invented.

The sequence of events I laid out in the OP, like the videotape machines that replaced the videodisk, provide more of what TPTB desire than China's social scoring network. There's no need for someone to monitor every person's social media accounts, look for Internet aliases, eavesdrop, or any of that. It's much easier to monitor people's behavior if one lets others (retail outlets) do the heavy lifting.

Think of it... with an RFID chip implanted, every movement one makes, every purchase one makes, can be easily tracked via networked computers. There's no way to hide; one can live just fine without social networking (I do... I never use my FB account and I don't have an account on Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, or any of the other networks), but try to live without some sort of supplies... you won't last very long. Even a mini-farm with a power generator is going to need parts, some food items, tools, fuel... it is literally impossible to live any kind of life without some interaction with the retail industry. So this will cover more people, and will require less effort on the part of government to maintain. The retail establishments read when you check out, what you bought, when you bought it, and the banks will collate that data. Both will simply send their files to the government agency, possibly in near real time, and a bank of computers run by a precious few government employees will handle picking out troublemakers.

There is also less chance of an uprising. In the USA, unlike China, there is still a lot of free trade that goes on. Just look at Craigslist sometimes (not the social section if you have a weak stomach). I recently bought a small tractor off it... no one knew anything about it. The guy needed to sell it, I wanted to buy it, we made contact through information on Craigslist (not even through the site itself), I gave him green paper, and he gave me the tractor. Gun shows... You show up, pay the cover charge, and buy whatever you want. I have watched people pick up a gun, negotiate a price, hand over cash, and walk out armed... most vendors do a background check, but exceptions do happen, and they're legal. All laws have loopholes.

China has none of that. China is a communist dictatorship. every transaction is controlled by the government already, since the government already owns the vast bulk of industry and controls the rest with an iron fist. It's easy to establish a "social credit" scheme in such a country, but the USA is not like that (yet). The government here does control the media and much of the retail industry, but that control is loosely implemented.

In China the government has to maintain a watch on everyone in the country, whether they're talking about what they had for breakfast or discussing an assassination plot or anything in between. One gets the same end results using either method, but one method is almost impossible to avoid, easier to manage, and provides more exact data. Someone can say they had sausage for breakfast on Twitter despite having eggs, but if one has access to all transactions and can see they haven't bought sausage in two years but buy eggs every week, one can safely call them a liar.

There are also prophetic reasons why I don't think the social credit system will extend far beyond the reach of China, reasons I will not elaborate on at this time. Maybe a few of their close trading partners, like Australia, the Phillipines, etc., maybe even Japan, but not the USA and not even the bulk of Europe. Thanks to their own creation, China's process is already becoming obsolete before the bugs could be ironed out.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck
Did you watch the Catherine Austin Fitts video?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

No, I haven't.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Soulece
Calling it the Chinese Virus is racist.

its not the same as the Spanish Flu and the Spanish Flu is not called the Spanish Flu because it originated there. Just FYI.

Ya old white people.

*am white

What is your point? Your second last line could be construed as racism given you enveloped so many. At best you are a poor teacher of history. At worst, something more.

a reply to: BiffTannen

Actually, in his vernacular he is quite accurate. He said:

Calling it the Chinese Virus is racist.

You and I read that and think he means that calling the Chinese virus the Chinese virus is somehow prejudicial and degrading towards Chinese people; that is the definition of "racist" that we understand. However, a growing segment of the population has re-defined the term so what he actually meant was:

Calling it the Chinese Virus is something I don't like and I can't explain or debate why I feel that way logically.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: BiffTannen

originally posted by: Soulece
Calling it the Chinese Virus is racist.

its not the same as the Spanish Flu and the Spanish Flu is not called the Spanish Flu because it originated there. Just FYI.

Ya old white people.

*am white

What is your point? Your second last line could be construed as racism given you enveloped so many. At best you are a poor teacher of history. At worst, something more.

As a white person myself, I have noticed those with your mindset and those who scream the covid think is fake, call it the chinese virus, or scream wearing a mask is a violation of their freedoms are in the vast majority old and white.

Its stereotypical at this point.

Most likely to be Trumpers as well.

a reply to: Soulece

As a white person myself,

Would you explain why your skin color matters?

I have noticed those with your mindset

You just defined prejudice.

and those who scream the covid think is fake,

I haven't heard anyone seriously saying the Chinese virus is fake... overblown, yes... politically weaponized, yes... mishandled, yes... but not fake. It exists. It is a lower respiratory infection which ranges from asymptomatic to fatal, the latter most notably in those with weakened immunity or lung issues. It is actually quite similar to the common cold with two notable exceptions: in some cases the body has a lot of trouble producing antibodies to fight off the disease and can therefore over-react. This causes a cytokine storm in the lungs that can lead to serious cases of pneumonia. The other notable exception is that during replication in the lungs, it produces a protein that can disassociate the iron in one's hemoglobin, rendering the red blood cells useless for oxygen transport, which in turn creates sudden, acute anemia that can damage organs and be fatal. This last exception is rare, but the improper use of ventilator settings can assist with forcing the proteins into the blood supply if the lungs are already damaged.

call it the chinese virus,

Where was the first documented viral outbreak?

Answer: Wuhan, China.

Now how does calling a virus that originated in China the "Chinese virus" equate to racism in the traditional definition? What basic human rights are being denied to a Chinese person due to their ethnicity by stating the fact that the virus started in China? Are they denied housing? Education? Freedom of movement? Does it somehow indicate they are less than human?

I let your first quip slide, believing that you were invoking the "modern" definition of racism as I outlined above. But if you are going to start slinging around a word that you are demonstrating quite well in your own postings, it is time to call you on it.

or scream wearing a mask is a violation of their freedoms

The forced wearing of a face mask is a violation of freedoms, as well as likely being responsible for increased viral infection in those who catch it. In other words, a person who catches the Chinese virus is more likely to be hospitalized if they wear a mask regularly as one who catches it and does not wear a mask regularly. There are also people, like me, who are unable to wear a face mask for medical reasons. Requiring them to harm their own health is certainly a violation of their rights, and not requiring them to wear a mask makes the whole concept of masks in public moot (not that they do much good anyway).

are in the vast majority old and white.

You just defined what the rest of us consider racism. That is the most racist statement I have seen in this thread. You just prejudged and disparaged a group of people over skin color.

Its stereotypical at this point.

And most stereotypes are racist.

Most likely to be Trumpers as well.

And more disparagement. This is not the Political Mud Pit forum; please do not treat it as such. The conversation in this forum is to be conducted as per ATS standards, which means logical, reasoned, civil debate. Your racism has no place here. Please cease and desist such unwanted drivel.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I know you arent a terrible person, or even a bad person, but you need to break out of calling it the chinese virus. Trump said it because he is a bigot and wanted to throw shame on the Chinese. Not wuhan, the chinese. He singled that out. Why not wuhan? Because he is a bigot. Should we call the spanish the American flu? That's where it originated.

Y'all's way of thinking... It's a hive mind. I can tell you what you believe in just by going off your name, isnt that weird? Old people share a lot of similarities when it comes to the things going on in todays political world. You clearly wont accept that calling it the chinese virus is racist and if you were anyone outside of this hive mind thats going around, you would say it was.

Its called coronavirus or covid19. Not the chinese virus.

Take care.

a reply to: Soulece

First of all, it is apparent that you do not know the definition of "bigot." It would behoove you to either learn the definition of words you do not know or to stop using them. Your choice, but continuing to parrot talking heads on TV in direct opposition to reality is not making you look intelligent.

You have made more bigoted comments in a handful of posts on one thread on an Internet forum than the President made in four years of constant scrutiny.

Second of all, you have not responded to why or how calling this virus the "Chinese virus" is disparaging or bigoted in any way toward someone who is Chinese. Indeed, you have succeeded in showing how such is not disparaging; do you know people who consider the Spanish people less than human because a disease known as the "Spanish Flu" exists? I certainly do not.

Its called coronavirus or covid19. Not the chinese virus.

"Coronavirus" is a classification of virus, not any particular virus. It is called coronavirus due to it's shape, which is roughly spherical with multiple protrusions extending from it ("corona" is an old word for "crown," referring to those multiple extensions which resemble a crown in the mind of the scientists who first classified coronaviruses). There is nothing else unique about a coronavirus. It is quite likely that you have had several coronaviruses in your lifetime; the common cold can be caused by a coronavirus (along with a rhinovirus; both are classified as "colds" in the vernacular). "Covid19" is a shortening of the scientific name, used to exactly designate a COronVIRus Disease first classified in 2019... it actually refers to the syndrome caused by the virus in humans and not the virus itself. The actual scientific name also is SARS-2 (Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome). I am not yet convinced that it is a direct mutation of the original SARS virus; it may be, or it may simply also fit in the broad classification of a rapid-onset of respiratory difficulties.

Proudly butchering scientific terms does not make one appear "scientific."

What I choose to call this disease in the vernacular is my own business. I could also call it the "WuFlu" (which I did for a long time) or the "Kung Flu" (which I have also used, and which admittedly does have a somewhat bigoted connotation, connecting a well-known form of martial art developed by the Chinese to the virus). I chose "Chinese Flu" here because I was attempting to keep this thread more civil. I do not use a classification to refer to a specific virus any more than I would would use "doped, ion-implanted silicon wafer" to refer to a specific integrated circuit. I do not use SARS-2 because it seems to be potentially somewhat inaccurate depending on whether or not this virus was a direct mutation of SARS.

But... you can have the last word on this subject. I authored a thread to show a continually-advancing agenda which I believe will lead to some pretty serious social consequences. The virus itself is irrelevant; the vaccine is irrelevant; where and how it occurred is irrelevant to this thread. You see, I grew up with actual racism and trying to debate with someone who cheapens that through wanton ignorance makes me feel dirty. I have spent my life attempting to overcome that environment and not to judge others based on skin color; it is deeply disheartening to see someone in today's supposedly "enlightened" society who still places so much value on the amount of melatonin one might have been born with.

I will continue to call this damn disease whatever I damn well choose.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Ah, I see you brought up Spanish Flu. I was going to hit Lyme disease which absolutely no one thinks makes one bigoted against people from Lyme, CT, when you mention it.

It is and always was more or less tradition to name a disease after its recognized point of origin or the person who describes it, even if it later turns out that wasn't actually where it came from. So even though most realize Spanish Flu now broke out in Kansas, it became recognizes and publicized in the press in Spain; hence Spanish Flu.

a reply to: ketsuko

Actually, Soulece brought it up. I just reminded him/her.

But you make a good point. Thanks.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Hellas
"Now for the reason for the thread.

Today, while picking up groceries for the week, I spoke to one of the store minor managers I know well. He was of course wearing his employer-mandated mask. He said he was going to be happy to get rid of it and because of that he was ready to take the vaccine. It seems that particular grocery store (maybe the whole chain?) has already decided to forego the mask requirement for employment if they accept the vaccination.

That is the fourth listed step above. The first three have already come to pass.

TheRedneck"
they already do a relative got the shot and was told to carry the card wherever he goes