Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

Although the orchestrated objective reduction model fell out of favour - it is noteworthy how perfectly this seems to fit in a scenario where having a localised energetic, none linear resonating field (created by pumping exotic matter/condensate as per the Pais/Sheehy/Puthoff/Davis/Justice accord on how to make a spaceship) might cause interference.

Speaking of consciousness where is Levenda and DeLonge’s third book, did they cancel it?

Sal Pais breaks cover on ToE:


Only just started watching but so far so good....seems to be a real person, wears a tie dye t-shirt under his overshirt, has a sense of humour in terms of "Pais Effect" sounding stupid.

Launches straight into maxwell equations, quaternions and poynting vectors.

ETA:Wow- 27.26 mins in....eludes to a classified means of achieving high energy densities in plasma.

a reply to: Jukiodone

It's all a bit over my head and so I didn't watch the majority. I got the impression he's talking a lot of theory. About things that are possible but not necessarily probable in the real world. Not any time soon.

a reply to: mirageman

Correct. It was a good interview. Pais is certainly a nice guy and personable. But you'll also notice that at all parts of the interview he stated on paper this should work...IF we can produce energy levels high enough to transcend the schwinger limit and essentially shatter the time space metric. He made it clear he's never tried nor attempted to build anything that can do so.

Even with classified breakthroughs in plasma (he talks about non linear mediums a lot and plasma...i recall someone else here at ats talking about non linear mediums and plasma for almost a decade now. Cant remember his name but i remember he played a musical instrument) its extremely unlikely anybody is going to produce energy levels that high anytime soon.

Besides, neither of the two methods on how those "UAPs" do their thing work on the pais principle.

The pais patents went through not because they work as advertised, but because items in the description are similar to other things that do exist although they perform very different functions not nearly as exciting nor exotic or even related to "UAP. "

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I think Pais could have been subtly declaring his principle is in fact a stalking horse for the "real" stuff.
"Secret sauce" - (lean to camera and wide grin).
Something about a classified technology which does allow engineer-able high energy densities .....mentions BEC but wont say the S word amongst his vivid descriptions of "self reinforcing waves".

Re: Schwinger.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Reminded me of this (ominously prescient) tale.

Here are the DIRDs from AAWSAP

Courtesy of Black Vault


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The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) is connected to the rumored “Pentagon UFO Study” known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). That exact connection and relationship is still unknown, as there are varying explanations depending on the party involved.

Document Archive
Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs)
According to Dr. Eric Davis, who was interviewed on the Coast to Coast AM radio show on January 28, 2018, he confirmed that while working for Bigelow Aerospace / BAASS, they created 38 of these “Defense Intelligence Reference Documents” or reports under AAWSAP. Also according to Dr. Davis, these papers that were submitted were about various topics, including (but not limited to) warp drives, propulsion systems, etc.

Here is a introductory snapshot at two of the ufo-related relevant parts:

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Wormhole
Essentially,. the wormhole involves connecting two potentially distant regions of space by a topological shortcut. Theoretically, one would enter the wormhole and instantaneously be transported to the exit located in a distant region of space. Although no observational evidence of wormholes exists, theoretically they can exist as a valid solution to general relativity.

Warp Drive
The warp drive-the main focus this paper-involves local manipulation of the fabric of space in the immediate vicinity of a spacecraft. The basic idea is to create an asymmetric bubble of space that is contracting in front of the spacecraft while expanding behind it. Using this form of locomotion, the spacecraft remains stationary inside this '-'warp bubble," and the movement of space itself facilitates the relative motion of the spacecraft. The most attractive feature of the warp drive is that the theory of relativity places no known restrictions on the motion of space itself, thus allowing for a convenient circumvention of the speed of light barrier.

it's a lot of technical material here

Good luck to those who want to have at it

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
Here are the DIRDs from AAWSAP

Courtesy of Black Vault

link


The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) is connected to the rumored “Pentagon UFO Study” known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). That exact connection and relationship is still unknown, as there are varying explanations depending on the party involved.



Document Archive
Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs)
According to Dr. Eric Davis, who was interviewed on the Coast to Coast AM radio show on January 28, 2018, he confirmed that while working for Bigelow Aerospace / BAASS, they created 38 of these “Defense Intelligence Reference Documents” or reports under AAWSAP. Also according to Dr. Davis, these papers that were submitted were about various topics, including (but not limited to) warp drives, propulsion systems, etc.

Now here's a thing. Maybe everyone missed it, or had just forgotten it? But two of those documents have been public for over four years.

But this document : Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions along with another Traversable Wormholes Stargates and Negative Energy. also appeared on the web ,the same day the NYT, WaPO and Politico went to press with their 'Pentagon Studied UFOs' stories in December 2017.

That was a surprise. But it's the who, why and when it was leaked here on the Sphere Being Alliance Website that remain unanswered.

It's just too 'Goode' to be true if you ask me.

All of this stuff BTW, what does it have to do with ufos?
I don’t see anything relative to ufo research. Maybe, other than the wormhole Warp drive fantasy extrapolation relating to speedier than light travel
So AAWSAP wasn’t about ufos, then where does that leave AATIP?


This quote from the BV is the deal

The Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) is connected to the rumored “Pentagon UFO Study” known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). That exact connection and relationship is still unknown, as there are varying explanations depending on the party involved.

Bottom line we’re still in the dark about these two programs, their true relationship, and the 22 million.
So, this is all supposed to have started with a spooky trip to Skinwalker, and ends with these sci-fi tech reports where BTW they don’t even tell us who wrote these things! Under author, there are no names.

This thread has exposed this utter nonsense.

a reply to: mirageman

Of course, we expected this. These very technical totally--irrelevant to ufology--reports are indeed technically impressive maybe, but so what. What exactly did the US gain from these scientific esoteric reports, let alone anything having to do with the ufological phenomenon.

And mm, you know what’s strange, when you google AAWSAP you don’t get any wiki page but they show you an AATIP wiki page. You do get the AAWSAP page but no wiki page. What's that all about?

I guess these characters think were really stupid and a lot of people are stupid to fall for this con.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

All of this stuff BTW, what does it have to do with ufos? I don’t see anything relative to ufo research.

No, the AAWSAP tender and contract didn't mention UFOs and when the three Navy videos were requested for 'internal 'release' by Zondo he clearly called them "UAV, Balloons and UAS" (which I take as Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, Balloons and Unmanned Aircraft System). Not UFOs or UAPs.

So AAWSAP wasn’t about ufos, then where does that leave AATIP?

But folks will still tell you it was about UFOs. It's just in the Pentagon you can't use the acronym. That there are some kind of unwritten secret rules, terminology and processes that operate behind closed doors for those that 'know' and somehow evade those that don't know. All while keeping the tightest lockdown on UFO information, not just in America, but across the whole planet.While stopping Snowden, Assange and many others leaking volumes of secrets proved beyond America's capabilities,

Bottom line we’re still in the dark about these two programs, their true relationship, and the 22 million. So, this is all supposed to have started with a spooky trip to Skinwalker, and ends with these sci-fi tech reports....

Yep, A ranch where nothing any more spooky than any other ranch was ever reported until the elusive Shermans turned up in the mid 90s and one where Bigelow's well qualified team could find nothing of real substance beyond anecdotal stories.By 2001 they had given up, packed in and abandoned it. But suddenly Rocket man Jim decides he wants to go take a look 5 or 6 years later. Miraculously on the day he visits he has a vision of the cover of Tubular Bells which he decides to keep to himself....

...they don’t even tell us who wrote these things! Under author, there are no names.

Well whoever redacts the names has already missed the boat. We know from this leaked list who wrote the papers. They are believed to cost the DoD around $12k each for a bunch of speculative junk. Probably copy and pasted from previous papers written by these people. I found at least one similar paper originally written in the early 2000s by the same author. It's somewhere in one of the previous threads to this. So not bad work if you can get it!

a reply to: mirageman

Yeah, I think you or someone had mentioned this was a favor from senator Reid to a contributor, or I’m saying it now.
Sleazy stuff. And a bodyguard of lies and distortions surrounds this whole affair.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Excellent post. Ok so i stand corrected on schwing.

Like i said the patents were granted because the components in the description can be used to do something that already exists not associated with uaps, and maybe they dont want joe public building anything like it and then selling it. And if they think its for fanciful ufos then all the better.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

you guys should see what's been cooking away here in Rochester.

best place to hid secret projects are in academic circles

a reply to: BASSPLYR

You might be right.
Pais mentioned "nefarious parties".
He then went on to answer the next question with subjective reasoning to argue his actions protect the Navy from "companies which make up the the MIC".

Joining the dots (bearing in mind Pais referenced "Matter waves" in his post interview BEC clarification) one might argue this provides further validation of the above theory:
The catalyst for TTSA/The Patents could have been some/one of the MIC firms trying to take "ownership" of something already used in classified scenarios.

Someone on Reddit even suggested LM's LENR tech had a few crossovers and was promoted heavily from 2014 - only to quickly disappear in 2016 (the year before TTSA and patents).

I haven't had time to verify that last bit beyond the dates...which do sort of check out.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Youre getting good juki. Wish the rest of the ufo community had the same skill set you do. However, i sent you a pm.

There's this concept in both shamanism and in modern technological
pseudo-'ufology'.

Fake it until you can make it.

It's an interesting dynamic.

JV and I discussed it.

In some ways it's like cargo cults.

Wave around a wooden plane characterure, and hope that it will
'summon the real deal'.

Really, all those 'pais effect' or other technologies, where the failed
technology itself acts as a focus for the fervent belief, so that
sometimes, for the creator only, the 'effect works'. It's rather like
'cold fusion' and other non-repeatable 'technologies'.

It's utterly fascinating, using 'technology' as a shamanic fetish.

Kev

a reply to: BASSPLYR

a team from my old school made a room temp super conductor

and an off shoot of that team is almost into visible wavelength of red meta materials that can bend all the red light around it

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Joining the dots (bearing in mind Pais referenced "Matter waves" in his post interview BEC clarification) one might argue this provides further validation of the above theory:
The catalyst for TTSA/The Patents could have been some/one of the MIC firms trying to take "ownership" of something already used in classified scenarios.

I'm not sure why you wrote TTSA/The patents, with a slash between them, since they are two different things.

I don't see how TTSA would be involved in the hypothesized scenario.

If I try to stretch my imagination, I can envision some alternate hypotheses for the patents, but I still think this scenario seems the most likely for those, especially for the “Craft Using An Inertial Mass Reduction Device” patent that was rejected by the patent office, but was finally approved after special pleading from the Navy that they really needed it because foreign adversaries were working on it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As for the military, well some of their more esoteric projects are nothing more than distractions for nations outside the US sphere of influence anyway and nothing more than perception management operations.

Some thoughts I have on the topic, but I can't say if the people in charge of the military think the same way.

There are such things as secret patents.
If you have a game-changing patent, that will give you a big edge with a technology that your adversary could use against you, wouldn't you want it to be a secret? Why make it public? A public patent would necessarily give away enough clues to help adversaries in ways that would be disadvantageous, so such a strategy makes no sense.

The image above is a strategy that makes much more sense, to get adversaries working on things that waste their resources. So even setting all the technical stuff aside (which is pretty sketchy if you ask most physicists), just the strategic implications of what you would do with a superior technology suggest it makes more sense to keep those advantages a secret, which means putting them in a public patent wouldn't make sense.

Docs Show Navy Got 'UFO' Patent Granted By Warning Of Similar Chinese Tech Advances

The application was initially rejected by Patent Examiner Philip Bonzell on the grounds that "there is no such thing as a 'repulsive EM energy field,'" and that "when referring to the specifications as to ascertain about the microwave emitters needed in this system it is seen that for a high energy electromagnetic field to polarize a quantum vacuum as claimed it would take 10^9 [T]eslas and 10^18 V/m." That's roughly the equivalent to the magnetic strength generated by most magnetars and more electricity than what is produced by nuclear reactors.

The patent examiner was right that we can't generate magnetar strength magnetic fields on earth, and even if we could, they are completely fatal to humans and a magnetar-type magnetic field would probably kill every living thing on the entire planet.

Would a magnetar destroy earth?

The closest magnetar from Earth lies about 50,000 light-years away in the constellation Sagittarius. According to a new video released by the YouTube channel What If, [such distant] magnetars are relatively harmless, but if one gets too close to Earth, it could destroy the entire planet and all life on it.

What If a Magnetar Entered Our Solar System?


If Pais was really conducting experiments that could potentially destroy all life on Earth, somebody should probably stop him. However I don't think he can generate such magnetic fields even with room temperature superconductors, not in our lifetimes. And if the experiment to make such fields ever succeeds maybe 100 years from now, I hope the Mars colony is already established so humans might survive somewhere, if all life on Earth is destroyed by some experiments making insanely strong magnetic fields.

But I guess it's a good idea people keep hypothesizing the Pais patents really represent some true technology...as long as China believes that, they might stay busy searching for that tech, instead of something that could really be useful. (Or it could be bad if they make a magnetar strength magnetic field in their experiments? But if it wasn't quite as strong as a magnetar, that might only destroy all life in and near China, and the Americas might be spared).