Actual Evidence for Claims of Election Issues (fraud, vote switching, etc.)

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originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: Gryphon66

All those court cases were dismissed without any review of evidence presented...

That's a claim. Now give us some evidence that backs up your claim. Just choose one case to review, bring us the facts, and backup. That's the purpose of the thread.

My contention is that the evidence was provided at the time of the filling, and that evidence is weighed as decided by the judges in question in whose courtrooms these hearings would have proceeded, and they did not find sufficient reason to continue. Also, in many cases the relief sought in the case was not possible. Also, I've discovered that only a very small portion of the affidavits were certified and included with the cases, the great majority of the affidavits claimed have never been seen in court.

U.S. Dept of Justice gives itself a pat on the back for a "job well done" from 2017 thru 2020.

See first 4 posts at: twitter.com...

As the author points out, there are a few things missing...including turning a blind eye to obvious election fraud.

originally posted by: carewemust
U.S. Dept of Justice gives itself a pat on the back for a "job well done" from 2017 thru 2020.

See first 4 posts at: twitter.com...

As the author points out, there are a few things missing...including turning a blind eye to obvious election fraud.

I'm assuming you've copied and pasted this across several threads.

Please, show us specific examples of obvious election fraud that you're contending the DOJ has ignored.

originally posted by: Firewater
Statistical evidence does exist. In fact, there's a whole lot of it.

So, post some specific statistical evidence that convinces you with back up and we can discuss it?

I'm not getting why that's so difficult. That's what this discussion is intended for. Let's get all the proof out and parse through it right here at ATS.

originally posted by: ras321
I think the reason Bill Barr wouldn't investigate is he knows that the majority of voter fraud will be found on the republican side. Take Kentucky as an example.
www.dcreport.org...

In Kentucky's 2020 election:
-Forty percent of the state’s counties carry more voters on their rolls than voting-age citizens.
-There were wide, unexplained discrepancies between the vote counts for presidential candidates and down-ballot candidates.
-McConnell racked up huge vote leads in traditionally Democratic strongholds, including counties that he had never before carried.
-20% of voters voted for both Mcgrath and Trump yet Mitch won 57.8% of the vote
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In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath’s votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County.

McConnell’s results were even more out of whack in two other nearby Appalachian counties. In his six previous Senate elections, Elliott and Wolfe counties had never voted for McConnell. Even up to last year, Elliott County remained reliably Democratic in non-presidential races, voting for the party’s entire Democratic slate in both the 2015 and 2019 statewide elections. Yet in 2020, McConnell won 64% of the votes in Wolfe County and 66% of the votes in Elliott County. McGrath only got 21% of registered Democrats in Wolfe and 20% in Elliott.

The link also has evidence of the ES&S machines being more questionable then dominion's Like Trump already knew what he did with ES&S machines but he flipped it into look at dominion.

a reply to: Bunch

No fraud happened during this election. Those are absolutely accurate numbers. There was no "flipping", McGrath wasn't a good candidate and she got trounced. End of story.

a reply to: Gryphon66

So ... you don't trust the Allied audit...

Not by itself. Building a case isn't about one piece of evidence. It's about corroborating evidence.

...but it's still enough to discount the votes in all of Michigan...

Your words, not mine. If this piece of evidence can be confirmed, as well as other evidence, then we take the next step.

and think they should be investigated?

Yes.

See ... that's where I just don't follow many of these arguments. How does that make sense? If you don't trust the audit (and I can state I have many issues with it) why would that suggest the need for such extensive further investigation?

I said I don't trust it as a standalone, by itself. In any criminal investigation, corroborating evidence is key. You don't get that supporting evidence without further investigation. How does that not make sense?

From your article, I found an interesting fact ... the Trump Campaign had the opportunity to ask for a recount in Michigan but didn't do so. Why? Because the campaign would have had to pay for it out of pocket.

Recounts are ineffective without also doing an audit. I would have declined as well.

Anything specific that gets brought up is insignificant on its own...

Again, your words. If the forensic analysis was insignificant, I wouldn't have mentioned it. It is very significant, but it needs replication and supporting evidence, just as ANY single piece of evidence does. It's how the legal system is supposed to work.

a reply to: MetalThunder

Thank you, you may want to cite your source for the copy and paste.

So it seems to me that you've got several claims you can stake for discussion from your post:

1. Who is J. Kirk Wiebe and how does he have expert knowledge of the matter?

2. What "massive tampering via computer" is the video referring to? Break that down for us.

3. CIA's use of the Hammer and Scorecard programs

4. Sorry state of Dominion's voting systems security, etc.

I'll give it a go.

Mr. Wiebe is a former NSA agent who retired in 2001.

I listened to the video, and here are some notable quotes I transcribed.

"The problem here is that we have this "event' the Election, and we don't have first hand knowledge of what went on."

"Computer fraud is very difficult to find after the fact. They are not leaving us enough breadcrumbs, and so we need an element of luck."

"A computer has a lot of files on it, and in the operating system. Windows needs updates that don't always happen."

"The real culprits are not Democrats or Republicans but are the Secretaries of State and the various State legislatures that have not properly funded upgrades to the elections systems."

"Hammer and Scorecard were developed for use by the military to influence elections in the Middle East during the War on Terror."

"I spoke to a friend of mine who is running Hammer on his server ..."

He seems like a kind old man. He's offering a lot of general statements about what could have happened. Not what did.

Another federal judge who is either lazy, or blackmailed, or corrupt.

Case shot down just 15 hours after submission.

mobile.twitter.com...

originally posted by: Le93baron
hereistheevidence.com...

Have you actually checked this site out?

It offers a bunch of claims but not much in the way of facts to back up those claims.

I ask again, where is the evidence? The link provided does not have it.

a reply to: Klassified

Sure, I'm generally aware of how an argument is built. Investigations look for evidence, and then based on that evidence, a scenario is constructed that explains it all. What some folks are doing however, is piecing together bits and pieces that don't have any relationship to each other UNLESS you're working backward from your conclusion.

Let's talk about the audit you'd like to see, since I'm putting words into your mouth, not my intention, but I see. What kind of audit do you want in Michigan, who would administer it? How about Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin ... anywhere else?

How about the several States Trump won that use Dominion systems? Are you interested in looking at those?

How far back do we need to go. Apparently these very same issues have been a part of every modern election since 2000. Shall we go back and invalidate 2016 as well? Why only 2020?

originally posted by: carewemust
Another federal judge who is either lazy, or blackmailed, or corrupt.

Case shot down just 15 hours after submission.

mobile.twitter.com...

I'm just spitballin' here, but I assume that the judge is lazy, blackmailed or corrupt because they didn't find for the Trump, et. al. group?

How do you know that the judge is lazy, etc.? What evidence do you have, again, this thread is not about exposition or blind links ... it's about dealing with the evidence we have.

From your link ... here is the judge's order dismissing the case. Judge's Dismissing Order

It's a 20-page decision that addresses each of Lin Wood's claims in detail, explains the legal precedents behind each and dismisses the case because Wood misfiled much of the case.

Read it if you haven't. I'll be glad to discuss the parts you find from the judge's statement that demonstrate your claims of laziness, etc.

originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: Le93baron
hereistheevidence.com...

Have you actually checked this site out?

It offers a bunch of claims but not much in the way of facts to back up those claims.

I ask again, where is the evidence? The link provided does not have it.

It's basically a wiki. I'm still interested in it though. Could be interesting resource-wise as we move forward.

www.mlive.com...

originally posted by: mikell
www.mlive.com...

"Censor Incorporated" !!

Get even at all costs and Damn the Constitution !!

In general, as I approach this topic, what I have found, and, what I'm finding in responses thus far, is that most folks have taken the media reports that they prefer (Newsmax, OANN, various citizen journalists, etc.) and have constructed an overwhelming narrative based not on details they have examined, but on hearsay.

However, it's not fair, as many of you have stated, to dismiss your concerns based on that fact. It also doesn't really matter that the election results have been certified, Electoral College met, etc. etc. That's a fact, but it doesn't matter in regard to these questions that have been raised. We can't change the course of history, but we can, perhaps, help each other understand some of what's going on.

That's what this thread is about. Examination of the evidence. Again, please limit links to Twitter, videos, and websites just gesturing to "here it is."

That's not what we're looking for here, we are looking for DETAILS that are substantiated and verified. I appreciate everyone who wants to participate on those terms.

originally posted by: mikell
www.mlive.com...

Please use the title of articles that you link regarding the topic please.

Michigan attorney general says sanctions could be pursued against Trump lawyers - Michigan Live

Lawyers for President Donald Trump accused of misrepresenting facts in court may face professional sanctions in the future, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said this week.

I would expect that everyone who is interested in seeing justice done here would want to see attorney's that have provided false information in court be sanctioned ... right?

Here's a new hot potato .....

Needs debunking and/or deflection 🦃

Evidence of Foreign Influence in 2020 Election: Nevada Secretary of State Caught Sending Voter Data List to Pakistani Firm Linked to Spy Agency ISI

Catherine Engelbrecht is the Founder and President of True The Vote the nation’s largest voters’ rights group.

The organization for over ten years now has been on the front lines of election fraud prevention by building action-oriented election integrity movements in key states, counties, and precincts. ‘True the Vote’ does not advocate for particular parties or candidates only for fair elections at all levels.

In November True the Vote wrote the Nevada Secretary of State for the eligible voter list report.

When the Secretary of State responded True the Vote was shocked to see that [email protected] was cc’ed.

a reply to: carewemust

Or the judge looked at it and found reason to dismiss it. Why wouldn't Trump release evidence to the public and let the public discuss if there apoears to be so much corrupt judges...