COVID has killed 1 out of 1000 in the US

a reply to: Edumakated

I think the issue is we don't know who was really terminally ill vs who wasn't because the data has gotten really muddy...What we do know though is those that die tend to be pretty far along with co-morbidities.

I think the biggest issues are a complete lack of common sense - the biggest misnomer there is - and people - from both sides - seeking to use statistics to push agendas.

If Covid 19 has played a significant role in a persons death then I think its reasonable to include their death in statistics.
If they have died of something unrelated but just happened to have the virus then they shouldn't.

Surely it isn't that hard a distinction for a medical expert to make?

Something like this pandemic really should be apolitical, unfortunately that is so clearly not the case.

originally posted by: jrod
This figure was crossed today and will continue to go up. COVID will finish the year as the 3rd leading cause of death. Keep in mind, this figure is deaths per total population, not just those infected.

With the vaccine in limited supply and even more limited by it's roll out due to bureaucracy, greed and denialism; we will still have a few more grim months before the vaccination efforts start to show improvement.

The current surge of deaths will likely result with COVID becoming the leading cause of death in December. Currently heat disease is the leading cause of death, claiming about 2300 lives a day in the US. So far this month, we have seen multiple days in excess of 3,000 deaths a day from COVID. Also life expectancy will drop by as much as 3 years as a result of the pandemic.

While hope is around the corner, this is a grim way to end of the year. With news of a vaccine, many may not take the same precautions to prevent transmission, this along with the season may result in even higher COVID rates before the majority can get the vaccine.

www.worldometers.info...

US poised for deadliest year ever as pandemic cuts life expectancy, experts say

edit on 23-12-2020 by jrod because: US Population: ~331 million, US COVID death: 331, 208 (and rising, figure as of time of OP)

As many of stated, this means nothing. When you call all the death that normally occurred every year a COVID death. This is a war of terminology not a plague of death. The same number of people died this year as last year, everything else suddenly became a lot less dangerous and covid filled the void? That’s the world you’re living in... either way seems a lot safer to go outside....
Foolish fear porn that’s just more regurgitating of fake numbers at us. When you can call a gunshot death covid, cancer death covid, heart attack covid, and covid is the one that gets the credit your numbers boil right back to... a normal year with nothing new to talk about.

You need something new as a strategy to scare us, people are paying attention. Is the us population also rising? Why omit that fact right next to stating the covid # are rising. Very misleading of you, tisk tisk. Minus 100 points for hufflepuff

a reply to: Rob808

Again, this is a lie that keeps being repeated. If your theory is true, the total number of deaths in 2020 would not be significantly higher.

So far the estimations are about a 15% increase in total deaths from the previous year, this is the highest increase per year since 1918, which had World War I and the Spanish Flu.

Your theory also does not explain why life expectancy has dropped by almost 3 years.

In short, what you wrote is an opinion void of facts. The information is available but many reject it because it goes against their confirmation bias.

originally posted by: tamusan


If you know how to search and read, it has. There were 400,000 excess deaths in the U.S. for 2020 (not counting December)

Nope... that is true only if they count the deaths twice - once for COVID, and again for the actual cause.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

There is a global pandemic and you don't even realise it, matey.

You are indeed desensitized. Not something to be proud of.

All of my life I've been burdened by an overwhelming amount of empathy so don't try to tell me about my morals.

You Sir, are being manipulated while you're cheerleading your oppressors.

Hopefully you'll realise before it's too late.

ETA: Merry Christmas mate.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: jhn7537
Because everything just has to be an anti Trump thing?

Truth... is.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Breakthestreak

I just got over the virus.

I can tell you it is real and something you do not want to catch.

I guarantee if you had a moderate case of COVID, your outlook would change.

No. I guarantee, It wouldn't.

I've had a severe case of the flu many years ago. It knocked me on my ass for 2 or 3 weeks.

I don't run around fearful of the flu.

originally posted by: jrod
This figure was crossed today and will continue to go up. COVID will finish the year as the 3rd leading cause of death. Keep in mind, this figure is deaths per total population, not just those infected.

With the vaccine in limited supply and even more limited by it's roll out due to bureaucracy, greed and denialism; we will still have a few more grim months before the vaccination efforts start to show improvement.

The current surge of deaths will likely result with COVID becoming the leading cause of death in December. Currently heat disease is the leading cause of death, claiming about 2300 lives a day in the US. So far this month, we have seen multiple days in excess of 3,000 deaths a day from COVID. Also life expectancy will drop by as much as 3 years as a result of the pandemic.

While hope is around the corner, this is a grim way to end of the year. With news of a vaccine, many may not take the same precautions to prevent transmission, this along with the season may result in even higher COVID rates before the majority can get the vaccine.

www.worldometers.info...

US poised for deadliest year ever as pandemic cuts life expectancy, experts say

edit on 23-12-2020 by jrod because: US Population: ~331 million, US COVID death: 331, 208 (and rising, figure as of time of OP)

Are you trying to say that I should fear for my life?!?

That's what it sounds like--pure fear-mongering, the official narrative.

originally posted by: jhn7537

Woah woah woah... They would NEVER inflate the covid numbers to try to make Trump look bad...

No, because Trump's exceptionally adept at doing that himself. And the numbers are bad.

a reply to: Salander

Well, you can't fight fate.

In this instance though, you can keep yourself safer fairly easily:

1. Wear a mask when around others.
2. Avoid large crowds when possible.
3. Try to maintain 6-10 distance from others when possible.
4. Wash your hands regularly and use an alcohol based hand sanitizer when not.

Basic medical safety really. Nothing outragious at all.

originally posted by: tamusan


If you know how to search and read, it has. There were 400,000 excess deaths in the U.S. for 2020 (not counting December)

U.S. on track for deadliest yeara reply to: PurpleFox

Do you search and read just one source? So first we don't know any real numbers yet, but the estimate is about 350k more deaths than 2019. We will not know until Feb. Second, death in general for 2020 is up as per the chart below from NYT with Pneumonia and flu up only 11% out side of the norm.



The other big deal is the age group with the highest increase in deaths is 25 to 44 and I think we can agree that isn't from COVID. So 75% of COVID deaths is in the age group of 70+ and the vast majority were people already dying of other illnesses. Its a very small percentage of people who died to COVID that were not already extremely ill. COVID might have accelerated their deaths by a few months in many cases, so there really isn't that much of a bump for the 70+ age group that died to COVID as they were dying already even being 75% of COVID deaths.

We haven't even looked at the mental illnesses side of all this too.. Maybe that is why the young is having the biggest bump in deaths...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Salander

Well, you can't fight fate.

In this instance though, you can keep yourself safer fairly easily:

1. Wear a mask when around others.
2. Avoid large crowds when possible.
3. Try to maintain 6-10 distance from others when possible.
4. Wash your hands regularly and use an alcohol based hand sanitizer when not.

Basic medical safety really. Nothing outragious at all.

We do all these things, so if this all works then why is it not working?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Salander

Well, you can't fight fate.

In this instance though, you can keep yourself safer fairly easily:

1. Wear a mask when around others.
2. Avoid large crowds when possible.
3. Try to maintain 6-10 distance from others when possible.
4. Wash your hands regularly and use an alcohol based hand sanitizer when not.

Basic medical safety really. Nothing outragious at all.

We do all these things, so if this all works then why is it not working?

These procedures limit the transmission of viruses and bacteria. They are not fool-proof.

Like the many fools I see on a daily basis not adhering to any of these practices.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

I don't run around fearful of the flu.

But if it 'knocked you on the ass for 2 or 3 weeks' many years ago, now that you're older, would you consider a Winter flu jab? Do you think it reasonable for older and immunocompromised people to avoid death by doing so?

Taking measures to avoid spreading a novel virus considerably more lethal than most strains of flu, and for which until recently there was no vaccine, makes sense. By acting immediately, intelligently and decisively, some countries have done so with minimal suffering and economic disruption.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

These procedures limit the transmission of viruses and bacteria. They are not fool-proof.

Like the many fools I see on a daily basis not adhering to any of these practices.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. Seems places with little or no lock down are not much different than high lock down areas, but there are a million of factors involved.

So I recently read how some people want to pass the vaccine to minorities first instead of just saying anyone above the age of 70 gets it first in some virtual signally event. 75% of deaths are in the 70+ age group, but there are too many white people in that group...geez..

The stupid part is if they elect to vaccine younger minorities first because they tend to work in the critical industries then older minorities will not get it just as older white people will not get it and their death numbers will not go down.

A recent study as shown that minorities do not die more from COVID. The reason they spike more is because they do not practice PPE as other groups do and are not isolating, social distancing... I personally see it all the time. I was just in Vegas for 3 days and 90% of the people not wearing masks or wearing them down in case a cop comes by since it is mandated was minorities. Just about everyone is wearing masks outside of the homeless, but some big group of minorities come by and it is just a big packed group with little or no masks many times. Its almost seems economically based as to who follows or not follows the rules.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
These procedures limit the transmission of viruses and bacteria.

Not really...

They are not fool-proof.

No, but they are pushed by fools.

Like the many fools I see on a daily basis not adhering to any of these practices.

You have it backwards. The fools pushing this ridiculous nonsense are the reason our economy is in the toilet, and anyone pushing this nonsense is directly responsible for a large number of deaths.

Too bad you all likely won't be held accountable.

originally posted by: EvilAxis
But if it (the flu) 'knocked you on the ass for 2 or 3 weeks' many years ago, now that you're older, would you consider a Winter flu jab?

No way, I prefer simply boosting my natural immunity. Has worked well since I learned how.'

Do you think it reasonable for older and immunocompromised people to avoid death by doing so?

False premise. Taking the flu jab does not prevent death.

What I think is reasonable is for everyone (not just those at high risk) to take responsibility for their own health.

Taking measures to avoid spreading a novel virus considerably more lethal than most strains of flu,
Sorry, this false claim is getting tired. It is false.

and for which until recently there was no vaccine,

The jury is obviously still way, way out on that one, dontcha think?

By acting immediately, intelligently and decisively, some countries have done so with minimal suffering and economic disruption.

More false claims. There is plenty of evidence that these insane lockdowns not only didn't help, they hurt.

a reply to: tanstaafl

It's all about you, isn't it?

Some posters on here are just plain unpleasant and make the whole experience of comng on here diststastful and a negative vibe.

Still, Happy Christmas to you.

Please be more tolerant of others opinions in future cos you come over as a total nasty negative person.

Putting it mildly.

Happy new year.

Interesting thing..

If the statistical manipulation that supports things are horrible and people are dying in droves were true, then odds of a number of deaths on my base should be high. (assuming comorbidity isnt a thing)

We are well north of 100 cases since the start (small base) zero covid deaths, not even the old lunch lady that was the first case on the base.

*shrugs* medical is not my thing but it seems if just covid was killing people I should be seeing deaths on the base I am at, but we are not.

Two our of the 5 sqaudrons here have been shut down at various times since it kicked off, and while some folks have had bad symptoms again zero deaths.

I fully expect once we are past it (mutations take it down to normal flu issue levels) we will be "surprised" that the vast majority of dead had a serious health issue as well.

a reply to: jrod


injuryfacts.nsc.org...
by the looks of it, you're more likely to die from many other things before dying OF*/With* Covid


1 in 3000 is nothing out of this work.... it sounds like a lot..but there are also 331,000,000 American Citizens in this in the USA. that roughly equals 100,000 American deaths a year from Covid/with*Covid.

CDC says Leading Causes of Death...
Heart disease: 655,381
Cancer: 599,274
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 167,127
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 159,486
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 147,810
Alzheimer’s disease: 122,019
www.cdc.gov...

do me a favor and tell Covid to get to the back of the line. I still have to worry about having a heart attack from the burger I just had, cancer from the diet coke i drank to wash it down, the accident I got in on the way to pick up the burger, COPD from waiting in line and breathing exhaust, don't forget the stroke I had from sitting in a long ass line..... and then the al's......what was I saying? OH YEAH, no cutsies! no backsies!