Scotland - Coronavirus - 5 deaths in a week

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

The plan was initiated years before the fed. Without the Great Depression then you don’t have the economic revolution. Do the math.

Read the plan, so some research then come back to me instead of constant blind dismissal of everything I say. We get it, you’re a sceptic, unless of course it comes to government and mainstream media.

It's not blind dismissal, it's informed dismissal based on an understanding the difference between reality and made up paranoid delusional conspiracy theories.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yet not one source, not one constructive argument to the contrary.

I’m becoming tired of you. Feel free to add some constructive debate, otherwise stop wasting my time if you aren’t even going to read the material.

If I want your opinion I’ll read the BBC or switch to CNN.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Yet not one source, not one constructive argument to the contrary.

I’m becoming tired of you. Feel free to add some constructive debate, otherwise stop wasting my time if you aren’t even going to read the material.

If I want your opinion I’ll read the BBC or switch to CNN.

You are the one making the extraordinary claims its up to you to provide the source.

Nothing you have provided has backed up any of the claims you are making.

a reply to: ScepticScot

So the Great Reset is a paranoid delusion of mine. Holy # I’m actually imagining there’s a global entity of major corporations and national institutions with a plan for socialist reform of society.......... except that’s not a delusion is it? I’ve provided you a direct link confirming this agenda.

www.weforum.org...

What about the previous years agenda?

www.weforum.org...

Bit like when I accurately predicted the case and death numbers for Covid that you attacked as fanciful a few months back.

Or when you introduced yourself to me with a rant and accusations before realising you had confused me with another poster.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I claimed Scotland is currently limiting civil liberty while having only 5 deaths in a week.

Anything to comment on the actual topic of conversation?

Is that a delusion of mine again?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

So the Great Reset is a paranoid delusion of mine. Holy # I’m actually imagining there’s a global entity of major corporations and national institutions with a plan for socialist reform of society.......... except that’s not a delusion is it? I’ve provided you a direct link confirming this agenda.

www.weforum.org...

Bit like when I accurately predicted the case and death numbers for Covid that you attacked as fanciful a few months back.

Or when you introduced yourself to me with a rant and accusations before realising you had confused me with another poster.

Your paranoid delusion is that covid is some mass conspiracy to facilitate anything

Your link is to a forum discussing potential economic reform post covid. It would be extremely remiss of organisations like that not to be discussing it. It's not some big scary red under the bed conspiracy.

Can you show where you have accurately predicted anything?

Its getting stupid.

Personally I believe that sensible precautions can be taken without shutting down the economy and causing so much harm to families who can't get to see each other other. For example, we can wear face masks, we can enforce social distance, we can shield the most at risk and we can limit or even ban visitors into care homes while taking steps to ensure care workers get priority for testing. Lots of sensible easy, low cost initiatives that can be used that can help prevent the spread to the most at risk while minimising the social/economic impact.

This spread in the disease was absolutely inevitable once people got back to work and school. I actually agreed with the first lockdown but I cannot agree with these measures. Its interesting to look at the number of cases as a proportion of tests, we only have 2.8% of tests coming back as possible. The thing is, back in April/May we where really only testing people who where sick and we had 4-5K cases a day with up to 1000 deaths but that was based on a much smaller number of tests. We are now at up to 200K tests per day so of course you're going to identify more cases. Hospital admissions are not anywhere near where they where before.

I personally believe that what's happening now is a game of politics, big Nicola knows that by having a different response than the rest of the UK she can make the argument that we pretty much dealt with the pandemic independently from Westminster and bang the drums of independence. I suspect that Boris has his own political agenda, probably has some opinion polls saying that the public blame pubs so he puts in his stupid 10pm rule. Really though I think that Boris is going to take advantage of the pandemic to distract from Brexit.

Its probably the same the world over, every political group is going to use this pandemic for its own ends. The media don't help, they're quick to report the big scary headline that we could have 50K new cases per day by October but they neglect to mention that hospital admissions are down and deaths are remaining low despite increased cases.

I am fed up with it all.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Yet not one source, not one constructive argument to the contrary.

I’m becoming tired of you. Feel free to add some constructive debate, otherwise stop wasting my time if you aren’t even going to read the material.

If I want your opinion I’ll read the BBC or switch to CNN.

You are the one making the extraordinary claims its up to you to provide the source.

Nothing you have provided has backed up any of the claims you are making.

I think you owe it to the quality of the forums and respect to other members that you don't just keep replying "that's nonsense you're wrong"... It does no favours to debate and you end up writing the same thing over and over again.

Maybe comment on the legitimacy of the links you have been posted or at a push, say why, using examples, you feel the argument you are conveying is correct and the counter incorrect.

Otherwise your text holds no substance other than to further secure your baseless exertions in your own mind.

a reply to: ScepticScot

5 deaths last week yet further lockdown restrictions. That’s the topic of this thread.

Anything to say about that or is it inconvenient to your narrative and intention to cause thread drift?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

I claimed Scotland is currently limiting civil liberty while having only 5 deaths in a week.

Anything to comment on the actual topic of conversation?

Is that a delusion of mine again?

The new rules are based on rising case numbers and the spread of the virus.

Since people don't die within minutes of contracting covid basing policy on deaths would be a pretty stupid thing to do.

a reply to: and14263
Exactly, I’ve been listening to this record on repeat for a while now.

a reply to: ScepticScot

And here I thought rising case numbers were a result of increased testing. Maybe even due to poorly thought out, inconsistent and rash government policy.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

5 deaths last week yet further lockdown restrictions. That’s the topic of this thread.

Anything to say about that or is it inconvenient to your narrative and intention to cause thread drift?

Let me be very clear in saying I 100% agree that these new restrictions are taking it too far but if I may...

I just want to point out that they make these changes not based so much on the number today but rather where the models and experts think we will be in 2-4 weeks time. So the idea is that the experts get together and basically say "This week we have 5 new deaths, in four weeks time if we continue we will have 300 however if we do x, y and z now we project 100 deaths"

Am just pointing out that its not quite as simple as crying about how its only 5 deaths, its more about what is expected.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

5 deaths last week yet further lockdown restrictions. That’s the topic of this thread.

Anything to say about that or is it inconvenient to your narrative and intention to cause thread drift?

Yes I caused thread drift by bringing in a totally off topic link about an economic forum.

No wait that you.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

And here I thought rising case numbers were a result of increased testing. Maybe even due to poorly thought out, inconsistent and rash government policy.

Strange its rising as a % of tests as well then.

What government policy is causing the rise?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You mean the models they openly admit are compete fantasy designed to generate fear in the public in order to justify further restrictions?

www.bbc.co.uk...

“The decision to present the 50,000-cases scenario was discussed carefully in advance I understand.
It was based on cases doubling every week from now until the middle of next month. This was happening at one point at the end of August and start of September.
But it is far from a given that it will continue - in fact even now the trajectory looks to be below that.
They could have referenced the trends Spain and France were on - two countries they mentioned in other parts of the briefing. But they didn't. If they had, this is what it would have looked like.“

“Sir Patrick did point out the 50,000 figure was not a prediction. But it was used in the knowledge it would grab the headlines.
Why? One person close to the decision-making told me it was about influencing behaviour - to try to persuade the public to redouble its efforts.”

a reply to: ScepticScot

I was asked for my reasoning as to why the pandemic was engineered. Unlike you I provided that opinion and sources to back it.

a reply to: ScepticScot

All of them. Are the case numbers rising in Sweden?

a reply to: Grenade

I am in agreement with you that the new restrictions are bollocks I am just trying to explain to you that its not simply a case of basing it off 5 per week but rather its based on an expert opinion of where we will be in a few weeks time if we continue as we currently are.

I also find it funny that you selectively use BBC when it suits your position, at least be consistent.

When you mock another member by saying "if I wan't your opinion I will read BBC".....then a few posts later start posting links to BBC it just makes you look bad.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

They are a government mouthpiece and if they cant even spin the lies effectively I like to highlight their hypocrisy. The sheep tend to believe the BBC so it’s an effective way of finding common ground. Apologies if that’s patronising, I don’t know you well enough to make any assumptions regarding your opinions.