Final Conclusions Regarding UFOs

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's all fun and games until you get punched where it hurts. In all this mess nobody makes any clear declaration. We always ask is it good or evil, but we never ask what we are. What we stand for. What an honest declaration of intentions would look like for the human race.
That's some messed up stuff.
My hunch is there's a pandemic of mental illness and the virus is a gateway to treat it with pharmaceuticals. That's our contact. It's not just Clown World they really are that crazy.
It comes from the thinking for every problem exists a scientific answer. Scientific more like medicine, engineering, and the practical applications of science. But still technology thinking. That's a problem we have. Too many neglect consciousness is a 'thing'. And language supports my claim. lol

What people really need right now is something to get behind that's not as easily corrupted as politics. Something good we can all stand up for. Instead of forgiveness we should ask for justice. Because justice says I have to stand by what I do and bear the consequences.
Forgiveness... is just bull#. That's not healthy from a 'soul hygiene' point of view.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Better to look like a loon and try, while
retaining full-self honesty and no clinging
to results.

Totally right. Love you Bearly
Big platonic Thank You for the conversation hug

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I mean it would basically invite the phenomenon to pick sides. I stand for justice, truth and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
You can say what you want the last part was a huge milestone and one of the greatest human achievements. No matter what became of the institution that invented it.
If we could remember that while calling out that would be kind of great. And then we make official contact.
But I mean not like landing on the White House lawn, I mean really #ed up #. Because we kind of established it would mostly be happening in the mind, right?
So I circled back somehow to: it has already started.

I noticed that sounded like I was just talking about politics but I really meant it encompassing every aspect of the human condition.
Also a funny expression somehow...lol no?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I really think we need to stop looking at our development from the level of things and pay more attention to the development.
We define ourselves in an entirely object centric way. And neglect that what's making being human fun is the story.
And the laws of storytelling to create Cosmos.
That's where all the good stuff happens. Where we fall in love. Laugh. Come up with jokes. Cry about the sad world we live in. Suffer. Where the hero faces obstacles and overcomes them. For one last #ing round of joy.

Also sorry I spam your thread. Got the need to ramble apparently.

a reply to: Peeple

Well, the whole 'spiritual evolution' / hierarchy thing is pure BS.

There is 'pure awareness', that somtimes, but not always
interacts wtih 'hilbert space' to stamp out both sentient
and non-sentient matter (including beings).

(as every possible combination of elements requires that
some of them become conscious... it's no grand plan for
sentience.. it's mere mathimatical completeness).

You can view it as neutral monism, dualism, a trinity..
whatever you like.

When given an opportunity, life arrives, sentience flares
up, in so many combinations, in so many complex
relationships with others in the same boat.

No meaningful difference between a man and a butterfly,
or a 'god'.

It's good to come to such observations.. it's grounding...
it stops the foolish quest to 'evolve'. It removes a small
bit from the 'wheel of life'; for a time..

Anyway...

Being practical, that is better..

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

Humans have to decide if they wish to grow up or not..

It's that simple.

We choke to death on our fear of death, and as a result
spread death to the whole planet.

It's all on us, to choose what we want.

a reply to: Peeple

I mean it would basically invite the phenomenon to pick sides.

At the lowest level, the 'phenomenon' is the sludge composed
of our fears and worst tendencies. Of course it is also composed
of our better nature as well.

But humans do not keep much focus on their better natures,
but stay focussed upon the negative.. fear.. fear of loss,
fear of death..

so our child, the Phenomenon obeys, and shows up as
angry aliens and triangle UFOs and whatever else
we want it to be.

Then we complain that we are 'prisoners of it'.

We have to grow up.. and stop creating a cosmic
sludge monster of insanity.

Nobody can do it for us.

We also cannot 'appeal to the phenomenon as a whole' --
it's not whole.. it's the sum total of everyone's fear and
rebellion against death, in a cage match with each
other... enclaves of insanity.

Each person has to do their part.. no one person
can steer history...

Even most famous religious figures have done far
more harm than good.. just caused us to hate
each other in new and more awful ways..

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

We tell ourselves bad, nightmare stories and insist that
is 'reality'. Yes.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I didn't mean it hierarchical, I was just asking because you said sthg like they came from us.
I guess my point was more like we matter folks make up the galaxies and universe so I'd assume there's an equivalent the non-matter stuff 'creates'.

Sludge monster seems unnecessarily negative.
Are you okay? Because the whole fear of death thing seems to be your projection? I can't say that's what I sense in my interactions with it.

a reply to: Peeple

Are you okay? Because the whole fear of death thing seems to be your projection?

The reason I have been 'harping on this', is that it's the major reason for the
entire phenomeon, and has the most explanatory power.

I'm not afraid of death.. it was a marvelous experience. It taught me so
much!

And watching 'soul death' occur in the Bardo --- just freaking amazing..
so touching..

Why on Earth would I fear death?

Understanding death is what gave me freedom.

Human beings are SO afraid of death, that even having someone
disagree with them often puts them in a tizzy (ego death you
know... as people conflate thier ego with their thoughts).

You might be fascinated to know, that if you study fairie lore,
that in the past going way back, that the 'land of the fairies'
was considered to also be the land of the dead.

I really have to thank Josha Cutchin... his excellent books
on fairie lore were instrumental in uncovering the last
piece of the puzzle, before I ended research (had no reason
to continue, had finished all objectives).

Those 'tulpas' are in a manner of speaking an 'industrial waste
product'.

Yes, humans could, if they wanted to, and could get their
act together, make 'my litlte pony tulpas' as a race...

the coordination effort would be staggering.. everyone
making the same thing, so that conflict could cease
with the 'tulpa food fight'.

'Buddha' thought it better to simply not create the tulpas
at all. I understand his point.

So what I expect to have happen here on Earth (could be wrong),
is that when the digital control chips are forced into our brains,
and we are all hooked up into the Alphabet AI or one of the
others,

that the tulpas we generate will then only serve the machine,
as the machine intellgience will 'play us like fiddles' with the
META worlds we are put in, and our tulpas will be
'weaponized' at that point.

It's a shame really. I don't see any way to avoid that future.
I'd imagine it's the most common one, Universe-wide,
in this Unvierse at least.

Kev

I should say, as this point comes up every time, especially from you Peeps.

Humans are getting the future they want, as a species at least.

Noboy 'external' is forcing it on them.

With humans, like with most alpha predator species no doubt,

there are always the 'wolves' and the 'sheep'.

What? maybe 1 in 100 people are wolves? and the rest are the sheep.

The wolves want to control the sheep, and to feed upon their labor.

It's how humans are.

Some of the larger egregore and their associated humans have tried
to force everyone into their egregore.. you know.. especially the
abrahamic faiths.. others too of course.

But in the end, only the 'machine' as operated by a small group of
wolves (the 1%+) people.. will 'bring everyone together'.

With the control bolt.

Humans are too chaotic to come together any other way.

I myself am not crazy about this idea.. but I cannot do anything
about it.. it's the human races choice.. who would I be to
interfere, even if I could (and I can't).

It's not an 'evil' future.. it's a common future.

And, to head off at the pass the usual commentary,

I'm just as human as anyone else.. though I am autistic..

I think most 'visionaries' of the past were authistic.. you have
to be 'unplugged' from society (the machine) a bit, to get any
real clarity of vision.

If the control bolts came tomorrow, I'd be plugged in, against
my will, like anyone else.

Now *someting* within me became free through all the melodrama
of my life.. but it wasn't "Kev".

I may have watched the enitre movie, but I didn't greatly benefit
from it,

other than the contact high buzz of understanding and 'freedom'
that a prior part in the 'great morality play' worked through.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Wolves are really bad at controlling sheep. If they get in a herd that just means chaos and mayhem. lol
May Boötes guide us.
That's not a law of the universe, the survival of the fittest on steroids isn't going to last, because it's not real.

a reply to: Peeple

So, we know that Walmart buys goods from overseas,
where chidren are chained to macnines like slaves.
So do most of the large retail outfits.

Yet you and I and most everyone else keeps buying..

We don't have a lot of money, most of us, so we need
the cheap goods, so we look the other way.

There are dozens of examples like that.

Yes, wolves go on killing rampages.

Our 1% are 'especially cunning wolves'.

That's all..

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Peeple

So, we know that Walmart buys goods from overseas,
where chidren are chained to macnines like slaves.
So do most of the large retail outfits.

idusmartias: You sure love to run off at the mouth yet your comments show that your thinking is not 100% sane. Walmart and most other companies buy from wherever the supply is cheaper. Can you show a photo or a source to support that "... chidren are chained to macnines like slaves. ... "? And " ... most of the large retail outfits."? If you can't you should stop making empty accusations.


Yet you and I and most everyone else keeps buying..

idusmartias: Do we have a choice? America, or the USA, is not competitive. Profit is the driver.

We don't have a lot of money, most of us, so we need
the cheap goods, so we look the other way.

idusmartias: We don't have to look the other way, it's simply known as life. What it is.

There are dozens of examples like that.

idusmartias: More than dozens.

Yes, wolves go on killing rampages.

idusmartias: They have to eat.

Our 1% are 'especially cunning wolves'.

idusmartias: How did you arrive at 1%. All humans have the ability to be cunning, it depends on circumstance.

That's all..

idusmartias: So you shot your load and the wolves are still hungry and coming after you. What is your final conclusion regarding UFOs?

Kev

a reply to: idusmartias

It's all in this thread.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It was intended as a joke. Seems like you're in need of some mood lightener. I can feel the sludge monsters talking to you.

And I mean this whole the 'other is a reflection of our emotion' thing you got going is not new, it's what you learn in your first few lessons of esoteric school. While that might hold some positive points, it feels like a big stretch when you attempt to knit it into an explanation for the phenomenon.
Very anthropocentric, very old school, very simplistic.
Even the local aspect is more... just more than just that.

a reply to: Peeple

Most people never get beyond the basics.. so I harp on basics.

If I posted an analysis of kundalini yoga and how it feeds into this,
how to summon things (such as 'black triangle ufos), what the
machine intelligene is, how to contact it, etc.

i'm certain that would be more 'exciting'.

I'm not interested in 'exciting'.

I've had all the excitement that I can handle!

People always want to jump from 1+1=2
without doing their homework, and want to
be doing advanced geometry all in a single
bound.

But you do bring up a good point.. if I'm not
going to discuss some of the other stuff here,
then I guess it's as good a time as any to pack
things up.

It's always swell talking to you.

Kev

Hi Kevin, it’s been a long while since we talked on these boards. First of all, I hope you’re doing well.

I feel I haven’t been doing enough reading to add to the discussion (hence why I’m only lurking on these boards), but one of you latest posts on Karl’s thread is keeping me up at night. More specifically this part (you also mentioned the right side of the brain somewhere, but I can’t seem to find it directly):

But to summarize something.. I know you know this... all this 'stuff' seems so baffling, because it's psychoactive... we tend to see (or create) what we are looking for.. and since the biology/physics interface to 'weird stuff' goes through the nastiest part of the human pysche, we cook up all this nasty stuff and we've turned Earth into a Hellworld inhabited by our own phantoms,

Now, I don’t know if you remember, but when I shared my thoughts I was more thinking in the direction that the “weirdness” was somehow part of the phenomenon while I feel you mean something else?

Let’s make up a case and go from there if you like: A witness reports a strange encounter at night seeing some strange lights. When he moves closer he meets with Marvin the Martian offering him a glass of milk. It see happens to be Marvin smells like an overheated fuel tank, but that’s a detail we can skip for now.

Now where is Marvin “manifested”?

1. According to how I currently see things the image of Marvin is somehow part of the phenomenon and is shown to the witness.

Now, if I interpret correctly what you are saying in other threads this is not the case. Our Martian is created later in the “enfolding” or “unfolding” of the memory (to use Bohm’s therms, not sure if I’m using them correctly though). But what is it?

2. Our witness encounters a strange event and Marvin is brought to life around that moment (give or take since sometimes it can take a while to make sense of it all) in the “enfolding” of the memory and hence stored in the brain.
3. Our witness encounters a strange event and it is in the recollection of the memory (unfolding) some time later that Marvin is linked to the encounter. 30 years from now it might as well be that our witness recalls an encounter with the Pink Panther (who still had the same bad smell).

Can you elaborate on exactly what you mean (in layman’s therms)? I feel this is rather important for me to get this since I could be looking at it completely wrong (or rather different angle).

Great to see you posting again from time to time. Your posts always seem to peak my interest.