Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

...If Mellon wants to take his show big……..why not just give it in front of the General Assembly (aka a congress of political delegates from around the world) of the United Nations?

That was done in 1978 when JV (who was only 75 at the time), Hynek and a few others tried to convince the world that Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a documentary (it later became SERPO).






It all comes back to standards of evidence presented.

'Lots of UFO Reports; no UFOs' is not a valid reason to hold a conference at the UN.

Still they managed it in 1978. That's interesting from a sociological perspective.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

...If Mellon wants to take his show big……..why not just give it in front of the General Assembly (aka a congress of political delegates from around the world) of the United Nations?

Too elaborate…

…..”Lee Spiegel took the wheel of the conversation at the beginning, reminiscing with his old pal Jacques about how they both met, and joined forces in 1978 in an attempt to convince the United Nations to create an official, international office in charge of studying UFOs; back when they were both younger, more idealistic… and with darker hair. Ultimately the initiative failed, despite the fact that several countries showed a great deal of interest in the presentation; the United States’ delegation helped to sabotage the proposal, by arguing the UN could not afford to spend any money studying UFOs (ironic, when you consider Spiegel was only asking for an office with a desk, a chair, a file cabinet and a phone; not much more than what the Air Force utilized when they carried out Project Blue Book). The coup against the Prime Minister of Grenada, the country that officially supported the initiative, didn’t help the cause either”……

Perhaps Mellon should initiate a second effort….we are living in different times…

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I'm presuming you are calling for actual research, not to have the UN
fund and support the current and ongoing psychological operatons?

The US would never tolerate that. Whomever backed it would get
overthrown.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I'm presuming you are calling for actual research, not to have the UN
fund and support the current and ongoing psychological operatons?

The US would never tolerate that. Whomever backed it would get
overthrown.

You presume correctly……

To present it to the U.N. Would be mere optics….but optics to a broader audience.

Some think that presenting anything to the U.N. is reaching the pinnacle of world participation. Then often…the world doesn’t participate.

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Looks like I’ve been cut off from posting pictures …. It’s now approaching 72hrs.

Lost access to uploading pics and viewing previously posted pics in the (my) gallery.

They are not deleted, otherwise they would be deleted from my previous posts.

The gallery page is just blank and the drop down function to upload pics does not appear.

Nothing has changed about how I’m normally able to go through the click motions to upload and post. The browser I’m using is the same as always.

Apparently I pissed someone off.

What sucks is there was no warning…even in private messaging.

The pics I Jin up are visual expressions to augment my thoughts.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

it's probably just the failing technology of this website,
and the extreme lack of care it gets.

So I've been watching a number of hours of 'Dark Journalist'.

Daniel L, certainly speaks a bit of truth to power; his observations
about the CIA and UFOlogy are right on the money.

When I got tired of the deception and government games present
in the study of 'top end spiritual experince', I came over to study
UFOs, back in 2013.

Of course I found exactly the same sort of thing at work.

I NEVER WANTED to become so well informed on such matters...
about the societal and governmental deception.

I'd been 'fleeing that'.

But 'that' (the deception) is at the heart of it all.. it's the 99%
of it.. whether that be self-deception or societal & governmental
deception.

"Make a man believe rubbish and you own him for life" some famous
person said.

Anyway..

In regars to DJ, he likes the Cayce/Atlantean stuff, and I don't see
anything there, there with those topics.

But DJ, as I said, does get the Intelligence operatives stuff so well.

I think, where I especially disagree with his stuff...

Is that his 'secret space force' with (apparenlty) 'atlantean tech'
is of course, nothing of the sort,

but rather the 'true end game of deception here', at least since
Sputnik,

is the weaponization of space.. the breaking of international
treaties about putting nuclear material in orbit...

that sort of thing..

I won't be wriing about it much, as I'd become dead rather
quickly, if I got too close to the facts on that.

But in my opinion, that's ultimatley what all this USG-sponsored
state terrorism is all about, that we've been discussing.

Now, turning people into 'UFO fools' has taken some time, and it
hasn't worked as well as the guys from Langley wanted,

but they will never give this up... it's their last play that they
can reasonably do.. they have to be 'all in'.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The Dark Journalist is alright and I agree I don’t like his “ufo file” type articulation too much or his support of Rudolph Steiner and although Steiner had a lot of good in him compared to the Nazis still had a racist doctrine that is antithetical to true spirituality IMO. And he should tell his audience about that.

And he does go a bit too far into the SSP and all that mythology behind it. Give me some evidence of that other than death bed confessions.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Well said.

Theosophy or at least Theosophy-like material had it's origins
in a time when tihings like social darwinism was rampant,
and used as a lame excuse for horrors committed in
world war II.

If you read certain Blavatki/Aracane School books
(I did when young), it's rife with talk of 'root races'
who are superior to the (in so many words) 'inferior
races'.

Really, the entire concept of 'spiritual evolution' is
tainted with old baggage, racism and specism..

From my own training in mythology, supposedly
Plato was pranked with the "PIllars of Hercules"
story of Atlantis by the last high priest of Egypt.

That in fact, 'Atlantis' was simply a cruel joke,
played on Greeks eager for initiatory secrets..

But that was passed on to me like 40 years ago,
and I've never attempted to verify if that is
accurate.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I personally don’t blame Blavatsky for those who distorted her teachings. I do blame the racists out of Nazi Germany for doing that. There have always been doctrines of superiority and God loves us over others or nature makes our race top dog, such as what Judaism has descended into, the favorites of God syndrome

And BTW, I do like DJ for directly challenging Elizondo and TTSA and saying they're a gov op. I agree with that. He also ranks and mocks people like Wilcock and that guy Cory Goode, for that he provides a great service to the UFO community.

Of course, we can’t always agree, and some of his rap I don’t agree with.

I must have missed this earlier in the week because no one was harmed while presenting the award.



Zondo has won a (To the Stars) Academy Award for his millionth podcast appearance in less than a year. What's even more remarkable is that many of them had an audience almost equalling the number of participants on each podcast.

a reply to: mirageman

If he's paid $1 per podcast, then he's a millionaire!

Erika Lukes makes some interesting comments below about the 'fraud' and 'clownshow' that is Skinwalker Ranch.

See 14:20

a reply to: karl 12

Thanks for the heads up Karl. All the boys that surround Bigelow have been supporting a process of acquiring UFO reports from both independent researchers organizations such as MUFON and the FAA and silencing them with a BIgelow kiss (or NDA). No one knows what happens to the reports. So why doesn't Bobby share? More importantly, why do people like Knapp, a supposed investigative journalist, never actually investigate this apparent lack of disclosure from his billionaire chum?

Even the DIA don't seem to have any more than the 38 DIRDS from AAWSAP (or have not released anything at least). Harry Reid also wanted it all covered up within a SAP. Yet he's lauded as a pioneer of disclosure!!!
Someone obviously wanted the clownshow at the ranch covered up and removed from prying eyes, including FOIA.

originally posted by: mirageman
This situation with Zondo's arch nemesis, Garry Reid, and Lil' Tim's report that he had been fired is in a state of confusion

Source : Politico & here

Politico is now reporting that he was.

"...relieved of his duties as director of defense intelligence for counterintelligence, law enforcement and security, according to two people....he continues to work in the Pentagon as of this week

.....

It looks as if Garry Reid has not been fired at all but redeployed elsewhere.

But Zondo has also claimed he personally refused to read Reid [his boss) into what was going on with AATIP because he knew the employee allegedly being harassed by Reid and, "simply put", did not trust him [Reid].

He says as much in this interview here : www.youtube.com...

The issue I have with is that the harrassment allegations were not reported until two years after BF Lue had tendered his resignation/requested 'differed' retirement.

On April 9, 2019, the DoD Office of Inspector General (OIG) received the first of four
anonymous complaints against Mr. Garry P. Reid,... The complaints alleged that Mr. Reid was having a sexual affair with two subordinate Government employees....

Source : IG Investigation into Sec Reid.

The allegations were also dismissed [from the same report]

...We did not substantiate the allegation that Mr. Reid and Employee 2 engaged in a sexual affair or that Mr. Reid’s conduct toward Employee 2 constituted sexual harassment or some other form of misconduct....

● We did not substantiate the allegation that Mr. Reid fostered a negative work environment by failing to treat subordinates with dignity and respect.....

So I don't understand the grounds under which BF Lue could refuse to provide information to his superior.

Either, Reid did not have a "need to know". In which case, the harassment accusations are irrelevant when dealing with AATIP.

Or Zondo had no grounds for withholding information and was thus guilty of insubordination and possible disciplinary action. He couldn't have taken the matter above Reid's head because the complaints were not filed until April 2019!!!

Something is amiss. But his army of sycophants will already be processing the excuses.

a reply to: mirageman

All looks a bit stinky to me MM.

I just pulled this up.


m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

All looks a bit stinky to me MM.

I just pulled this up.


m.youtube.com...

Once disinformation agent second class popped up on the screen,
my stomach rumbled and I had to close it out.

Note that China was instantly held up as a boogey man,
before even Russia is very telling.

In part, there are folks in government who want to stoke
the fires of fake-Ufology ('UFOlogy') to get poorly informed
Americans on the side of escalating the military presence
in space, whether to 'fight off aliens' or 'the chinese'.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Once disinformation agent second class popped up on the screen, my stomach rumbled and I had to close it out...

Yes, Kev. He's not even very good at it.



However, if you get a tattoo like this one then at least you will be able to tell him from your elbow.

In part, there are folks in government who want to stoke the fires of fake-Ufology ('UFOlogy') to get poorly informed Americans on the side of escalating the military presence in space, whether to 'fight off aliens' or 'the chinese'.

America already spends more than the rest of the developed world on 'defence'. Perhaps that's by design.

If even 10% of that was spent on education instead, then maybe there wouldn't be so many low brow bearded ufotainers working for the intelligence community, preaching to the masses of poorly educated viewers.

Some show on the Sci-Fi channel called Black Files Declassified did a profile on ATTIP, and all throughout it never mentioned AAWSAP as the actual government program granted 22million to operate.
It was disinformation in the flesh on national TV operating as if the public is brain dead.

www.sciencechannel.com...

This ex-CIA agent went around interviewing the usual suspects: Zondo, Nick Pope, the Nimitz automatons, and George sleepy Knapp, and not one of them told this knucklehead the truth or corrected him always using ATTIP instead of AAWSAP. This is not just an issue of semantics since we know ATTIP is a total fraud and had no government backing or money to operate, yet these so-called documentary programs like this go around pretending to be exposing secrets. Pope actually half-corrected him by referring to the 38 DIRDs produced by AAWSAP, which had absolutely nothing to do with the alleged head of ATTIP, Elizondo.

It’s unbelievable how they got away with this. As even when you google AAWSAP you get ATTIP from WIKI.

It was almost comical watching this guy supposedly exposing black files and not even referencing the actual program behind these files: AAWSAP NOT ATTIP.

I'm starting to think all this may be an attempt to see how jack-ass stupid the public is.