40% of Parents Don’t Want LGBT Lessons for 6-Year-Olds, They Must Be ‘Persuaded’

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ketsuko
To a certain extent, it's part of health. You need to know how reproduction works just like you need to know about things like STDs and how to avoid them and pregnancy and its prevention.

Again... NO.

That is the purpose of Dad's (or Moms, or both) 'the birds and the bees' talk.

Again, if you believe that there is a place for sex ed indoctrination, then there is also a place for religious, political, and every other form of indoctrination.

No, schools should teach the 3 R's, and that is it.

I was friends with this kid in elementary school whose parents made him leave the classroom anytime sex ed was brought up. This made the kid’s life hell. It was a trickle down effect for his brothers and sisters that were younger than him. Once your older brother is the weirdo in the class, you’re automatically labeled a weirdo as well. Then we’d be out during recess and the poor kid would just get ridiculed nonstop. I’m not sure what religion his family practiced, but sex was straight up dirty and evil to them (apparently not to his parents, they had 6 kids). He was scared to even talk about it with me and from what little conversation we did have, it was clear he had ZERO knowledge on the matter at all. We were 13 and 14 at the time.

My wife is an education coordinator for a charter school system. I hear about all the crazy stuff that happens in 73 schools across the US. Kids these days are getting into situations earlier and earlier. Some of these situations have involved kids under 12 and group activities. Then you’ve got crap music like Cardi B’s “WAP”, with such genius lyrics as “keep your pull-out game weak”. This song is being lipsync’d by kids all over the US. I know if I were a parent (thank god I’m not) I’d be damn sure my kid knew exactly what that meant and all the dangers that came along with it. Our own friends were telling us a couple weeks ago that when going through their 12 year old son’s phone, they found that one of his friends was texting porn to him. They’ve got all the parental controls maxed out, so the kid can’t do any searching on his own, but that does nothing for friends sending him pics directly.

Some parents are too uncomfortable bringing it up or don’t think their kid needs to know until they’re older, but that’s only going to leave them to learn from their peers and what they see on social media/TV. All media is flooded with sexual content. A parent can do whatever they want in belief they’re protecting their kid from it, but that all stops the second the kid leaves the house.

The inverse of that is that some parents shouldn’t be teaching their kids a damn thing about it and I’m speaking from personal experience in this case. My mom never got the talk from her parents and did not learn anything about sex in school. She had me when she was 16 and then popped my sister out almost immediately after. She’s not an intelligent person and my father bailed shortly after I was born. She started giving me condoms when I was 8 and it almost felt expected of me to start fooling around right away. Sex was so openly discussed in my house that I look back on it and realize that it was more damaging than educational. Mix in some Howard Stern with that upbringing and I became extremely sexually active by the time I was 12-13. The only positive in any of that was that I was always very cautious and used protection.

So really, how do you navigate all that in today’s world? Kids are getting exposed to sex from every direction. People thought it was over the top in the 90’s but I’d say it’s twice as bad these days as it was 25 years ago. My knee-jerk reaction is that 6 is way too young, but after hearing the stories I have regarding actual incidents, that may not be the case.

It’s really not any different dropping the LGBTQ situation in the context. It’s all already out there.

a reply to: Drucifer

Already out there is not an excuse to simply plunge kids into it though.

It's like the race baiting stuff. It's all out there too, but do you want your kids taught about Critical Race Theory from the time they are 6?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Drucifer

Already out there is not an excuse to simply plunge kids into it though.

It's like the race baiting stuff. It's all out there too, but do you want your kids taught about Critical Race Theory from the time they are 6?

But therein lies the problem, they’re going to get exposed, or plunged into it, regardless. The only way to stop that is to never let your kid leave the house and put all media on lockdown.

While I wouldn’t want my hypothetical kids being taught Critical Race Theory, I’d certainly want them aware of what it was so when it was presented to them they could counter it to the best of their abilities.

Dont you just love how Gays an Lesbos are becoming symonous with Pedophilia, all the while the aboce demands full grown.

Homo means Man, not Boy.

P.S: I am a tad homophobic, dont worry, i get very scared when women get me behind me too. It a reflex when you get looked at like a peice of lean beef, an you ask wth they thinking back there.

Stranger Danger, ya know.

originally posted by: Drucifer

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Drucifer

Already out there is not an excuse to simply plunge kids into it though.

It's like the race baiting stuff. It's all out there too, but do you want your kids taught about Critical Race Theory from the time they are 6?

But therein lies the problem, they’re going to get exposed, or plunged into it, regardless. The only way to stop that is to never let your kid leave the house and put all media on lockdown.

While I wouldn’t want my hypothetical kids being taught Critical Race Theory, I’d certainly want them aware of what it was so when it was presented to them they could counter it to the best of their abilities.

I’m with you. I support awareness.

And if you read (or even care about facts) — “Gender awareness. By age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. This awareness is called gender identity. Kids this age start to understand the difference between boys and girls, and can identify themselves as one or the other. Some people think gender identity is biologically determined and some say it’s a product of a child’s environment. Most likely, it’s a combination of both.” www.rchsd.org...

People that used to live in the fringes of society are now free to live openly. Six is not too young to be aware and accepting of differences in people.

Sexual identity is not sex.

a reply to: Drucifer

Just being exposed is no need to go full-on to beat the punch though.

Oh, he's going to be exposed to cuss words, so I ought to make sure I use every one I know so he's got them under his belt. He's going to see and hear about sex, so his father and I ought to give him a personal demonstration before someone else tells him about it.

There's a point where it's crazy and does more damage than you're trying to head off.

These are children, not mini-adults, and they process like children. Their brains and reasoning capacities won't be fully developed for years on yet, but lets expose them to stuff they aren't fully ready to reason around.

a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

And when exactly does that explanation happen?

Personally — I wish all forms of sex acts had been taught during sex Ed. Thank Zeus for the Internet — that today’s kids have access to full knowledge of what should be natural as a biological being.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

And when exactly does that explanation happen?

Personally — I wish all forms of sex acts had been taught during sex Ed. Thank Zeus for the Internet — that today’s kids have access to full knowledge of what should be natural as a biological being.

Why?

Do kids really *need* to know every single possible thing two (or more) people can do and can call sexual? I suppose we should teach them how to safely have sex with the family dog too.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

And when exactly does that explanation happen?

Personally — I wish all forms of sex acts had been taught during sex Ed. Thank Zeus for the Internet — that today’s kids have access to full knowledge of what should be natural as a biological being.

Why?

Do kids really *need* to know every single possible thing two (or more) people can do and can call sexual? I suppose we should teach them how to safely have sex with the family dog too.

Sexual and the act of sex — are not the same thing.

Oh, yeah — bring in the dog. You forgot to bring in the pedo.

How is it so natural when it sounds like most sex changers aren't even happy when they change over. Maybe identity isn't the problem.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

And when exactly does that explanation happen?

Personally — I wish all forms of sex acts had been taught during sex Ed. Thank Zeus for the Internet — that today’s kids have access to full knowledge of what should be natural as a biological being.

Why?

Do kids really *need* to know every single possible thing two (or more) people can do and can call sexual? I suppose we should teach them how to safely have sex with the family dog too.

Sexual and the act of sex — are not the same thing.

Oh, yeah — bring in the dog. You forgot to bring in the pedo.

You're the one who says you wished you'd been taught about rimjobs.

But this illustrates why it should be the parents' job to teach a lot of this. If you think your 6-year-old needs to be exposed to a rimjob, then that's what you need to teach them about.

I think it's better to wait until puberty and then start with the nuts and bolts and work out from there. The hard core stuff isn't something that needs to be discussed in classrooms unless he goes to college and decides he wants to pay for a class on the topic.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Yeah, at six most can tell the difference between a boy and a girl. That isn't anything new. At that age boys think girls have cooties.

But there's a major difference between discussing that and discussing performing oral on someone's butthole.

And when exactly does that explanation happen?

Personally — I wish all forms of sex acts had been taught during sex Ed. Thank Zeus for the Internet — that today’s kids have access to full knowledge of what should be natural as a biological being.

Why?

Do kids really *need* to know every single possible thing two (or more) people can do and can call sexual? I suppose we should teach them how to safely have sex with the family dog too.

Sexual and the act of sex — are not the same thing.

Oh, yeah — bring in the dog. You forgot to bring in the pedo.

You're the one who says you wished you'd been taught about rimjobs.

But this illustrates why it should be the parents' job to teach a lot of this. If you think your 6-year-old needs to be exposed to a rimjob, then that's what you need to teach them about.

I think it's better to wait until puberty and then start with the nuts and bolts and work out from there. The hard core stuff isn't something that needs to be discussed in classrooms unless he goes to college and decides he wants to pay for a class on the topic.

And at what age did sex Ed classes start?

AGAIN — sexual & gender identity are NOT about having sex.

originally posted by: Mailman
How is it so natural when it sounds like most sex changers aren't even happy when they change over. Maybe identity isn't the problem.

You got factual statistics to back up your “most”?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Drucifer

Just being exposed is no need to go full-on to beat the punch though.

Oh, he's going to be exposed to cuss words, so I ought to make sure I use every one I know so he's got them under his belt. He's going to see and hear about sex, so his father and I ought to give him a personal demonstration before someone else tells him about it.

There's a point where it's crazy and does more damage than you're trying to head off.

These are children, not mini-adults, and they process like children. Their brains and reasoning capacities won't be fully developed for years on yet, but lets expose them to stuff they aren't fully ready to reason around.

I‘m not disagreeing with you and even addressed over-exposure in my initial post, which I experienced in my own life and I believe a result of that over-exposure was that I came out of the gate with guns blazing.

Though I’m not sure how you went from discussing sex to demonstrating it....that’s not even close to anything I said or anything I’ve seen anyone say in this thread. You’re on your own with that one.

There’s a lot of variables and inconsistency between humans that really make the age thing borderline a moot point. One kid might have the mentality of a 15 year old by the time he’s 6 and in the same class is a 6 year old who has the mentality of a 3 year old. So how is the decision made on when to start educating kids when they’re all developing at different times?

I’m a firm believer that if they’re old enough to ask, they’re old enough to know, but even then, kids are going to be asking at entirely different times, then they’ll do what kids do and bring that information to their peers. I certainly don’t think it’s in the best interest to let kids teach each other, nor do I think it’s a good idea to present the information to them well before they can understand it.

Really, there is no one-size-fits-all approach to that topic.

Like I said, I’m just thankful I’m not a parent and have to deal with this stuff. I’d probably never sleep again.

a reply to: Annee

Puberty is biology's way of showing your body is ready for some sexual activities.

So puberty would be a good place to begin the discussion, as it has been.

You seem to be suggesting showing little kids hardcore porn so they are up to date on every possible sexual act.

Ludicrous.

My 10 year old started the school year with one of her male teachers announcing to the class that he was married and took his "husband's" last name, and that this was perfectly fine. Why my 10 year old needs to know this fact about his personal life is beyond me. And why my 10 year old needs to be told by him that this was perfectly fine, when we have instructed her that his chosen lifestyle is abnormal and is in direct violation with our religious beliefs, is also beyond me.
Although I cannot condone or approve of his choices, I am not trying to get him fired or disciplined in any way.
While he is free to live his life as he pleases, he is not free to indoctrinate my daughter into his, in my opinion, debased lifestyle, without me and her mother reinforcing our own morals and values.
If he is going to tell her his lifestyle is right, I am going to inform her that it is wrong.
There is indeed a battle going on every day for the hearts and minds of our children to accept these alternate lifestyles as normal, when they are anything but.
I told my daughter that while we disagree with him, he deserves to be treated with respect and honor. I feel it is a shame that I should have to debrief my kids when they come home from school though.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

A far less screwed up population?

Listen--science says the ability to reason doesn't fully develop until one gets close to 30. 3-0. So you have this "new" section of science that is saying well kids know themselves better than their parents. Which any parent can tell you is utter BS. You have this group pushing for kids to take hormone blockers.

I never watched I am Jazz. But what I am most interest in there is to have someone come back to Jazz and 30 and see where his/her life is currently at. Because I have a feeling in a decade there is going to be this brand new cottage industry. It will make the horrors of conversion therapy look like a Sunday picnic

"Every child is born sexual" Seems like just the thing I would expect a pedo to say.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

Puberty is biology's way of showing your body is ready for some sexual activities.

So puberty would be a good place to begin the discussion, as it has been.

You seem to be suggesting showing little kids hardcore porn so they are up to date on every possible sexual act.

Ludicrous.

Puberty is the body preparing to reproduce.

Lust is a chemical reaction for the purpose of attracting a mate to reproduce.

KNOW that Lust Is NOT Love. No matter how attracted to someone you feel.

Back to sexual/gender identity. Children as young as 3 become aware of gender differences and start forming their sexual identity.

In today’s world I think the act of actual sex (all forms) should start about age 10.

I was very ignorant of the full extent of sex acts, even after I got married. And I was raised in an open free thinking home.

Can’t even imagine the hang ups that come from being raised in a restricted home.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Because the Left is still using the Communist playbook.

www.beliefnet.com...

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.