The mask narrative breaks down due to TDS

a reply to: TheRedneck
You forgot something.
You ever researched how long a surgeon is in the OR ?
They have someone to prep and open up first.
They come in, do what they have to and leave .
Then others prep and close up .
I once heard , at a MAJOR hospital , it was an average of 10 - 15 minutes.

So I noticed 2 more mask threads popping up overnight, which people are replying to, but ignoring the one with actual data points.

Look at the charts at the link in OP.

Mask mandates have not created a sudden or even a 10-14-day delayed downturn.

Anyone have any data points that day otherwise?

a reply to: Gothmog

Well, I was going off my experiences... I believe my surgeon was there for a couple hours. Of course, my operation was a little more complicated than normal too...

I am not going to doubt an average of 10-15 minutes.

TheRedneck

a reply to: SuperStudChuck

I'll say what I said in the other thread;

Masks prevent droplets from spraying.
Masks lower O2 saturation levels in the human body.
Masks are symbols of obedience.

a reply to: SuperStudChuck

This again for about the millionth time, a mask helps reduce the chances of the wearer spreading the infection if they are infected, thats it. People are now politicising this for nefarious reasons. It's not a miracle cure, it's to reduce not stop the spread.
Nature.

Mask wearing

Why wearing a mask shouldn't be controversial

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: SuperStudChuck

This again for about the millionth time, a mask helps reduce the chances of the wearer spreading the infection if they are infected, thats it. People are now politicising this for nefarious reasons. It's not a miracle cure, it's to reduce not stop the spread.
Nature.

Mask wearing

Why wearing a mask shouldn't be controversial

The stats presented in OP say otherwise.

There was no redirection in case numbers in any of the locations. Tell me which location in OP.

If it only helps reduce, and we are to assume anyone can have it, explain how shopping at Target is safe for anyone. If it helps reduce, explain why NFL does not mandate for players on the field who are not social distancing.


From your Nature article:

“Among the samples collected without a face mask, we found that the majority of participants with influenza virus and coronavirus infection did not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols...”

Most People aren’t shedding Covid. Shedding is a made-up bogeyman.

If you are immuno-compromised feel free to wear one. It might be a good decision. We should not restrict the healthy people and make them live like sick people.

Would you choose to be in the same room as Trump right now if he were wearing a mask? Than why would you choose to go super spreader Costco with people improperly wearing masks?

I wear a mask so I don’t have to fight with my wife.😷🤧

a reply to: SuperStudChuck

I had said that the masks were going to assist in crimes. Well, I had my first bit of validation on that. Went to a client who had a theft. Reviewed my camera footage, got 4mp video of the bad guy, all angles, all different lighting, super crisp shots. he wore a mask the whole time, and looks like random brown man. No way to identify him other than his clothing, and skin color. So at least the masks are working for some folks.

a reply to: SuperStudChuck

coronavirus face masks reduce risk of transmission infection study says.

Wearing face masks lowers the risk of infection or transmission to 3% compared to 17% when you don’t have anything on your face. That’s a risk reduction of more than 80%.

The Lancet

We did a systematic review and meta-analysis to investigate the optimum distance for avoiding person-to-person virus transmission and to assess the use of face masks and eye protection to prevent transmission of viruses. We obtained data for SARS-CoV-2 and the betacoronaviruses that cause severe acute respiratory syndrome, and Middle East respiratory syndrome from 21 standard WHO-specific and COVID-19-specific sources.

If it only helps reduce, and we are to assume anyone can have it, explain how shopping at Target is safe for anyone.

By wearing a mask, if you're infected you are reducing the chance of infecting others, making it safer not safe. There will still be a chance of being infected but it's reduced.

a reply to: Kurokage

The problem is, your articles are not proven in the real
World.

Miami-Dade has had the tightest mask mandates in the state for the longest amount of time. They also have had among the worst RATES of infection.

Maybe in theory these articles are correct. In reality, masks show no change in the upward or downward trend of cases.

Please comment on my article in OP which is more current data than your articles.

I'm not even sure how to debate this topic when covid is surrounded by so much bs.
Lying media.
Bunk pcr tests creating false positives.
Bunk death data.

You don't need to lie about this stuff when a virus is real.

President Trump says there's no need for most people to be afraid of covid-19.

twitter.com...

I agree. Those who are, can continue to stay at home, since masks apparently will not protect you from this mild bug.

I find it interesting that people come in, say masks don’t stop the spread, just reduce it, present some half-baked studies from 3 months ago that go against numerous “out of date” studies from 12+ months ago, fail to even comment on the source provided that shows no matter what may be true in a lab, masks don’t work in the real world, and leave without defending their point.

Your talking points mean nothing. Literally. Hawaii mask mandates are super strict and their cases rose significantly after mandates.

I am not making the argument that masks make it worse here (though I believe they might), I am making the argument that infection rates would be basically the same, based off of real world data, not lab studies that do not consider how normal people actually live in the real world.

If Trump would have come out swinging so to speak about wearing a mask, people would have rejected the instructions simply because Trump was pushing the narrative. So I believe because the democrats were pushing the mask wearing narrative instead, more people were willing to 'assume the position'.

Look at how many times Trump has been a fan of an idea that was previously supported by the left. But now because Trump is in support of that very same idea, they are suddenly rejecting the idea they once supported.

So Trump did everyone a favor by not beating the drums initially on wearing a mask. Plus it gave those of us not in support of mask wearing a bit of wiggle room.

a reply to: StoutBroux

You are certainly right... I would love to see the parallel universe where Trump recommended masks from the beginning. I’m sure there would be many more naked faces walking around... or... masks would be mandatory and still mean Trump had “not done enough” to stop the spread.

a reply to: SuperStudChuck

The stats presented in OP say otherwise.

And any clown can find stats that are complete opposite. Your stats are no more believable than any other.

Anyway..do whatever you want, but don't claim your info is some kind of "gold standard"

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: SuperStudChuck
I don't think anyone is claiming that masks eliminate risk. Only that they reduce risk. So going out with a mask still presents a slight increase in risk, compared with staying in. It's just a matter of degree.

True and there are other risks to consider. People should look into those too before they decide.

Normal people would think all the experts and scientists talking about this virus, they would at least tell people what "masks" would be the best genuine "protection" ?? Anybody got this figured out yet ?? 🤨

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: SuperStudChuck

The stats presented in OP say otherwise.

And any clown can find stats that are complete opposite. Your stats are no more believable than any other.

Anyway..do whatever you want, but don't claim your info is some kind of "gold standard"

Tell me what is wrong with the data in the original post. You would get a few points just for trying since no one else has even tried yet.

At best, your post says the science is not settled, and if so, we certainly shouldn’t make public policy on something so unscientific.

At worst, you advocate using faulty stats to mandate people wear a face diaper and that gives you a sense of superiority. So slow clap for you.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: SuperStudChuck

This again for about the millionth time, a mask helps reduce the chances of the wearer spreading the infection if they are infected, thats it. People are now politicising this for nefarious reasons. It's not a miracle cure, it's to reduce not stop the spread.
Nature.

Mask wearing

Why wearing a mask shouldn't be controversial

Your post might be too nuanced for some people. Some people choose to see life in clear black and white, left and right, us and them. Imagine if you'd used terms like marginal gain or compensatory risk!

And everyone knows internet research at home trumps stuff in Nature.