Actual Evidence for Claims of Election Issues (fraud, vote switching, etc.)

a reply to: Klassified

Okay, thanks. that's a specific claim then.

Let's clean up your link a bit: 9and10news.com -- Analysis of Antrim County Ballot Machines Made Public

So what you're referencing here is the audit from Allied Security Operations Group which was provided to a plantiff named Bill Baily in Antrim County Michigan.

Here's a link to the audit from Allied Security Operations Group

Your article summarizes the salient claims in the Allied audit, which have to do with a claim that the computer systems con connect to the internet, that there were numerous error codes generated in the error code list, etc. The audit claims that these issues (internet connectivity, program error log, etc.) means that these results in Antrim county are suspect, and that further, since other counties in Michigan used Dominion systems, all of the votes for Michigan are in question.

Okay. It seems to me that the Allied audit makes claims that there are issues with the Antrim County election specifically and then asserts that those issues invalidate the election in Michigan but aside from examples like "the system can connect to the internet" and "there are error codes generated by the system" there's no specific instances of the system being attacked from the internet, and frankly, every data processing system I know of creates an error log.

Here are my questions for you:

Why do you trust the audit from Allied? Have these issues been validated with any other cybersecurity firm?

Let's assume for the moment that their issues are all valid in Antrim County. How does that justify invalidating votes in the whole of Michigan?

a reply to: Gryphon66

How is ballotpedia “non partisan” but commits the 25 forms of bias it states?? Non bias would be non partisan.... only thing I can think of that doesn’t have an “opinion”... is math. And there are LOADS of mathematical evidence that have already been addressed.....

So you ignore math with “opinions”..... and aren’t trolling? Cool

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a reply to: AaarghZombies

That's a great summary statement well-written and cogent.

I wonder if you can pull out some specific examples of what you're talking about ... say pick a State and pull up the actual numbers of polling places, etc. Or find a source that has done an actual analysis based on the actual numbers.

Even if not, your contribution to the thread is appreciated. You're addressing specific issues with reasonable evidence.

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: Gryphon66

How is ballotpedia “non partisan” but commits the 25 forms of bias it states?? Non bias would be non partisan.... only thing I can think of that doesn’t have an “opinion”... is math. And there are LOADS of mathematical evidence that have already been addressed.....

So you ignore math with “opinions”..... and aren’t trolling? Cool

Link to the "25 forms of bias it states" for Ballotpedia and we can discuss it.

The section I linked to on Ballotpedia lists the numerous (around 70) lawsuits that have been brought in regard to the election. Did you look at that? Did you find any errors or biased statements?

I think the reason Bill Barr wouldn't investigate is he knows that the majority of voter fraud will be found on the republican side. Take Kentucky as an example.
www.dcreport.org...

In Kentucky's 2020 election:
-Forty percent of the state’s counties carry more voters on their rolls than voting-age citizens.
-There were wide, unexplained discrepancies between the vote counts for presidential candidates and down-ballot candidates.
-McConnell racked up huge vote leads in traditionally Democratic strongholds, including counties that he had never before carried.
-20% of voters voted for both Mcgrath and Trump yet Mitch won 57.8% of the vote
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In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath’s votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County.

McConnell’s results were even more out of whack in two other nearby Appalachian counties. In his six previous Senate elections, Elliott and Wolfe counties had never voted for McConnell. Even up to last year, Elliott County remained reliably Democratic in non-presidential races, voting for the party’s entire Democratic slate in both the 2015 and 2019 statewide elections. Yet in 2020, McConnell won 64% of the votes in Wolfe County and 66% of the votes in Elliott County. McGrath only got 21% of registered Democrats in Wolfe and 20% in Elliott.

The link also has evidence of the ES&S machines being more questionable then dominion's Like Trump already knew what he did with ES&S machines but he flipped it into look at dominion.




a reply to: Bunch

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
The same people wondering where the evidence is for voter fraud while ignoring the ridiculous amounts of affidavits signed are gonna be the same people wondering why bullets are flying because the country was torn apart.

4 years of a phony Russia collusion investigation that literally stripped people of their rights, livelihoods and bankrupted them in court to prove nothing happened like they claimed. Let’s not investigate obvious election fraud with real people putting their freedom on the line stating they witnessed voter fraud though. I guess that makes sense to any lefty on the site, but it’s also why you aren’t taken serious.

Well, using the "hereistheevidence.com" site suggested earlier, the number of affidavits nationwide are under a thousand.

Here's my issue in general with the affidavits: in each case that was filed (Georgia specifically, Michigan, PA, Wisconsin) a very few "example affadavits" were provided with the cases and were certified.

The only places we've seen the "stacks of affidavits" are in the hands of various Trump attorney's, but those affidavits have not been brought to court to be certified. Why not?

a reply to: Gryphon66
I posted the link in the thread, so you deserve an answer...

Why do you trust the audit from Allied? Have these issues been vailidated with any other cybersecurity firm?

I don't, and neither should you or anyone else. Taken by itself, it is only one piece of evidence that points to the need for further investigation across the state. Of course, Michigan officials wanted to block this report from going public, as well as any further investigation.

Let's assume for the moment that their issues are valid in Antrim County. How does that justify invalidating votes in the whole of Michigan?

Here again, by itself it doesn't, but taken along with other irregularities that should be investigated along with sworn affidavits, there is enough evidence to warrant a full and honest inquiry.

a reply to: ras321

As I understand it, Barr's statement was that US Attorneys and FBI agents had been following up on claims filed regarding election issues and had found no credible evidence any issues found would make a difference in election results.

So, there were investigations by the FBI and DOJ but they didn't find fraud, etc. that would change anything.

I've been so caught up in the Presidential election I hadn't considered other races. The material you're presenting here on Kentucky is very interesting. One of my continuing questions is for those who are so concerned with election security nationwide, why are they only looking in States that Trump lost. Just a curiosity.

Those questions about county registered voters and the election results would make anyone wonder. Let's see if anyone wants to challenge the information. Thanks for a spot-on contribution to the discussion!

a reply to: Gryphon66

All those court cases were dismissed without any review of evidence presented...

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Gryphon66

The evidence is in the mathematics. The numbers don’t make sense. Occoms Razor says fraud is the most likely reason for the statistical anomalies.

No I will not post the numbers, you can find them for yourself. But it appears that many people including yourself lack the mathematical acuity to comprehend them. Because you and many others keep saying no evidence exits.

Just because you can’t comprehend the evidence does not mean the evidence doesn’t exist.

The evidence is not in the mathematics. On the contrary, the stats say nothing to see here.

The illusion of evidence is in the YouTube videos aimed at people who cannot do the math.

We can comprehend the numbers, which is why we say the statistical evidence does not exist.

You can repeat what you've said with extra adjectives and a dash of invective but, without the math, it's just another assertion from someone who heard something that sounded good online.

You don't have to post the numbers. Your methodology will do.

We won't hold our breath.

Statistical evidence does exist. In fact, there's a whole lot of it.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
Props for at least considering possibilities beyond bias, but your scenario is based on the assumption that it takes a large amount of people to pull off massive election fraud, when in reality all it takes is a few well placed people in key positions in each state. You also neglect the thousands of sworn affidavits from people who didn't turn a blind eye to what they saw, but what good is their testimony if no one wants to hear it? Then you can add voting machine manipulation over networks and chain of custody for voter data.

Thanks for a thoughtful post.

In an interview with The New American’s senior editor William F. Jasper, National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower J. Kirk Wiebe discusses the massive tampering done via computer in the 2020 presidential election. He describes and explains the Deep State’s criminal use of the CIA-developed Hammer and Scorecard programs, which many voices in the Fake News echo chamber claim don’t exist. He also discusses the Dominion Voting Systems software and machines used in many states, and the abysmal state of security and integrity of our voting system, a point that many independent studies by nonpartisan experts have been warning about for years. Mr. Wiebe served in the NSA for decades and has been a key sentinel in many major national security crises and challenges. Together with the legendary Dr. William Binney and Ed Loomis, Mr. Wiebe left the NSA when they learned that programs they had helped develop to keep America safe from foreign enemies were being used illegally by the NSA to spy on virtually all Americans. The trio became whistleblowers to alert American elected officials and the American people that the federal alphabet spy agencies are out of control.

a reply to: Klassified

So ... you don't trust the Allied audit, but it's still enough to discount the votes in all of Michigan and think they should be investigated? See ... that's where I just don't follow many of these arguments. How does that make sense? If you don't trust the audit (and I can state I have many issues with it) why would that suggest the need for such extensive further investigation? From your article, I found an interesting fact ... the Trump Campaign had the opportunity to ask for a recount in Michigan but didn't do so. Why? Because the campaign would have had to pay for it out of pocket.

Yeah, I'm seeing that logic a lot in these issues. Anything specific that gets brought up is insignificant on its own, but "taken along with other irregularities" most of which are not considered individually, but are just taken for granted based on consumed media ... that's exactly why I wanted to start this discussion. To take all those individual elements out and look at them and see what we see instead of just knowing that there is a mass of imponderable evidence.

Also, I think we should add here that Dominion systems are certified by the Trump Administration's US Election Assistance Commission ... EAC Dominion Voting Systems which means they have passed a long list of security criteria.

Thanks for your post. Exactly what I was hoping for in the thread.

Your Elections are just a smokescreen for other # they are doing if you find any evidence its because they want you to find it.


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a reply to: MetalThunder

Can you give us a summary of the contents of your video?

What specific argument are you backing up with it?

Having watched the election and the aftermath I’ve come to a couple of conclusions that are just my opinion.

Before I get to those, there are a couple of issues that stick out for me. One was the late night ballot dumps. The other was the Antrim forensic of the Dominion voting machines that actually started as a law suit by and individual about the marijuana law if I remember correctly. Both of these were explained away or debunked.

As for the couple of conclusions:

1.). The election was a fair as it could be and Biden/Harris did win.

OR

2.) The election is fraudulent. Multiple levels of government and media are in on it. All evidence is discounted quickly and media narrative is to discount and stop the idea that the election is fraudulent.

I voted for Trump, however, I have voted for candidates from both major parties.

Something about this election does not seem correct. It could be the constant pressure on Trump from the left since 2016, it could be how the media ignored the Biden family issues before the election, It could be the overnight voting changes, it could be the hype up to the election, it could be the use of a pandemic for political gain.....however, I can’t give you a piece of evidence that has not been debunked, refuted or is thin on substance.